Well, I dont think they were particularly numerous to begin with. I have also been to Ulqin a couple of times, perhaps five times, and at two of those times I stayed maybe two weeks each, and despite this I never saw any black Ulqinak.
I never heard of Ulqin or Ulqinak, where in the hell is Ulqin anyway??
However i did hear about a place called Ulcinj but not Ulqin.
You're not even smart enough to add two + two are you?
You're not even smart enough to add two + two are you?
Four?
It's an expression, what I meant with the expression is that you can't even link the names Ulqin with Ulcinj which is as easy as adding two + two. When someone says this expression it basically means that you don't see the context. Which you obviously can't as Ulqin is an Albanian city with an Albanian name and calling it Ulcinj won't change these facts. So don't play more stupid than what you already are.
"Orbis terrarum Europa, Europae Graecia, Graeciae regina urbs Byzantii est" "Word's capital is Europe, Europe's is Greece, and Greece's Constantinoupolis" Guarino da Verona,15th c. ......................................... -Ouden glykion patridos-Homer
It's an expression, what I meant with the expression is that you can't even link the names Ulqin with Ulcinj which is as easy as adding two + two. When someone says this expression it basically means that you don't see the context. Which you obviously can't as Ulqin is an Albanian city with an Albanian name and calling it Ulcinj won't change these facts. So don't play more stupid than what you already are.
But the city is called Ulcinj and not Ulqin. That is what i am trying to point out, also why would you call a Serbo-Montenegrin city an Albanian name when Ulcinj is even Albanian or even part of Albania?? That is what i don't understand. I never heard of Ulqin and i tried finding it on the map but it just doesn't exist but then i realise the topic is about Ulcinj and for a second i thought you made a spelling error but then several times you wrote Ulqin or Ulqinak so i thought i would come and correct the name of the Serbian-Montenegrin city.
Also i don't understand why you brought up Maths into the subject?? Maths has nothing to do with making a spelling mistake, i was only correcting your spelling and hopefully you and Donnie will use the correct name next time in your post.
It is also due out of respect as we do not appreciate our cities being Albanised such as much as you wouldn't want us Serbs and Montenegrins Serbianising Albanian cities in Albania.
It's Ulqin and it's Albanian word, Albanian city, Albanian populated. Serbs are temporary visitors
You dont pronounce Washington into Vashington. New York pronounced as NjÜ Jork. That would be a mistake. So learn to pronounce Ulqin not Ulcinj...
dont forget. you are a slav or in other words slaves of holy roman empire. just like the black people of ulqin. you were brought into the balkan for labor, farming, and other duties -- only difference between you and the black guy is skin color.
Post by Marshall_Stanko on Nov 3, 2010 5:49:58 GMT -5
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It's Ulqin and it's Albanian word, Albanian city, Albanian populated. Serbs are temporary visitors
It is spelt Ulcinj and it is not part of Albania therefore it isn't an Albanian city. It maybe populated by Albanians but don't forget that it was the Albanians that migrated into Yugoslavia in large numbers post 1941 and after 1946. These so called Albanians are Albanians diaspora living in another foreign country that is not Albanian. If they want to live in a Albanian state then they can go back to Albania as nobody is stopping them from living in their own country in which they call Albania.
You dont pronounce Washington into Vashington. New York pronounced as NjÜ Jork. That would be a mistake. So learn to pronounce Ulqin not Ulcinj...
Washington is Washington and we say it in English, Ulcinj in English is also spelt as Ulcinj as there is no way of turning the name Ulcinj into a English name.
Also i am not Albanian and Ulcinj is a Serbian-Montenegrin city and it is part of the Republic of Montenegro so i am spelling it and pronouncing it as Ulcinj which is the correct name and correct pronounciation.
dont forget. you are a slav or in other words slaves of holy roman empire. just like the black people of ulqin. you were brought into the balkan for labor, farming, and other duties -- only difference between you and the black guy is skin color.
We were never slaves to begin with as we already had our own kingdom when we settled in the Balkans a thousand years long before Albanians had arrived in the Balkans. We were part of the Byzantine Empire and we once ruled it aswell.
Albanians on the other hand were brought in by the Ottoman Empire and they were very well slaves and used as human shields and to fight the Christians.
now tell me the montenegrin guy from mogadishu. he probably pronounces the name of the town ULQIN right. why shouldn't you?
He pronounces the name Ulcinj the way it is spelt, written and pronounced. He doesn't seem to nationalise the name of cities and claim these cities as Mogadishu. You Albanians on the other hand move to a foreign nation and as soon as you Albanians make up a majority of a town, a city or a region, you Albanians have a habbit of claiming it to be Albanian and want to annex it as part of Albania.
There is alot of Albanians in Footscray in Melbourne and now is Footscray part of Albanian or belongs to Albania?
give me one good reason?
I'll give you two good reasons,
1. Ulcinj is spelt Ulcinj, it is part of the Republic of Montenegro and not Albania. It was never Albanian to begin with or even part of Albania.
It's Ulqin and it's Albanian word, Albanian city, Albanian populated. Serbs are temporary visitors
You dont pronounce Washington into Vashington. New York pronounced as NjÜ Jork. That would be a mistake. So learn to pronounce Ulqin not Ulcinj...
dont forget. you are a slav or in other words slaves of holy roman empire. just like the black people of ulqin. you were brought into the balkan for labor, farming, and other duties -- only difference between you and the black guy is skin color.
"Petar i ja na albanskoj zurci u Ulcinju. Bili smo jedini sa brojanicama i malo smo upadali u oci pa je verovatno to i razlog zasto su nam naplatili dva piva osam eura. Cik probaj da trazis fiskalni racun. Onog momenta kad smo poceli u pesmama da prepoznajemo reci poput Pristina i Kosovo, resili smo da nije vise bezbedno da se sedi. Primeticete da igraju kolo kao Srbi, a i muzika nije nista drugacija. :-)))"
Prvi crnci stigli su u Ulcinj moguce zajedno sa tursko-arapskim pomorcima, gusarima-piratima, kao robovi i sluge na njihovim brodovima 1571. godine, pa i kao robovi i sluge u njihovim porodicama, poslije turske okupacije grada, kada se tu smestaju za stalno 400 berberskih, severno-africkih pirata sa njihovim porodicama.
Ovi novi gradjani Ulcinja, tursko-arapski pomorci, kroz godine, decenije i vekove, grabili su sa obala Afrike (Tripolis – Tarabulus) crnce i prodavali ih kao robove na svom trgu u Ulcinju i po ostalim trgovima Evrope, Azije i Afrike. Mnoge od njih drzali su kao sluge i po svojim kucama, imanjima, pa i po brodovima. Vremenom, od njih su to naucili i nasi, crnogorski pomorci Ulcinja muslimanske vere.
Mnoge robove su i kupovali u bescenje na trgu Tripolisa, pa ih preprodavali na trgu robova u Ulcinju, realizirajuci tako svoju zaradu. Preferisali su malu decu od 3-4 godina i crnce. Za kupovinu robova-crnaca isli su svojim brodovima i do obala Sudana, pa i do Konga. Iz dokumenata saznajemo da se trgovinom crnaca bavio Ulcinjanin hadzija Halil Ficic i njegov rodjak Jakup Ficic, pa Becir Jusuf, Alija Basa i drigi Ulcinjani.
Age Ulcinja gledali su svoj prestiz, ugled i autoritet i kroz broj robova crnaca koje su imali u vlasnistvo. Sto vise robova to su se pravili vise vaznim i mocnijima.
Dana 20. maja 1696 Papin misionar Marin Djino obavestava Kongregaciju da se na trgu Ulcinja nalaze oko 125 robova, zene i deca. Njihov veci deo je delimicno ispracen za severnu Afriku, a delimicno za Istanbul.
Trg robova u Ulcinju bio je najveci i najglasovitiji na Jadranu. Tu su dovodili robove za prodaju sa svih strana Balkana, pogotovo sa primorskih gradova. Kazu da su tu prodali i Servantesa sa njegovim bratom Rodrigom. Iz dokumenata saznajemo da je tu prodat i nas buduci biskup – Perastanin Josip Burovic.
Albanski istoricari, posto pretendiraju da su ovu trgovinu pravili njihovi Albanci, preko svega – posto pretendiraju da su svi stanovnici Ulcinja bili njihovi Albanci, na sve moguce nacine nastoje da romantiziraju i ublaze ovaj nehumani stav Ulcinjana. Tako Hadzibrahimi pise da su Ulcinjani tretirali robove:
“kao clanove svoje porodice, kao slobodne ljude, a ne kao robove. Robinje su rasle kao kceri kuce i udate su redovno dajuci im i prciju-cejzu isto kao svojim kcerkava…Robovlasnici njima su davali cifluke, svoja prezimena i omogucavali su im da stvaraju svoje porodice.”1)
Sigurno da ovo nije istina. Da su ovi Ulcinjani bili tako dobri sa robovima, ne bi cekali crnogorske oslodioce grada da im se crncima da sloboda. Oni ni belca nisu oslobodili, kamoli i crnca. Resulbegovici Ulcinja su drzali u ropstvo i svog rodjaka, pomenutog Josipa Burovica, koji – da bi spasio glavu – bi prinudjen da se konvertira i u muslimana. Pa i kad ga oslobodise, pravili su se kao da im je pobegao, jer je sredina bila tako fanaticno i antihriscanski nastrojena, da su drugog Burovica, grofa i kapetana Perasta Grgura Burovica, mucki zaklali u Ulcinju za ucjenu koju je raspisala za njim Mletacka Republika.
Za vreme turske okupacije Ulcinjem ovi crnci nisu imali nikakva prava. Ni elementarna ljudska prava. Njih su stitili samo njihovi vlasnici. Dok su sami ovi vlasnici vrsili nad njima svakojaka nasilja. Oni su ih upotrebljavali ne samo kao sluge, za najteze i najprljavije poslove po njihovim kucama i na imanjima, vec su ih svakako i zloupotrebljavali, silovali njihove kcerke i zene, pa iskaljivali nad njima i svaki svoj bes. Crnac nije smeo ni da pogleda belkinju, dok su belci pravili i vanbracnu decu sa crnkinjama.
Silovanje crnkinja u Ulcinju je bila najobicnija stvar, sto se jasno vidi po izmenjenoj kozi njihove dece, rodjena van braka i u braku. Bilo je slucajeva da je koji najobicniji Ulcinjanin uzeo koju od crnkinja i za zenu. Tako kazu da je crnkinja Zahra, poreklom iz Sudana, dosla dobrovoljno u Ulcinj i udala se za Ulcinjanina, majora turske vojske, hadzija Halil Ficic.
Ali nemamo nijednog slucaja da je Ulcinjanin dao svoju kcerku za zenu crncu. Prvi koji je to ucinio bio je Srbin iz Srbije, koji je posle DSR dozvolio svojoj kcerki da se uda za crnca Rizo Surla.
Oslobodjenjem Ulcinja od turskog ropstva oslobodjeni su i ovi crnci ropstva i proglaseni za ravnopravne gradjane Crne Gore. Tada su neki od njih postali i kapetani brodova.
Godina 1880., kad se definitivno oslobodio grad od turskog ropstva i prisajedinio domovini Crnoj Gori, zatekla je u Ulcinju 100 crnackih kuca, porodica. Svi dovedeni kao robovi i tretirani kao takvi, ili i rodjeni tu.
Tih godina, ne mireci se sa crnogorskim zakonima, pa i oslobodjenjem crnaca, neki su Ulcinjani napustili Ulcinj i presli u Skadar. Sa sobom su poveli i svoje crnce. Tako je Beto Djul poveo sa sobom 8 crnaca, dok je Mehmet Beci uzeo sa sobom 5 crnaca. Isto tako i mnoge druge turske i albanske porodice, ako ne i koja nasa – muslimanska.
Na brdu Pinjes, iznad Ulcinja, nalazi se i poljana, zvana Arapsko polje. Tu su se sastajali ovi crnci i igrali svoje ritualne igre. Vezano sa tim igrama nastala je temperamentna igra “Saraveli”, tipicno africkog melosa i ritma, koja se i danas rado igra i gleda.
U to doba oni su u podgrad imali i svoju posebnu kafanu, zvanu “Trumo – kafana”, pa i “Arapska kafana”, jer su njen vlasnik i posluga bili arapi, kako nazivaju crnce nasi Ulcinjani.
Naravno da je ova njihova ravnopravnost bila prividna. Tek posle DSR, kad se u Ulcinju uspostavlja narodna vlast, ovi ce se crnci, a posto su i sami lili krv za tu vlast, osetiti stvarno ravnopravni. Tako ce crnac Rizo Surla ozeniti Srpkinju, sa kojom ima i decu.
Srbo-Crnogorcima su ovi crnci, u znak zahvalnosti za nevestu, koju su im dali za Riza, poklonili jednu divnu anegdotu.
Kad je vec rec o Rizu i anegdoti, evo da nevedem ovde i nju:
U jednoj borbi partizanske jedinice, medju tolikim Crnogorcima, rani se i crnac Rizo Surla, iz Ulcinja. Odvedose ga odmah u partizansku bolnicu i dadose mu prvu pomoc. Jovanka, supruga Josipa Broza Tita, podje da obidje ranjenike te bolnice i, kad vide Riza, iznenadi se.
-Odakle ste vi, druze ranjeniku?- upita ga ona.
-Iz Ulcinja,- odgovori mu ovaj.
-Gde je taj Ulcinj, u kojoj drzavi Afrike?- upita opet Jovanka.
-Nije u Africi, drugarice Jovanka! – rece joj Rizo.
Jovanka se za cas zamisli, pa opet upita:
-A sto ste vi po nacionalnosti?
-Crnogorac!- rece joj Rizo ponosno.
-Hm!- opet se zamisli Jovanka, pa nastavi: – Nisam znala da su Crnogorci crnci! Mislila sam da su belci, ovako, kao mi!
Ukrstavanjem crnkinja sa belcima i belkinja sa crncima stvorila se u Ulcinju jos od vremena i kategorija meleza.
Ovi su se crnci prozivali po prezimenu svojih vlasnika. A posto su im vlasnici bili muslimani, obavezno su i oni prihvacali muslimansku veru. Preko ove vere podlozeni su i oni albaniziranju, kao uopste i svi drugi muslimani. Neverovatno, ali je istina: danas imamo i crnaca koji sebe nazivaju Albancima. Ipak, vecina od njih, svesni svog africkog porijekla, nazivaju se Afrikancima, ma da Albanci nece ni da cuju za to. Za njih su i crnci Ulcinja Albanci.
Very fascinating stuff! Doesn't surprise me how the Albanians mistreated the blacks and basically acted like KKK in Ulcinj! And then today try to claim them as "Albanians"
dukeduka: There is a philospher stone being found inside the Serbian and Greek Orthodox churches. It can convert Sarmatians into Thracians just by a touch associated by a simple spell. Abrakatabra jot eme me kemb ta hapma.
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rex362: uz....you have to stop reading the bs from Ardian Klosi and Fatos Lubonja
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Balkaneros: everything I post has nothing to do with them you're a child kicking and screaming just look how you go ape s**t in every Kastrioti thread like you bounce off walls... lol its entertaining
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rex362: and the child keeps you coming back
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Balkaneros: For George Kastrioti
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kartadolofonos: Georgios Kastriotis is a stolen Hero by Albanians
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kartadolofonos: He himself said he was a Greek & had Greek progenitors like King Pyrros of Epirus.
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Balkaneros: if Skanderbeg isn't an authentic Albanian that what is ..--** (ponders rex)
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rex362: Uz ......Nikolić asks Turkey "not to lobby for Kosova" wtf man ahahhahhahahaahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha
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rex362: thats like kosova asking russia not to lobby for serbia
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Balkaneros: that's not comparable at all, Turkey created what we call today; albanians. With Russia or without Serbs are still around.
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rex362: Uz ....didnt you srbs ooze out of russian anus ?
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