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Post by bihvojska on Feb 23, 2009 15:14:36 GMT -5
the migs arent bad, there one of my oldest and favorite types of jets but if were offered the euro fighter or the gripen, which both jets are better then the mig, y not get them...
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Feb 23, 2009 15:27:57 GMT -5
^ Maybe because they are damn expensive? And that bosnia should spend their money on better things than fighterplanes? Lol there aint gonna be any planes anyway
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Post by whateva on Feb 23, 2009 17:51:59 GMT -5
the migs arent bad, there one of my oldest and favorite types of jets but if were offered the euro fighter or the gripen, which both jets are better then the mig, y not get them... To put it in perspective Saudi Arabia signed a contract with UK to purchase 72 Euro Fighters and the deal is worth about 10 billion British pounds which equals about 14.5 billion us dollars. That means that to purchase single eurofighter, train the pilots get the weapons and train the maintenance crews for it you need about 202 million dollars. Gripen is lot cheaper but it is not better than newer block F-16 that we could get for lot less.
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Post by manijak on Feb 23, 2009 17:55:03 GMT -5
Since the military is under the country, is everything tied down together?
If a war happened, would there be federation and RS units or is everything totally combined?
Like is the air force combined?
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Post by whateva on Feb 23, 2009 18:09:06 GMT -5
Yeah Air force is under army command since it consists mostly of transport helicopter fleet that is used by the army. However if the war broke out right now army would fall appart 100%. Bosniak and Croat components kept the weapons that they had from previous federation army while Serbs kept VRS weapons. In short those Aircraft that they want to sell so that they can purchase 6-8 new fighter jets are for the most part in Serb hands but the money from the sale would go to OSBiH. If they get 8 of them I would guess 4 would be based in Tuzla or Mostar while 4 would be based in Banjaluka.
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Post by tito on Feb 23, 2009 19:00:57 GMT -5
Since the military is under the country, is everything tied down together? If a war happened, would there be federation and RS units or is everything totally combined? Like is the air force combined? Everything is combined into one army but the 3 infantry brigades still get to carry on the "traditions" of the 3 former armies. So depending on who starts war on who everyone should be able to have at least that one infantry brigade which cant make that much of a difference by it self but I guess it has access to some of the small arms. If they get 8 of them I would guess 4 would be based in Tuzla or Mostar while 4 would be based in Banjaluka. I think the OSBiH rule is to have a 2/3 of "everything" in FBiH.
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Post by MiG on Feb 23, 2009 23:26:52 GMT -5
You think that having 6-8 F-16's will do any good?
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Post by whateva on Feb 24, 2009 0:35:55 GMT -5
More good than no fighter jets at all. I am all for it but Eurofighters are eliminated from discussion right from the start for obvious reasons.
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Post by MiG on Feb 24, 2009 1:51:48 GMT -5
So you would rather have 6-8 Fighter jets, than at the same price, get an integrated Air Defense System? Why? Just to say BiH has a regiment of Aircraft?
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Post by whateva on Feb 24, 2009 1:54:24 GMT -5
Why not get both? Its not like the choice is Integrated air defense system or 6-8 fighter airplanes. The choice is no fighters or 6-8 fighters, and 6-8 fighters is better than none.
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Post by MiG on Feb 24, 2009 17:26:36 GMT -5
But what would you do in the case of BiH? Would you take that money and put it towards reducing your national debt, or arm up? It seems to me that subconsciously, everyone is preparing for a war. This isn't like BiH had an Air Arm before, it's that it's planning to acquire one. Or maybe they're just trying to put Željava Air Base to good use.
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Post by tito on Feb 24, 2009 17:32:51 GMT -5
It seems to me that subconsciously, everyone is preparing for a war. Yes that’s the price everyone pays when joining NATO.
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Post by MiG on Feb 24, 2009 18:32:03 GMT -5
Really? Did Slovenia? Or did Hungary? Or any of the former Eastern Bloc nations?
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Post by tito on Feb 24, 2009 18:38:57 GMT -5
Really? Did Slovenia? Or did Hungary? Or any of the former Eastern Bloc nations? Naturally, war is part of life and no one who joins NATO should expect to be left out.
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Post by MiG on Feb 24, 2009 18:47:41 GMT -5
Right, but what I'm asking is if any of the nations above actually acquired larger amounts of forces, or opened any new branches in their military, or simply replaced their current (at the time) operational equipment with new equipment. From what I've read, in the past 18 years, ARBiH/HVO and now OSBiH do not have any flight time experience with jets. It takes 5 years to prepare a military pilot, which takes time, manpower, and finances (Alone, the pilot, not the aircraft or its prep crews); and then it takes a year or even two, to properly train him in basic flight and fight tactics. Then not to mention that it takes money to keep the aircraft airworthy, and keep it in the skies. Which is also constant training for the pilot, and you will always need another pilot to replace the one you have, in case anything happens to the original.
But to train a pilot you need trainers (Aircraft to train on), because lets face it, you won't give an F-16/JAS-19 for a joyride, to someone who has no clue what they're doing, and all they know is what they've gathered from a textbook. But lets say the US is generous enough to let you train on their equipment, and even with that, you need to pay for all the costs of the pilot living there. Not even to mention the costs of insuring the aircraft in case something happens, and the fuel expenses you have to give out. Dude, an Air Force is money, which is something OSBiH is lacking in. Do you know, just to keep up with the regional Armed Forces (Of Croatia and Serbia), BiH spends twice, nearing three times, as much on its Armed Forces just to keep up.
I have one question. Where will the money come from?
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Post by tito on Feb 24, 2009 19:17:25 GMT -5
Necemo vas bombardovati bez velike nuzde, zato nemoj sad tu plakati.
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Post by Zvone on Feb 24, 2009 20:00:18 GMT -5
Ajme budale...
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Post by MiG on Feb 24, 2009 22:48:58 GMT -5
Necemo vas bombardovati bez velike nuzde, zato nemoj sad tu plakati. Haha, prvo je fazon kupit avijone majstore. Nemas pojma kolko kosta, a kamo li da nekog mogu bombardovat..
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Feb 25, 2009 3:53:33 GMT -5
Necemo vas bombardovati bez velike nuzde, zato nemoj sad tu plakati. Haha, prvo je fazon kupit avijone majstore. Nemas pojma kolko kosta, a kamo li da nekog mogu bombardovat.. Turska ce to da pokloni ;D
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Post by karabin on Feb 25, 2009 5:21:12 GMT -5
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