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Post by terroreign on Feb 5, 2008 22:06:23 GMT -5
That map of yours is based on pseudo-scientific bosnian studies before the war in order to hype up a "Bosnian" conscience.
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Post by radovic on Feb 5, 2008 23:40:15 GMT -5
I posted that map just to display how phoney your map was, and that your theory is bogus. Radovic - learn to use your brain properly then reply. So far all you do is the aformentioned phrases that are located in your post. Once again you show that you can't defend your views. First you go into crude humour and when I point out that what you are doing is the sign of an uneducated mind you try to claim that I'm not posting correctly.
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Post by radovic on Feb 5, 2008 23:42:04 GMT -5
That map of yours is based on pseudo-scientific bosnian studies before the war in order to hype up a "Bosnian" conscience. That map you refer to is backed by genetic science. But, your claims regarding Albanians are backed by historical revisionism and pseudo-science.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2008 0:40:04 GMT -5
^ Bravo, you said it 100% perfect.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2008 0:46:37 GMT -5
"That map of yours is based on pseudo-scientific bosnian studies before the war in order to hype up a "Bosnian" conscience."
I agree some were, as we have seen encyclopedia brittanica (ethnical) map of bosnia in its 1989 edition, that edition only had croats and serbs but then in 1990 it changed to croats, bosniaks and serbs as ethnic groups. That genetical map was printed way after the war.
Terro, please don't make up lies, it only ends up making you a clown of the forum.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 6, 2008 1:48:20 GMT -5
That genetical map is bogus, show me one non balkanian that agrees with it.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2008 6:57:05 GMT -5
^ Oh please terro, your coming up with really dumb excuses....btw the map was produced by westerners.
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Post by Edlund on Feb 6, 2008 7:25:57 GMT -5
Na Bugarskom Forumu Tero odgovara Ivanovu na cistom Bugarskom jeziku (Makedonskom akcentu ako se varam) Terroreign doesn't write good in Bulgarian/Macedonian either. I think his Bulgarian is just as good as his Serbian. terroreign: Re: Macedonians are not Bulgars
A Ivanov - zosto ne mozat da veruvat deka makedoncite ne se bugari. Odi i gledaj sebe i nemoj da presudovat drugi lugji, samo pocituvaj i kraj This is how it should be in literary Bulgarian: A Ivanov - zashto ne mozhesh da povjarvash, che makedoncite ne sa bylgari. Hodi i gledaj sebe si i nedej da sydish drugite hora, samo pochitaj i kraj.In literary Macedonian it should be: A Ivanov - zoshto ne mozhesh da veruvash deka Makedoncite ne se Bugari. Odi i gledaj tebe i nemoj da presuduvash drugite lugje, samo pochituvaj i kraj.
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Post by zgembo on Feb 6, 2008 7:47:54 GMT -5
^ The Macedonian is very close... closer than he is to real 'Montenegrin'
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Post by Edlund on Feb 6, 2008 8:04:06 GMT -5
It's close, but it's not his native language. Nobody would say "ne mozat da veruvat" instead of "ne mozhesh da veruvash". "Ne mozat da veruvat" actually is third person plural - "they can't believe". I'm also thinking that hiss mother tongue is probably not Slavic.
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 6, 2008 8:38:51 GMT -5
No terro because it doesn't suit your Albanians. The illyrian gene map isn't bogus because its scientifically proven, it shows the gene dominates in Bosnia and Croatia and absoultely absent in kosovo and northwestern macedonia, it also shows that its low in albania. There is no Illyrian gene map. I realize that the result of a scientific DNA study is being bandied about as Illyrian, but if you read the article itself you won't find the word Illyrian anywhere.
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Post by radovic on Feb 6, 2008 9:53:50 GMT -5
No terro because it doesn't suit your Albanians. The illyrian gene map isn't bogus because its scientifically proven, it shows the gene dominates in Bosnia and Croatia and absoultely absent in kosovo and northwestern macedonia, it also shows that its low in albania. There is no Illyrian gene map. I realize that the result of a scientific DNA study is being bandied about as Illyrian, but if you read the article itself you won't find the word Illyrian anywhere. Genes don't tend to be labelled as "Illyrian gene", "Serb gene", "Slavic gene", etc... They are given names like ilb, etc...
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 6, 2008 11:39:50 GMT -5
There is no Illyrian gene map. I realize that the result of a scientific DNA study is being bandied about as Illyrian, but if you read the article itself you won't find the word Illyrian anywhere. Genes don't tend to be labelled as "Illyrian gene", "Serb gene", "Slavic gene", etc... They are given names like ilb, etc... Right. That's because no scientist would put his/her name on a paper claiming that genes determine ethnicity.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 6, 2008 12:44:17 GMT -5
"Novi, I believe if anyone was the king of making lame comments and having elementary level debating skills, it would be you, my good sir." Hey at least l'm not some kind of fake who makes up lame gene maps telling everybody its from Steve hawkings when scientific 'proven' maps tell otherwise. Let me ask you something, why was the Albanians first mentioned in 1081 (the shqiptar albanians) not the albonoi illyrians who arn't even related to the shqiptar. you funny novi you objectivy see only White and Black ;D how many times you claim those such jokes... no shkije friend...shqiptar first mentioned in XVII-XVII Ceuntry while Arbanian 2200 years ago and Albanian 1900 years ago. Albanans themself called Arben/Arban/Arbesh like i said before firstly has mentioned 2200 years ago while you serbs-serboi that time were in Siberia (Asia) "I posted that map just to display how phoney your map was, and that your theory is bogus." No terro because it doesn't suit your Albanians. The illyrian gene map isn't bogus because its scientifically proven, it shows the gene dominates in Bosnia and Croatia and absoultely absent in kosovo and northwestern macedonia, it also shows that its low in albania. Can you tell who are those your scientifically proven???, I answered you that most olddest genes of balcan found among Albanians exp Kosova is center (that should be Illyrian-Macedonian-Troyan-Thracian) read book of Osmanogic (famous bosnak archaeolog) you can found more details there.
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 6, 2008 13:30:20 GMT -5
This is one of the maps in question: If you read the scientific articles themselves you'll see that they refer to migrations and gene diffusions from 21,000 to 9,000 years ago: hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2004_v75_Semino.pdfThis wiki entry is not bad: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I_(Y-DNA)The time they deduce is thousands of years earlier than the period of the definition of peoples, or ethnicities. That's one of the reasons why there are no "ethnic" genes. The other is that modern peoples are made of various more recent inflows from all over. In the Balkans there have been Goths, Avars, Kumans, Bulgars, Magyars, Turks, etc, all of whom have made nonzero contributions.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 6, 2008 15:27:13 GMT -5
'A Ivanov - zoshto ne mozhesh da veruvash deka Makedoncite ne se Bugari. Odi i gledaj tebe i nemoj da presuduvash drugite lugje, samo pochituvaj i kraj.'
I meant to say 'mozash', besides that it was alright
And Marko is still being a little sourpuss - samo provokiras jel
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 6, 2008 17:24:15 GMT -5
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2008 21:30:17 GMT -5
"There is no Illyrian gene map. I realize that the result of a scientific DNA study is being bandied about as Illyrian, but if you read the article itself you won't find the word Illyrian anywhere."
Thats fair, but why do some Albanians insist that this marker is illyrian and hence albanian. At the same time why do some believe that albanians are direct decendants of these people when many contradictions are present.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 6, 2008 21:47:22 GMT -5
"terroreign: Doesnt Prespa mean something in albanian? Pres - wait Pa - without"
Well done aadmin, you've done enough to expose this sneaky undercover agent.
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 6, 2008 22:06:18 GMT -5
"There is no Illyrian gene map. I realize that the result of a scientific DNA study is being bandied about as Illyrian, but if you read the article itself you won't find the word Illyrian anywhere." Thats fair, but why do some Albanians insist that this marker is illyrian and hence albanian. At the same time why do some believe that albanians are direct decendants of these people when many contradictions are present. I think that's a shorthand appellation of the pre-Roman people of the western Balkans. There were many such tribes and it's hard to narrow it down. The Illyrians were the most prominent, that's all. If the conclusions of these genetic studies are correct, the modern Slavic speakers (Croats, Bosnians, Serbs) have just as much genetic linkage to the local Balkan ancients, although linguistically the Albanians have preserved much more .
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