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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Jan 9, 2009 13:18:38 GMT -5
Feel free to state also what was your answer and why.
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Post by Ja Ona i Pivo on Jan 9, 2009 13:53:56 GMT -5
nema to partly.. nemoze sad u jednom gradu balkanac, a 20km dalje ko fol nije.... U balkanu je i uvjek je bila.. sad ako se oni ne osjecaju balkanci eh sta cu im ja... Zivim i ja u skandinaviji pa se ne osjecam skandinavac vec kinez,....
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Post by rusebg on Jan 9, 2009 16:01:01 GMT -5
Didn't we discuss that in enough details just a week ago?
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Post by Trazi Vise on Jan 9, 2009 17:00:56 GMT -5
Why are non Croats voting at all especially choosing a partially non balkan response, wtf? oh and I'm partially Croatian, and partially a woman etc etc...
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Post by CiKoLa on Jan 9, 2009 20:41:43 GMT -5
I didn't realize there were so many Croats on these forums ... judging from the responses above in the poll i think the margin of error is quite high, dont you. !
I think Admin should reveal who voted for what, that way we'll know for sure!
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Post by tyson on Jan 9, 2009 22:46:38 GMT -5
croatia is part of the balkans
but yeh, this topic has been done too many times already.
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Post by CiKoLa on Jan 9, 2009 22:56:45 GMT -5
^^ its a brain washing exercise ...
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 11, 2009 22:30:24 GMT -5
The Balkan Peninsula clearly goes through Croatia. I don't know why a few croats bother denying geography. Maybe Croats don't get taught geography?
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Post by SKORIC on Jan 12, 2009 0:21:40 GMT -5
^ Nah its just that some like Cikola have a superiority complex.
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Post by Zvone on Jan 12, 2009 11:58:27 GMT -5
"Croatia is in the Balkans, oh oh I'm coooommmiiinnnnn!!" - arsenije thinks to himself
It's a silly topic. The only people that care about it is those who want to level Croatia to their own standards. Simple douchebg complex.
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Post by dusko1 on Aug 18, 2009 16:48:45 GMT -5
Hrvatska is part of the Balkans. Wether you or they like it or not. This poll is ridiculous.
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Post by superstar on Aug 23, 2009 12:19:51 GMT -5
It has to be a complex thing... "You're the same as us! We are the same people!"
Most Croatians don't relate to the term Balkan, don't want to relate to it or simply just don't care... It's hardly something important.
The term Balkan is going out of use and I'm hearing the region referred to South East Europe more often these days....
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Post by occamsrazor on Sept 25, 2009 5:25:28 GMT -5
'Balkan' has developed a negative connotation. Even in English political language we speak of 'balkanization' as a negative. It means that groups will splinter and fight each other. The term 'ethnic cleansing' is often associated with 'Balkan' too.
Basically the image people draw up in their heads could be similar to the American legend of Hatfields and Mccoys. Basically, rival pig farmers and hillbillies shooting carelessly at each other for encroachment but they live together cheek and jawl. Anti-civilized in other words.
Many people in Croatia are eager to get away from this association where the 'Balkan culture' is clearly visible in neighboring countries such as Bosnia and Serbia but also very present in large parts of Croatia. Also , historically , Balkan is associated with Ottoman rule where Croatia was mostly part of the 'Western' powers and Ottoman is considered backwards to the Western Enlightenment in which a lot of Croats feel that Croatia was apart of.
Its silly to make a big deal of it really. I mean , its very clear that many parts of Croatia are virtually indistinguishable from Bosnia and Serbia in terms of culture. The people are remarkably similar.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 25, 2009 8:13:08 GMT -5
^very true
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Post by rogers on Mar 8, 2010 6:05:56 GMT -5
I think that the term "Balkan" has negative vibe. It has developed derogatory connotations, and as a Croat I certainly don't want any part of it.
The word "Balkan" is non-European anyway, meaning mountain in Turkish.
Croatia identifies it's self way more with Central Europe than it does with it's Southern and Western neighboring countries so why should it associate itself with the "armpit" of Europe as some have referred to it. It's a scapegoat term that lumps unrelated peoples together that not only look different but are culturally different and speak different unrelated languages. The term is useless and should be abandoned IMHO.
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Post by tyson on Apr 8, 2010 7:25:19 GMT -5
^ this is a complex that is common with my community (croats) . some of them have this notion that we have nothing to do with the balkans, we are central europe, bla bla. this is stupid, but they have the right to think what they like.
the only part of croatia that is geographically or culturally part of central europe is panonian croatia. croastal and southern croatia have nothing to do with central europe. geographically its part of the balkans, and culturally its italic/latin and balkan influenced,... the coast being italic/latin in culture, and the hinterland being balkan in culture. these are facts, which some croats pretend like it doesnt exist or ignore.
yes it is true that croats generally look to the north , because of political reasons, being that we have strong political relations with hungary and austria, and have next to no politcal relations with italy, and with all our balkan neighbors, our relations have been unstable.
political aleigences have nothing to do with culture and geography. this is something some croats dont understand, and in the process make themselves look dumb in the eyes of non-croats.
the word "balkan" may be turkish in origin, and in the end the word is not important. you can call it the ancient greek word for the region "Haimos" or just "southeast europe" ,.... the same arguments still apply. it doesnt make a difference.
also, most of panonian croatia was under ottoman turkish rule for a significant period of time aswell. the only parts they didnt rule was the area west of virovitica and cazma (zagorje) , and not any closer than the outskirts of karlovac and sisak.
ottoman empire ruled slavonia for 160 years. ottoman towns were built. osjiek had three mosques. there was a significant number of croat converts to islam there during ottoman rule. once the ottoman empire lost this region, all the traces of ottoman presence were destroyed, and the islamized croats of slavonia left to BiH and sandzak.
lets not forget that BiH is tied to croatia historically, as it is croatian historical land, and our ethnic catholic croat brethren reside there, aswell the islamzied croats who are now known as bosniaks. croatia will always be tied to BiH, and its land, history and culture is also ours aswell. throughout history croatia's capital used to be in BiH towns of duvno/tomislavgrad, bihac and banja luka.
also, not forgetting the fact that croats from dalmatian hinterland, bosnia and herzegovina, who are all culturally and geographically balkan, have migrated throughout history to pannonian croatia, aswell as the croatian bunjevci who have strong vlach origins.
all these factors point to the undeniable fact that croatia is geographically, historically and culturally part of the balkans.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Apr 12, 2010 11:58:26 GMT -5
"Croatia is in the Balkans, oh oh I'm coooommmiiinnnnn!!" - arsenije thinks to himself What? What? Anyways, Tyson ti je sve lijepo izgovorio.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 12, 2010 12:10:21 GMT -5
I wonder, what do central Europeans consider Croatia to be? I think Croatia is no more Central European than Serbia. Both countries have extensive portions that were ruled by Austria-Hungary for prolonged periods of time and have altered the culture from the differing areas.
Eitherway, Central Europe is little more than the Hapsburg dynasty's sphere of realm. It is largely composed of those areas deeply influenced, and largely controlled, by either German or Austrian rule/culture. Either you are a Balkanian or you are a German-Austrian bich. ;D
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 16, 2010 19:56:10 GMT -5
why is it stupid. Geographically I would agree Croatia is in Balkans but culturally and in terms of cultural influences I dont agree that it is entirely Balkan.
you made some good points in your post, but when people talk of say Croatia or Slovenia as being non Balkan or less Balkan it relates to the Westward looking outlook and yes connections with Central Europe. Croatia was closely connected with Hungary for 800 odd years it was actually part of Hungarian Kingdom for that long and Hungary was not considered Balkan and was politically and culturally more central European influenced, I think it cannot be denied that this also applied to Croatia to certain extent.
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Post by andromeda on Oct 17, 2010 23:55:01 GMT -5
Croatia is heterogeneous as are its neighbors. Extremists on both sides of the argument go to the point of absurdity. We should have a clear definition of what "Balkan" and "Central European" are first. Croatia is the place where you see a 'Balkan twist' to primarily Central/Western European culture. The people are mentally very similar to their Balkan neighbors but indulge the Italian and German variety too.
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