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Post by ulf on Jun 16, 2011 11:26:26 GMT -5
Concerning architecture... modern Belgrade is basically built on Italian/Byzantinian model(well, I mean Belgrade up to 1941, this style was called "Serb-Byzatine architecture school"). Music - I won't even spend a word here except, its completely the same just different language. Now tradition and lifestyle I don't know. Some examples of this "Serb-byzantine style":
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Post by brennusduxgallorum on Jun 16, 2011 11:39:48 GMT -5
Concerning architecture... modern Belgrade is basically built on Italian/Byzantinian model(well, I mean Belgrade up to 1941, this style was called "Serb-Byzatine architecture school"). Music - I won't even spend a word here except, its completely the same just different language. Now tradition and lifestyle I don't know. Some examples of this "Serb-byzantine style": balkanian architecture is possibly similar to southern european, but music is a little different.if your opinion is different (about music) tell me the reason. anyway although our culture is a little different from balkanians, our "soul" is closer to them
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Post by terroreign on Jun 16, 2011 13:33:29 GMT -5
brennu slovenia and moldava are definitely not culturally balkans. slovenians acquire most of their "culture" from the austro-hungarian and moravian empires and are central european culturally. moldavans is all USSR and russian empire, they are as foreign to the balkans culturally as the spanish.
of course croatia is culturally, geographically and everything balkan. i mean they're serbs themselves, they can't fight their past present and future.
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Post by brennusduxgallorum on Jun 16, 2011 13:53:42 GMT -5
brennu slovenia and moldava are definitely not culturally balkans. slovenians acquire most of their "culture" from the austro-hungarian and moravian empires and are central european culturally. moldavans is all USSR and russian empire, they are as foreign to the balkans culturally as the spanish. of course croatia is culturally, geographically and everything balkan. i mean they're serbs themselves, they can't fight their past present and future. then we have to reconsider what is central europe. Culturally southern europe:
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Post by terroreign on Jun 16, 2011 14:44:12 GMT -5
brennu slovenia and moldava are definitely not culturally balkans. slovenians acquire most of their "culture" from the austro-hungarian and moravian empires and are central european culturally. moldavans is all USSR and russian empire, they are as foreign to the balkans culturally as the spanish. of course croatia is culturally, geographically and everything balkan. i mean they're serbs themselves, they can't fight their past present and future. then we have to reconsider what is central europe. To me, 'central european culture' is based in the historical 'holy roman empire' and germanic nucleus; so germany, belgium, hungary, austria, czechloslovakia/bohemia, slovenia & switzerland, that to me represents one definable "central european" culture. "southern european" or "mediterranean culture", i don't consider croatia nor serbia to be a part of. it to me is a product of the medieval autonomous trading communes, highly urbanized, and thus Venetian culture would have more in common with athenians, than they do with people from the Balkans. a few cities on the adriatic coast definitely fall within the confines of this culture on a superficial level; besides the architecture and physical appearance, the people have a different mindset. balkan culture, is much more of a mountain-based, village-oriented, and nomadic-like culture. a culture where farms are under-appreciated, and urban density feels foreign, balkan culture is distinct in europe however probably finds most in common with caucasus culture.
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Post by paja on Jun 16, 2011 15:47:14 GMT -5
This is coming from a Serb...STFU.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 7:18:35 GMT -5
This is coming from a Serb...STFU. Hey no worries , bro. When some Serbs go off on this line of thinking it just makes me laugh. Are they so pathetic they have to claim 'others' because they are dissatisfied with what they already have. Surely that can't be the case can it? Anyway Croatia was and is a crossroads between the Balkans and Central and Southern Europe. Our culture is a hybrid of Austrian , Italian , Illyro-Dalmatian , Slav , and Turkish. We are Balkan but not just Balkan.
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Post by uz on Jun 17, 2011 16:34:28 GMT -5
^ No one in the Balkans is "just" Balkan. Whoever doesn't agree with this and tries to rebuddle me, don't bother I'm not going to respond. Ps. Croats are not just part-Slav, they are part Serb.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:30:04 GMT -5
^ No one in the Balkans is "just" Balkan. Whoever doesn't agree with this and tries to rebuddle me, don't bother I'm not going to respond. Ps. Croats are not just part-Slav, they are part Serb. You know , its flattering , its damn flattering to be wished to be 'a Serb' by so many Serbians . It's like we or I must exhibit some quality they would love to see in their own people. That or they want our Adriatic lol. Whatevs , I'm not sharing my house on the Jadran with you unless ur nice . And the Balkan thing , many of us percieve Balkan as another way of saying 'Turkish.' It's even a Turkish word. I would argue that the 'medieval Balkans' survived only in Croatia the rest was Turkofied. Baklava , Oriental sounding folk music , Islam , Turkisms are all Balkan , its left over cultural spillover from living in the Ottoman Empire for five centuries. So yes a portion of Croats and Croatia was part of this but this is only one element of our culture , not the whole thing or 90% of it like for our istocni susjedi
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Post by uz on Jun 17, 2011 18:46:12 GMT -5
lol.. this wasn't my point, but I can see how you could have percieved it that way. I just mentioned what you missed in your assessment, of what Croats are. Anyway no need to share Jadran with me, I have a house in Lapad just footsteps away from the Adriatic.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:48:01 GMT -5
lol.. this wasn't my point, but I can see how you could have percieved it that way. I just mentioned what you missed in your assessment, of what Croats are. Anyway no need to share Jadran with me, I have a house in Lapad just footsteps away from the Adriatic. Hey , I'm glad you enjoy your house in Republika Hrvatska
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 18:48:37 GMT -5
So you're a Croatian citizen or one of your parents are?
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Post by uz on Jun 17, 2011 18:52:57 GMT -5
No, I am a Canadian citizen. I have family from all over Yugo, but I am mainly Monte-Serb.
I do enjoy my home in Lapad, in fact my whole community knows of my families background and have strong respect for us, as we do for them.
I have absolutely nothing against Croats, just certain mentalities that tend to roam, that's all. This mentality I speak of, is well known amongst our people (Serbs & Croats). Its in our genes.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 19:06:38 GMT -5
In order to own and retain property in Croatia you must claim Croatian citizenship or have special paperwork ( for businesses usually). Perhaps its not your house but a relative's house that is either a Croat or holds Croatian citizenship , I assume they live in Dubrovnik? My uncle , cousin , and I built our house from scratch in Rogoznica. I literally helped put the stone on it . In fact , when they advertised a house for sale next to ours in a magazin they showed OUR house , not the one on sale lol. Our house is 20m from the sea ( we did it before the law passed for 70m) and everytime they advertise the new apartments they always get a shot of our house. And finally a couple days ago on Nova TV the news covered the bricklayers in Rogoznica ( It's summer time , they have to stop working) and showed our house the most I'll upload some pics here soon. And this 'mentality' isn't in our genes. Serbs and Croats shouldn't be enemies tbh. We got along for centuries even helping eachother out until the recent couple centuries where we were turned against eachother. It's sad really since in reality Serbs are our brother ( bad brother ) nation.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 19:35:17 GMT -5
The person in your family who owns the house ( i.e. in their name) is a Croatian citizen unless you run a special business down there. You don't have to be Croat to own property , just a Croatian citizen ( they need to track property taxes , etc , legal reasons.) Why was it hard? Was your property seized or something? I know Serb families in Rijeka who lived there before the war who got new ( Croatian) title deeds with little trouble. It's only if you ran into legal trouble or somehow refused to switch your paperwork that you would have problems. Foreign tax? Does someone in your family actually reside in the home? Do you live abroad and own it and possibly renting it? Yes , but it seems when south-Slavs were left to their own devices violence usually wasn't far behind. It only seems that under powerful authoritarian regimes ( foreign or communist) did the bloodshed stop. 20 years of independence so far and all is well ( not perfect but good). Lets hope peace lasts and we can show Europe we are stable
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Post by uz on Jun 17, 2011 19:40:34 GMT -5
You are for the EU?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 19:43:40 GMT -5
Mostly no but I am for bettering our image to our neighbors.
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Post by uz on Jun 17, 2011 19:44:39 GMT -5
How about them, bettering their image to us?
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2011 19:58:33 GMT -5
Of course. Its not an all-give situation. I'm for tit for tat.
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Post by uz on Jun 17, 2011 20:03:00 GMT -5
This is what the EU does not understand.
Serbs have the right to feel betrayed. I'm sure if you really take a moment to think about it, you will agree.
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