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Post by markosijekira on Dec 27, 2008 1:07:33 GMT -5
Whats with you Croats from the ausland saying it's not Balkan ;D Anybody who visists villages in Dalmatia or Primorije can see how Balkan those place are. Balkan does not mean it has to scream of Turkish influance. True Zagorje and Slavonija are more Central, like Hungary or Austria, but thats the nature of it, Croatia is like Serbia in that regard. Vojvodina is also more Central European and lightyears away from southern Serbia, and Romanian Walachia may be north of the Donau, but culturaly it is heavily Balkan. Im not from Slavonija and I'm not some Purger from Zagreb, so im not going to pretend I'm not Balkan, and I'm not goint to pretend i'm Meditarienian, because it sounds more civilized then Balkan, but alas we could scream with all our might at the west europeans that we are central or meditareanian, but they will still call us stupid balkan south slavs, while the venomus Sloveens laugh, the bastards!
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2008 1:26:05 GMT -5
^^ its just some croats who want to deny anything that relates to balkan, because croats have been struggling to maintain their identity through 2 yugoslavia's, especially in the first yugoslavia where serbs tried to aggressively assmilate croats into serbs. also when croatia broke off from yugoslavia, the world was against it, and tried to tell croats that we are just the same people as serbs. because of these things, some croats try to proove that they are different to serbs in every way possible, so they deny associating in any way with the word balkan. they want to try to proove their culture is all central european and mediteranean only, denying the strikingly balkan culture of areas of croatia, so they can tell everybody that they are different.
yes, i believe croats and serbs are different peoples, but we are also similar in alot of ways aswell. culturally, linguistically, geographically we are similar to serbs. but we are still a separate people from serbs.
some croats want to deny reality to prove to others that they are soooo different, lol. its quite silly.
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 27, 2008 1:41:17 GMT -5
"yes, i believe croats and serbs are different peoples, but we are also similar in alot of ways aswell. culturally, linguistically, geographically we are similar to serbs. but we are still a separate people from serbs. some croats want to deny reality to prove to others that they are soooo different, lol. its quite silly. " ^ I Agree! I think with time all this shit talk will calm down. Austrians don't have to scream out of their lounges to make sure people know they are not German, one visit to a small town In Austria is all I needed to figure out they are nothing like Germans from Germany. Anyone who thinks Austrains are just like Germans from Germany needs to spend some time in Austria
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Post by karabin on Dec 27, 2008 1:44:54 GMT -5
I probably live in a better house than you do. As a matter of fact there is 90% chance that i am richer than you. Lol what a loser. Sounds like some of those primitive balkan ppl who lived on a tree in their home country and now that they came to the West they have to have 5 story house, 3 cars, and like most expensive furniture whilst they work 24/7 in a bucket making factory where they get treated like shit but to them it still worth it coz they think they are "rich". This clown has seriously beaten Pickola. Oh no me so hurt now. Oh nooooo! I think hands down we all will agree that Albanians are the cancer of Europe. As I said go to any European country and ask what they think about Albanians, you will be plagued with negative opinions. In the meantime have some more of a read about Albanian pederasty en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_pederasty
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Post by servus on Dec 27, 2008 1:47:16 GMT -5
^ lol. highduke reincarniated
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Post by SKORIC on Dec 27, 2008 3:41:08 GMT -5
lol at albo's thinking they have some superiority over balkan slavs.
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2008 4:59:16 GMT -5
map of balkan by mentality the balkan mentality can be described as,..... * loud type of people. * very welcoming and friendly people, but get easily upset. * mucho type of people * hot tempered & hot blooded * aggressive when provoked or offended. * swear alot * generally lazy people, who like to do things the easy way, and cut corners. * very loyal people to have as friends. will back their friends up in fights * people with courage, are brave. never back down from a fight. * generally a happy people, who have a carefree state of mind * know how to party and have a good time. * are cool people to hang around with. * family orientated people * in their villages, nobody is a stranger. everybody is treated like extended family. * when they celebrate weddings, birthdays, baptisms, they like to throw big parties, and invite their whole village. * very passionate about soccer, and are the most vocal fans, even when their team is losing. * are a sharing type of people. will buy rounds of drinks for their friends and even strangers. i cant think of any more right now, but i'm sure others can add to it. ----------------------------- slovenia is not considered balkan by mentality at all. they are german & austrian by mentality. other countries who would fall under that group are swiss, czechs, and ofcourse austria and germany. hungary would be grouped together with slovakia and poland. italy has its own unique mentality, and i would group malta and corsica with them aswell. turkey i would not consider balkan in mentality at all. the balkan mentality is definately european in nature. this similar mentality amongst southeast europeans existed before turks arrival. it has nothing to do with ottoman empire, or turks. this is completely foreign to them.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 27, 2008 5:30:37 GMT -5
By your definition I think most Italians I have met fit into that category also :-)
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2008 5:44:20 GMT -5
now compare the mentality of the balkans with the german mentality of slovenia,.........
* quiet people * dull and boring people * are pus.sies and cowards * stuck up and rude. * keep to themselves * lock themselves in their houses, and dont even know their own neighbors * are unhappy/depressed people * are not family orientated * work too hard * play very little * keep to themselves * look down on eastern europeans, especially balkanci * are the most intolerant of other peoples or religions * selfish * they buy their own drinks and never buy drinks for others.
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its like the complete opposite to to the balkan mentality.
literally, the border between slovenia and croatia, is the border between the 2 different mentalities.
i cant relate to slovenians in any type of way. they might aswell be in another continent.
croats and slovenes are just too totally different minded peoples.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 27, 2008 6:13:15 GMT -5
Yes but this is what you said, so how can we have 2 totally different mentalities side by side, but sill being "European". And what defines a general European mentality, if all countries are different? There is no common mentality, just like the countries in the Balkans are all different. Just like the Bosnian and Croatian mentality are totally different. But I know what you mean about Slovenes, and to certain extent Austrians the same, though it's a great place.
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2008 6:32:29 GMT -5
^^ 2 different mentalities are side by side, because 2 different peoples have 2 different mentalities. croats live among croats in northwestern croatia, and slovenes live among slovenes in southeastern slovenia. croats and slovenes might be in close proximity to each other , but thats about it. its the peoples as whole that are different to each other in mentality. there is no general european mentality, but just cultural attributes which can be linked among all europeans. the mentality of croats and the rest of the peoples in the balkans is very similar. ofcourse there are slight variations, but generationally more or less the same.
i dont doubt the beauty of slovenia and austria. they are definately beautiful countries naturewise and architecturewise.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 27, 2008 7:20:26 GMT -5
^^^Cultural attributes yes, but not mentality as you stated before...
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2008 7:24:09 GMT -5
i never said that europeans are all the same by mentality, so i dont know what you're trying to say.....
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 27, 2008 7:26:03 GMT -5
^^^I'll quote you again :-)
Whatever I get what you are trying to say, nature, culture...maybe mentality.... :-)
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Post by tyson on Dec 27, 2008 7:55:25 GMT -5
what i meant by that is that it is among europeans of southeast europe, and turks mentality is similar to those of arabs.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 27, 2008 19:56:46 GMT -5
^^^Ah the Turks, well it depends, I know many and they are very open; far from Arab like and have been to Turkey and have seen same. Oh nice place, want to go again!
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 27, 2008 23:30:10 GMT -5
"Ah the Turks, well it depends, I know many and they are very open; far from Arab like and have been to Turkey and have seen same. Oh nice place, want to go again! "
eek, have you ever met turks in Germany? Nothing open about them, I lived in a area of Berlin (Kreuzberg) that was %70 Turkish, food was great but otherwise they could be a real pain in dem arsch, I think all the fundamentalist turks leave Turkey, I dont think they would even let woman over there cover up in state schools
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Post by meltdown711 on Dec 27, 2008 23:35:04 GMT -5
Its funny to see the diff. Here in America the Turks who attend my school are all urban and wealthy (they come from there). The end result is that almost all of them are about as religious as your average European and because of the threat of the Islamist parties, many of them have an open detestation of Islam. Some are even hostile towards the Anatolian villagers, which are the ones you ran into in Berlin. I know one who eventually hopes to go back to her native country which originally was some ex-Yugoslav country, I believe Macedonia.
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Post by markosijekira on Dec 27, 2008 23:41:35 GMT -5
Yep, mostly peasants from southern and eastern Anatolia in Berlin. Interestingly enough I was getting along quite well with the Turkish Kurds at my school, who seemed very much more open about western ideas and such.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Dec 28, 2008 0:18:53 GMT -5
^^^It depends on the Turks, yeah the ones in Germany are backward from what I saw, but many I have met in Australia and Turkey are not very religious at all...Just depends who you meet.
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