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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 5:03:26 GMT -5
kid go use more articles of retard hajdukes that claim greeks are serb origin This is where I get my articles from. Where Archaeologists and educated University graduates etc; go and post. And they all agree, there is no connection btw Albs and Illyrians. Because there isn't enough evidence to support it, unless we look at the bigger picture "you go and figure the missing links" www.allempires.net/active_topics.asp^ Go on see how long you last in there with your theories.... dont lie kid...you articles taked from WEB of psycho member of this forum hajduke also month ago postet funny posts like george maniac bla bla? heve you forget it? kid? 2) I am member of this forum before you and all agrees that Albanians origin of Illyrians and no one doubt this, they (generally greeks not others) doubt origin of pelasgians. 3) Admin of this forum is greek, do you know?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 5:10:27 GMT -5
Also there have alot like you said educated University graduates that dont accept greek origin of Macedonians and some of them even dont accept connnection beetwen modern greeks and ancient greeks...i know wery well there alot german/french members ect have banned cuase they dont acceptet your origin from ancient greeks
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Post by Fender on Feb 11, 2008 5:17:07 GMT -5
Also there have alot like you said educated University graduates that dont accept greek origin of Macedonians and some of them even dont accept connnection beetwen modern greeks and ancient greeks...i know wery well there alot german/french members ect have banned cuase they dont acceptet your origin from ancient greeks Aadmin is not Greek but of Montenegrin origin.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 5:25:33 GMT -5
Also there have alot like you said educated University graduates that dont accept greek origin of Macedonians and some of them even dont accept connnection beetwen modern greeks and ancient greeks...i know wery well there alot german/french members ect have banned cuase they dont acceptet your origin from ancient greeks Aadmin is not Greek but of Montenegrin origin. i mean about allempires.com forum not balkan illyria
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Post by Fender on Feb 11, 2008 5:33:34 GMT -5
Aadmin is not Greek but of Montenegrin origin. i mean about allempires.com forum not balkan illyria My apologies.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 5:58:15 GMT -5
"You won't find any modern western historians who agree to the above."
These are what l call coincidences.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 6:19:16 GMT -5
"And as such, Bosnians Croats, Montenegrins, ect, have Illyrian blood as well, to certain degrees"
They have more illyrian orgins than Albanians, fact!!.
"Now if these 'coincidences' don't persuade you, then I don't know what will...
Dardania (Illyrian province) = Dardhenia(albanian name) = Land of Pears
Illyria = I liria = Free Land
Bardyllis = White star (in albanian)"
The Dardans weren't even illyrian, they derive there name from the dardanus of north-western anatolia. Again these are just some coincidences that don't really prove much.
Wilkes:
"On the other hand, it is hoped that the unfortunate distortions which have marred outstanding progress in Albanian Archaeology will soon be corrected. As new guidebooks are demonstrating, the Albanian culture, as fascinating and varied as any in that quarter of Europe, is an inheritance from several languages, religions and ethnic groups known to have inhabited the region since prehistoric times, among whom were the Illyrians."
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 6:26:32 GMT -5
Just having alittle minor debate with you l have realised your 100% an Albanian posing as an Montenegrin. You might have some possible slavic members in your family, as do most Albanians:
from Coon:
The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 6:29:28 GMT -5
This is my major point about coincidences!.
Ardian Vebiu:
Onomastics is of no great help in settling linguistic and ethnogenetic issues. Let's have a look at some important place names in Albanian territories, like Dajti, Shkodra, Durresi, Vlora, Burreli, Drini, Shkumbini, Tirana, etc. Are they Albanian? We can't say that, for there are no Albanian words that would explain them (as we explain, for example, Kruja with "krue" - fountain).
This might well be true, but seems pathetic in front of the fact that we can't explain through Albanian words the place names we currently use, let alone the Illyrian ones. So what?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 6:32:11 GMT -5
"Novi - the fact is that Albanian = illyrian tribe"
I have read that even the Albanoi who once lived in present day Albania may have been a celtic tribe. The prefix Alba is common amoungst the celtic peoples.
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Post by Duke John on Feb 11, 2008 6:40:49 GMT -5
NoviPazar! your little silly claim is pointless, my post explained how wrong you are. ^ What do you want me to say that: CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA Now you made a mistake! its not "ICHQERIA"! the proper is "ICHKERIA" not with "Q" but with "K"!!! what is Ichkeria? The answer is: Ichkeria is the turkish form of Chechenia, the "Ichkeria" term is given buy ottoman turks just like turks called Albania as "Arnavutluk", Ichkeria is not even from Chechen vocabulary nor is the word Chechen! the Chechen term is moust propably the iranian form of "Nokhchi" the word the chechens call their selfs, they call them selfs as Nokhchi people because they believe that they have some connections with Noah. Albanians call their selfs "Shqiptar=sons of eagle" and Chechens call their selfs "Nokhchi = Noahs people" I see you typed with "Q" and twisted the two different words which have totally different meanings, and which do not even sound similar if they are properly written. You made another mistake! its not SHQIPTERIA! the proper is SHQIPËRIA if you refer to the name of the country, but if you refer to Eagledom then its SHQIPTARIA with "A" and not with "E"!, Shqiptaria = Eagledom, in serbian Orlovo?Orlovia? Shqipëria = Land of the Eagles, in serbian it means "ZEMLA ORLOVA" Shqiptar = Son of the Eagle, in serbian Sin Orlova! I am suprised of your knowledge, you really need to do some researches before you even claim something so Absurd like you did. Before you connect words you must understand that Albanian language comprises its own independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives, Indo-European languages and Caucasian languages are of totally different structure, so making some absurd connections is pretty lame. Above you see how an absurd claim is made pointless,so what is your point Novi? denying our autochthony? When a serb try to deny our autochthony Aleksandar Stipcevic always comes in my mind. It does not matter from which tribe we got our name,celtic or what ever, what really matters here to every single Albanian is the fact that our ancestors from which present day albanian nation is formed were long before your ancestors arrived into balkans, we have enough facts to believe who and what we are, even if the ancestors of Albanians have been arrived 1 year before the serb we still would take pride on that!. There are many points why we Albanians are very proud, Our language is unque and independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives. Our name have been mentioned in different versions such as Albanoi,Arbans... long before your ancestors even were close to Balkans, now imagine if the same mentionigs were aplyed to serbs!? wouldent you have enough proof to believe that you are autochthonous? i dont think so,if there was the same points mabe about serb existance in balkans like there is about Albanians im pretty shure you would be making noise nonstop about it.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 6:42:20 GMT -5
"And as such, Bosnians Croats, Montenegrins, ect, have Illyrian blood as well, to certain degrees" They have more illyrian orgins than Albanians, fact!!. "Now if these 'coincidences' don't persuade you, then I don't know what will... Dardania (Illyrian province) = Dardhenia(albanian name) = Land of Pears Illyria = I liria = Free Land Bardyllis = White star (in albanian)" The Dardans weren't even illyrian, they derive there name from the dardanus of north-western anatolia. Again these are just some coincidences that don't really prove much. Wilkes: "On the other hand, it is hoped that the unfortunate distortions which have marred outstanding progress in Albanian Archaeology will soon be corrected. As new guidebooks are demonstrating, the Albanian culture, as fascinating and varied as any in that quarter of Europe, is an inheritance from several languages, religions and ethnic groups known to have inhabited the region since prehistoric times, among whom were the Illyrians." 1) muhahahah Dardanians were not Illyrians? who said your pschyco hajduke? have you read in your life any book? 2) Wilkes is not archeolog/historian that he claim all are non-sence...you must read truly histoiran nad archeologs
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 6:47:38 GMT -5
Just having alittle minor debate with you l have realised your 100% an Albanian posing as an Montenegrin. You might have some possible slavic members in your family, as do most Albanians: from Coon: The Albanian language, a hybrid between Illyrian, Thracian, Latin, Slavic, Turkish, and other elements, reflects the ethnically composite origin of the Albanians. he say about influence (and COON is not linguistic) because you have thausands linguistics that albanian acceptet one of 8 chief european language...and most famous modern linguistico/antropolog Cavalli-Sforza noticed that albanian language is most olddest language in Europe look more Indo-Europeans Branch: www.krysstal.com/langfams_indoeuro.htmlOthers: indoeuro.bizland.com/atree.htmlwww.bartleby.com/65/in/IndEurTABLE.htmlberclo.net/page03/03en-ind-eur-lang.html
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 6:51:44 GMT -5
"Novi - the fact is that Albanian = illyrian tribe" I have read that even the Albanoi who once lived in present day Albania may have been a celtic tribe. The prefix Alba is common amoungst the celtic peoples. you have Arbanit tribes that mentinoed 400 years before Albanoi tribes and Albanians called themself Arbanit (greeks called us Arvanites , Latins: Arbanese, Slavs: Arbanasi)
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 6:55:06 GMT -5
NoviPazar! your little silly claim is pointless, my post explained how wrong you are. Now you made a mistake! its not "ICHQERIA"! the proper is "ICHKERIA" not with "Q" but with "K"!!! what is Ichkeria? The answer is: Ichkeria is the turkish form of Chechenia, the "Ichkeria" term is given buy ottoman turks just like turks called Albania as "Arnavutluk", Ichkeria is not even from Chechen vocabulary nor is the word Chechen! the Chechen term is moust propably the iranian form of "Nokhchi" the word the chechens call their selfs, they call them selfs as Nokhchi people because they believe that they have some connections with Noah. Albanians call their selfs "Shqiptar=sons of eagle" and Chechens call their selfs "Nokhchi = Noahs people" I see you typed with "Q" and twisted the two different words which have totally different meanings, and which do not even sound similar if they are properly written. You made another mistake! its not SHQIPTERIA! the proper is SHQIPËRIA if you refer to the name of the country, but if you refer to Eagledom then its SHQIPTARIA with "A" and not with "E"!, Shqiptaria = Eagledom, in serbian Orlovo?Orlovia? Shqipëria = Land of the Eagles, in serbian it means "ZEMLA ORLOVA" Shqiptar = Son of the Eagle, in serbian Sin Orlova! I am suprised of your knowledge, you really need to do some researches before you even claim something so Absurd like you did. Before you connect words you must understand that Albanian language comprises its own independent branch of the Indo-European language family with no living close relatives, Indo-European languages and Caucasian languages are of totally different structure, so making some absurd connections is pretty lame. Above you see how an absurd claim is made pointless,so what is your point Novi? denying our autochthony? When a serb try to deny our autochthony Aleksandar Stipcevic always comes in my mind. this is interesing when you heard from asian nomad people from Siberia/Kazakistan (serbs) ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 6:58:46 GMT -5
"And why should Austria want an expansionist and colonialist Serbia? Sinc when did Adriatic have a considerable serbian ethno? Are you whining that you dont have sea-access. I think the borders that you have right now are actually more than enough considering where you come from." I honestly don't care that serbia doesn't have sea-access, l'm happy the way serbia is today including kosovo i metohia. I'm telling you that Albania was primarily created to stop serbia getting sea access and its main purpose is to be a buffer state. The major opponents were fearful of Russia having more power, read below: "One of Serbia's primary war aims was to gain an Adriatic port, preferably Durrës. Austria-Hungary and Italy opposed giving Serbia an outlet to the Adriatic, which they feared would become a Russian port. They instead supported the creation of an autonomous Albania. Russia backed Serbia's and Montenegro's claims to Albanian-inhabited lands. Britain and Germany remained neutral. Chaired by Britain's foreign secretary, Sir Edward Grey, the ambassadors' conference initially decided to create an autonomous Albania under continued Ottoman rule, but with the protection of the Great Powers. " countrystudies.us/albania/22.htmFanNoli when l post l don't talk from my butt and lie. Your correct there wasn't a large serbian ethno along the albanian adriatic, however Durres is the Albanianised version of Drach in Serbian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 7:08:26 GMT -5
"denying our autochthony"
Tell Coon not me:
Physically, the people looked more European than any others I had seen in the Middle East, both in their facial features and in their clothing. Many of them particularly resembled northern Albanians, a people whom I had studied in 1929 and 1930 and I soon saw one reason why.
In Albania, mothers strap babies to cradles, which they carry with them as they go to the market or go about their work. Although the infants’ heads are no bound, the immobilization of their shoulders forces them to lie on the back of their heads. As a result the heads are flattened in infancy and this condition is retained throughout life. As soon as I saw a pair of young mothers carrying their babies in such cradles, I knew why these people looked so much like Albanians.
Here was a surviving culture closely linked to the origins of European civilization, lived in by a people of European physical type, in the one part of Iran which has enough rainfall to preserve the forest on which its technological aspects depended.
There could be no question of this culture having come from Europe. The whole trend of history has gone in the opposite direction.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Feb 11, 2008 7:13:08 GMT -5
"this is interesing when you heard from asian nomad people from Siberia/Kazakistan (serbs)"
Yes serbs are a slavic people, there is no denying that and l'm greatful that l'm apart of this great people. Can you show me some coincidences that kazaks and serbs share?
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 7:17:28 GMT -5
"And why should Austria want an expansionist and colonialist Serbia? Sinc when did Adriatic have a considerable serbian ethno? Are you whining that you dont have sea-access. I think the borders that you have right now are actually more than enough considering where you come from." I honestly don't care that serbia doesn't have sea-access, l'm happy the way serbia is today including kosovo i metohia. I'm telling you that Albania was primarily created to stop serbia getting sea access and its main purpose is to be a buffer state. The major opponents were fearful of Russia having more power, read below: "One of Serbia's primary war aims was to gain an Adriatic port, preferably Durrës. Austria-Hungary and Italy opposed giving Serbia an outlet to the Adriatic, which they feared would become a Russian port. They instead supported the creation of an autonomous Albania. Russia backed Serbia's and Montenegro's claims to Albanian-inhabited lands. Britain and Germany remained neutral. Chaired by Britain's foreign secretary, Sir Edward Grey, the ambassadors' conference initially decided to create an autonomous Albania under continued Ottoman rule, but with the protection of the Great Powers. " countrystudies.us/albania/22.htmFanNoli when l post l don't talk from my butt and lie. Your correct there wasn't a large serbian ethno along the albanian adriatic, however Durres is the Albanianised version of Drach in Serbian. Novi you really are going be stupid funny?, you claim that Durres found serbs do you know history of Durres? dont be idiot Durres is ancient name that found from king Dyrrahum 2600 years ago? and Durres name dirived from his name lol lol this novi hajduke make alot lauch today us ;D
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Feb 11, 2008 7:19:54 GMT -5
"this is interesing when you heard from asian nomad people from Siberia/Kazakistan (serbs)" Yes serbs are a slavic people, there is no denying that and l'm greatful that l'm apart of this great people. Can you show me some coincidences that kazaks and serbs share? you should know very well your history than me... Serboi was tribes of Siberia and you moved in Iran later Caucasia and later in central europe you messed among slavs and you have been slaviciadet and later occupied our lands in Balcan. you are not slavs but persiano-avaro/caucasus tribes.
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