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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 9, 2008 8:17:05 GMT -5
^ What l'm trying to say to some of these Albanians is that you cannot base acouple of coincidences and be certain of it.
For example (correct me if l'm wrong in this example):
The word *Kish* l believe translates to church in modern Albanian (Shqiptar) and:
"This is a fairly recent picture (July 2000) of the Kish Church, in Sheki region of Azerbaijan, the oldest church in all of Caucasus, possibly dating back to the I-II century A.D. It was the seating of Caucasian Albania's Gis episcopate, founded by St. Yelyses, which proves that Albanians were the first Christians. It is also important to note that even the most ardent Armenian propagandists and revisionists stop short of including Sheki region as part of Armenia in their "maps."
.....is it coincidence
Wheres Terro to explain?
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Post by Duke John on Feb 9, 2008 9:56:17 GMT -5
^ What do you want me to say that: CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA Now you made a mistake! its not "ICHQERIA"! the proper is "ICHKERIA" not with "Q" but with "K"!!! what is Ichkeria? The answer is: Ichkeria is the turkish form of Chechenia, the "Ichkeria" term is given buy ottoman turks just like turks called Albania as "Arnavutluk", Ichkeria is not even from Chechen vocabulary nor is the word Chechen! the Chechen term is moust propably the iranian form of "Nokhchi" the word the chechens call their selfs, they call them selfs as Nokhchi people because they believe that they have some connections with Noah. Albanians call their selfs "Shqiptar=sons of eagle" and Chechens call their selfs "Nokhchi = Noahs people" I see you typed with "Q" and twisted the two different words which have totally different meanings, and which do not even sound similar if they are properly written. You made another mistake! its not SHQIPTERIA! the proper is SHQIPËRIA if you refer to the name of the country, but if you refer to Eagledom then its SHQIPTARIA with "A" and not with "E"!, Shqiptaria = Eagledom, in serbian Orlovo?Orlovia? Shqipëria = Land of the Eagles, in serbian it means "ZEMLA ORLOVA" Shqiptar = Son of the Eagle, in serbian Sin Orlova! I am suprised of your knowledge, you really need to do some researches before you even claim something so Absurd like you did. Before you connect words you must understand that Albanian language comprises its own independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives, Indo-European languages and Caucasian languages are of totally different structure, so making some absurd connections is pretty lame.
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Post by fannoli on Feb 9, 2008 11:43:34 GMT -5
Austria Hungary was fearful of a serbian state having an outlet to the adriatic, hence the reason a buffer state like Albania was created in 1912.
You know what makes me laugh is that the Albanians didn't even know who the illyrians were a century or two ago.....lmao!. And why should Austria want an expansionist and colonialist Serbia? Sinc when did Adriatic have a considerable serbian ethno? Are you whining that you dont have sea-access. I think the borders that you have right now are actually more than enough considering where you come from.
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Post by srbobran on Feb 9, 2008 14:54:58 GMT -5
South Slavs are the descendants of the Illyrian peoples and were recognized and recognized ourselves as being Illyrian up until the late 19th century when Pan-Slavic nationalism took hold in Serbia and Croatia.
1. There were numerous ancient Serbian toponyms mentioned by Greek historians such as: Serbinum, Srbac, Vindium, Venedae (Vends are considered an ancient cognate word for Serbian as White Serbs continue to be called Vends by Germanic peoples), Sarmate etc. I had the article saved in my bookmarks but I had to system recoer my computer and as a result, it will take a bit for me to find it. I will post soon however.
2. Byzantines chroniclers often called the Serbs by the tribal names of their Illyrian predecessors. For example, the Triballi were an Illyrian tribe that lived on most of today's Serbia. More often than not, Serbs were called "Triballi" and Byzantine historians record the "Archont of the Tribals" and Tzar Dusan as the King of Tribals and Romans. Not coincidentally, a "coat of Arms of Triballia" appears on the CofA of the First Serbian uprising and to this date, the Triballian coat of arms is in usage by numerous Serbian municipalities. Travunia (a Serbian state, now known as Herzegovina) was often at times called Triballia as well.
I will post more historical data soon.
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Post by c0gnate on Feb 9, 2008 15:22:08 GMT -5
1. There were numerous ancient Serbian toponyms mentioned by Greek historians such as: Serbinum, Srbac, Vindium, Venedae (Vends are considered an ancient cognate word for Serbian as White Serbs continue to be called Vends by Germanic peoples), Sarmate etc. I had the article saved in my bookmarks but I had to system recoer my computer and as a result, it will take a bit for me to find it. I will post soon however. You won't find any modern western historians who agree to the above. 2. Byzantines chroniclers often called the Serbs by the tribal names of their Illyrian predecessors. For example, the Triballi were an Illyrian tribe that lived on most of today's Serbia. More often than not, Serbs were called "Triballi" and Byzantine historians record the "Archont of the Tribals" and Tzar Dusan as the King of Tribals and Romans. The Triballi were not Slavic. It may be that after the Slavs came to the Balkans during the 6th through 8th century - and it seems like they were not in relatively great numbers - the Triballi, or they descendants accepted the Slavic tongue and eventually, by the 16th century or even later came to form the people that even later, in the 19th century, formed the modern Serb people.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 9, 2008 17:34:53 GMT -5
^ What l'm trying to say to some of these Albanians is that you cannot base acouple of coincidences and be certain of it. For example (correct me if l'm wrong in this example): The word *Kish* l believe translates to church in modern Albanian (Shqiptar) and: "This is a fairly recent picture (July 2000) of the Kish Church, in Sheki region of Azerbaijan, the oldest church in all of Caucasus, possibly dating back to the I-II century A.D. It was the seating of Caucasian Albania's Gis episcopate, founded by St. Yelyses, which proves that Albanians were the first Christians. It is also important to note that even the most ardent Armenian propagandists and revisionists stop short of including Sheki region as part of Armenia in their "maps." .....is it coincidence Wheres Terro to explain? kish is latino/saxon word (and mean church and is not albanian/illyran word) and church gived name cause of modern name of village (not ancient...in ancient called GIS not KISH) for your information KISH and SHEKI originates from the name of the Saxon (Modern English) tribes that wandered from the north side of the Black Sea through Derbend passage and to the South Caucasus and from there to the Asia Minor in the 7th century B.C.. link: www.world66.com/europe/azerbaijan/saki/history Kish is indo-european word (in particular Latin) and dont mean nothing in caucasus language...you know that Armenia/Georgia/Caucasia was conquest from Romans and Macedonians (Alexander the Great)...read history before craply here Yeni Pazar
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 10, 2008 17:35:57 GMT -5
Again:
J.J.WILKES:
"In the case of illyrian the problems appear to be multiplying: if, as some have argued, illyrians belongs not to the centum group but to the satem, the common etymology of Gentius and gens must be discarded. There is no evidence that illyrian in fact belongs to the satem group, but the argument that it does is crucial to the case that modern Albanian descended from illyrian."
Illyrian names by Geza Alfoldy:
"Annaeus/Annaius, Epicadus, Epidius, Pinnes, Plare, Tatta, Temeia, Zanatis, Ziraeus, Agirrus, Blodus, Boria, Glavus, Laedio, Laiscus, Madena, Posantio, Pravaius, Scerdis, Teuda, Zoruta, Bato, Dasius, Duzas, Ditus, Messor and Verzo"
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 10, 2008 17:40:57 GMT -5
"kish is latino/saxon word (and mean church and is not albanian/illyran word) and church gived name cause of modern name of village (not ancient...in ancient called GIS not KISH) for your information KISH and SHEKI originates from the name of the Saxon (Modern English) tribes that wandered from the north side of the Black Sea through Derbend passage and to the South Caucasus and from there to the Asia Minor in the 7th century B.C.. link: www.world66.com/europe/azerbaijan/saki/history Kish is indo-european word (in particular Latin) and dont mean nothing in caucasus language...you know that Armenia/Georgia/Caucasia was conquest from Romans and Macedonians (Alexander the Great)...read history before craply here Yeni Pazar" First of all l prefer you to call me by my forum name Novi Pazar!. O.k Kish is an indo-european word but why is it a coincidence that both these two peoples use it?
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Post by terroreign on Feb 10, 2008 18:55:52 GMT -5
"O.k Kish is an indo-european word but why is it a coincidence that both these two peoples use it?"
You just ruined your whole argument there Yeni...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 10, 2008 20:55:26 GMT -5
^ do l honestly care about it.
Whats my whole point u silly person?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 10, 2008 20:56:37 GMT -5
Terror, explain to me why Mr Wilkes has said the above.
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Post by fannoli on Feb 10, 2008 23:39:40 GMT -5
Novi Pazar how much do you know about linguistics to make such great claims?
You know its better to be quiet when you dont know then repeat stuff u have no idea or have not studied about.
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 10, 2008 23:52:31 GMT -5
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today
ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated
From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 0:48:24 GMT -5
"Novi Pazar how much do you know about linguistics to make such great claims?"
"You know its better to be quiet when you dont know then repeat stuff u have no idea or have not studied about."
Again what is my whole point to all of this?
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Post by albaniansoul on Feb 11, 2008 3:06:25 GMT -5
Most Montenegrins got albanian roots. Its that easy. Accept it. You assimilated the very best Albanians(shame) cause you know we're superior.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 3:11:18 GMT -5
"kish is latino/saxon word (and mean church and is not albanian/illyran word) and church gived name cause of modern name of village (not ancient...in ancient called GIS not KISH) for your information KISH and SHEKI originates from the name of the Saxon (Modern English) tribes that wandered from the north side of the Black Sea through Derbend passage and to the South Caucasus and from there to the Asia Minor in the 7th century B.C.. link: www.world66.com/europe/azerbaijan/saki/history Kish is indo-european word (in particular Latin) and dont mean nothing in caucasus language...you know that Armenia/Georgia/Caucasia was conquest from Romans and Macedonians (Alexander the Great)...read history before craply here Yeni Pazar" First of all l prefer you to call me by my forum name Novi Pazar!. O.k Kish is an indo-european word but why is it a coincidence that both these two peoples use it? Like I said before Kish dont mean church in caucasus language and they dont use this word but this is name of village (not churches), reason why used is cause of Roman/Anceint Macedonians (there were Illyrians too) conquest Caucasians (and settlet of Saxon tribes there durink Roman time). Kish (the village of this church) is Latin name Sheki (the Region of this church) is name of saxon tribes.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 3:24:23 GMT -5
Again: J.J.WILKES: "In the case of illyrian the problems appear to be multiplying: if, as some have argued, illyrians belongs not to the centum group but to the satem, the common etymology of Gentius and gens must be discarded. There is no evidence that illyrian in fact belongs to the satem group, but the argument that it does is crucial to the case that modern Albanian descended from illyrian." Illyrian names by Geza Alfoldy: "Annaeus/Annaius, Epicadus, Epidius, Pinnes, Plare, Tatta, Temeia, Zanatis, Ziraeus, Agirrus, Blodus, Boria, Glavus, Laedio, Laiscus, Madena, Posantio, Pravaius, Scerdis, Teuda, Zoruta, Bato, Dasius, Duzas, Ditus, Messor and Verzo" How many time i should answer you? are you blind Novi? you can't find argue beside this? ;D you have here answer from two most famous linguistic D. Gray & Quentin D. AtkinsonLanguage-tree divergence times support the Anatolian theory of Indo-European origin Russell D. Gray & Quentin D. Atkinson Department of Psychology, University of Auckland, Private Bag 92019, Auckland 1020, New Zealand "The consensus tree also reflects traditional uncertainties in the relationships between the major Indo-European language groups. For instance, historical linguists have not resolved the position of the Albanian group and our results clearly reflect this uncertainty(1) (the posterior probability of the Albanian/Indo-Iranian group is only 0.36)."link: www.mapageweb.umontreal.ca/tuitekj/cours/IE/GrayAtkinson.pdfand more informacion about alb language: www.cs.rice.edu/~nakhleh/Papers/NWREpaper_FINAL.pdf
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 3:38:57 GMT -5
On the Albanian Claim that they have Illyrian names today ISBN 960-210-279-9 Miranda Vickers, The Albanians Chapter 9. "Albania Isolates itself" page 256 In page 271 it is stated From time to time the state gave out lists with pagan ,supposed Illyrian or newly constructed names that would be proper for the new generation of revolutionaries.(see also Also Logoreci "the Albanians" page 157. joke grek, before 2 ceuntry 70% of greeks had Jew/hebraik names, can you explain why they used those name? (and not ancient greek names)? during medivial all native people of balcan (Albanians. Romanians and others european people) losed their name cause of Chatolic/Orthodoks ritual influence (latin), they changed all names from pagan to religion there were 13 Emperor of Roman Empire from Illyrian origin all of them had Latin name (not own name). now if you go in Greece they dont accept your native name in Passaport but you should change your name/surname to take passaport.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 4:28:04 GMT -5
kid go use more articles of retard hajdukes that claim greeks are serb origin p.s Ajax Kid why you deletet your crying post? ;D
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Post by Arxileas on Feb 11, 2008 4:56:53 GMT -5
kid go use more articles of retard hajdukes that claim greeks are serb origin This is where I get my articles from. Where Archaeologists and educated University graduates etc; go and post. And they all agree, there is no connection btw Albs and Illyrians. Because there isn't enough evidence to support it, unless we look at the bigger picture "you go and figure the missing links" www.allempires.net/active_topics.asp^ Go on see how long you last in there with your theories....
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