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Post by terroreign on Sept 19, 2008 18:15:37 GMT -5
There's a difference between loving tito and calling yourself a Yugoslav and claiming Yugoslavia to be your mother country.
I can quote you saying you used to love the Red Montenegrin flag and declared ethnic Montenegrin as your father does. So much for your loyalty to anything or anyone!
More accurately Tito's regime SUPPORTED the Montenegrin ethnicity, but they did not "create" it whatsoever, which is why Montenegrins were declaring as ethnic Montenegrins much before 1945. Tito understood the Montenegrin mentality that "Serbian" for them was a religious term and that Montenegrin is their national and ethnic name. And in the communist system, without religion, Montenegrins have no connection to Serbs.
This is where you and your mentally-challenged chetnik friends get confused and misunderstand the ethnic Montenegrin poet Njegos.
So? I hooked up with a Serb chick in Montenegro as well, banged her brains out, doesn't mean she's the most beautiful in the world..
I must admit though, Jankovic has nice legs
Listen, Ljubokara, Linguistically Montenegrins are closest to Croats, Religiously closest to Serbs, genetically closest to Albanians. But that doesn't mean we stem from any of them, more likely that they stemmed from us.
I find it sad and pathetic that a person who obviously hates Montenegro and Montenegrins so much can spend so much time talking about it.
Being of 'Montenegrin origin' and being 'Montenegrin' are two different things. One implies having a distant partial ancestry which the person does not feel necessarily connected to, the other implying a direct bloodline hailing from Montenegrin tribes.
Just please stop with your theories....thinking is not your strong-point
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Post by radovic on Sept 19, 2008 18:43:51 GMT -5
I'm not going to post census results but you'll claim some bullshit along those lines. But this is idiotic, given that in 1766 the Montenegrin Orthodox Chhurch was created because of the abolishment of the Pec PAtriarchate (i.e. the Serb church) by constantinople in order to serve the interests of the Serb community in free Montenegro. Now, if their church was official called MOC, why would they call themselves serbs.
Lol, look at the following quotes: In the letter to Superior of Kotor, Justinian Bert, on 24 October 1756, Montenegrin Chieftains say WE ARE OF THE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN FAITH AND LAW OF THE EASTERN CHURCH, OF THE HONORABLE AND GLORIOUS SLAV-SERB KIN.
Clearly in 1756 they associated with the Serbs. Notice how they don't use the word Serbs in religous terms.
According to "paragraph 92" in the code of Prince Danilo, established 1855:
"Although there is no other nationality in this land except Serb nationality and no other religion except Eastern Orthodoxy..."
about Serbdom:
"...of our homogenous Serb nation. the Montenegrin prince has, in his heart, carved sense of love and devotion not only towards his people, but towards entire Serbdom and everything named and called - Serb."
This is where an idiotic historical revisionists gets confused and misunderstands the Serb-Montenegrin poet Njegos.
No, linuistically they are closest to the inhabitants of Hercegovina. The inhabitants of Hercegovina are Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks.
Religously closest to Serbs.
Genertically closest to Serbs. Given that the "Albanian" genetics are mostly linked to a few tribes and that the Montenegrin contribution to Albanian genetics are 0%, while 40% of Serbs have Montenegrin origins.
So Terro, you admit that it's sad and pathetic that you post as a Montenegrin.
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Post by SuperAlbanian on Sept 19, 2008 19:38:00 GMT -5
Terro, Thats the truth, I know you can't handle it but yes...
Imagine you think!?! Now, that would be dangerous! very dangerous!
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Post by ljubomir on Sept 19, 2008 20:14:47 GMT -5
More accurately Tito's regime SUPPORTED the Montenegrin ethnicity, but they did not "create" it whatsoever, which is why Montenegrins were declaring as ethnic Montenegrins much before 1945. Tito understood the Montenegrin mentality that "Serbian" for them was a religious term and that Montenegrin is their national and ethnic name. And in the communist system, without religion, Montenegrins have no connection to Serbs. This is where you and your mentally-challenged chetnik friends get confused and misunderstand the ethnic Montenegrin poet Njegos. hahahaha You're deluded. Njegos was a Serb, always was and always will be, no amount of bullsh it propaganda can change this. I love the argument that the whole Njegos dynasty used "Serb" as a term for orthodoxy, it's just so ridiculous, it's pretty sad really lol.. Anyways, I'm done arguing with a siptar... You proved to us all that you're a siptar over and over again, and you just laid icing on the cake with that comment that Crnogorci are closest to siptari genetically..
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Post by gavrilo on Jul 24, 2009 0:17:27 GMT -5
i've just read this whole thread, and i have come to the conclusion that krivosije, or terropicka as you call him (lmao) has serious insecurities and is quite the historical revisionist, as Radovic said. Krivosije has said so many ridiculous things, its pretty funny.
to his credit, i was in CG last month, in budva, and i saw that many of the montenegrins thought of themselves as montengrins, and not as serbs. that is sad, that people are being misled. I heard its differant in kotor though.
Hopefully the Serbs as a nation can regroup and fix this mess, but i think it will take time.
i enjoyed reading the thread, i learned alot. thanks to the albo's, croats, serbs, and lmao montenegrins. and kapetan too, who is probably the fairest of all. atleast in this thread =)
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Post by terroreign on Jul 24, 2009 1:19:38 GMT -5
What was the purpose of your post? To make a personal attack against me? Why don't you stop trolling and provide input to topics.
By the way, Kotor was one of the initial beacons in the 1990's for Montenegrin independence.
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Post by Nikola on Jul 24, 2009 8:36:39 GMT -5
Ofcourse montenegrins are half albanians, why denmy it? everyone knows it... Albs in Ulcin are especially tall! Your logic is flawed. If most Montenegrins are tall, and only some Albanians from near Montenegro are tall, doesn't that mean that (those) Albanians are actually Montenegrins? And not the other way around?
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Post by donnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:59:20 GMT -5
SA's logic is indeed flawed, not because of your point, since tall stature among Albanians isn't restricted to people in Ulqin and near Montenegro, but simply because it cannot be seen as an indicator of ethnicity, since stature can depend regionally. People from Sumadija are characteristically short, the natives that is and not the Montenegrin newcomers, while Serbs from the dinaric mountains (Croatia, Bosnia or Montenegro) are generally taller.
The closeness between our peoples in terms of traditions and mentality where it is absent among other Slavs is the real reason behind some theories that Montenegrins aren't anything but locals who've adopted the Slav speech ... i.e. natives without substantial Slavic admixture. This may be true, but it doesnt change the fact that the Montenegrins are ethnic Slavs today ... and their identity is what they make out of it, what they decide to identify with. This is smth we must respect, but Serbs too need to respect if some Montenegrins do not consider themselves as Serbs. It isn't just an artificial decision to distance themselves from a people they have cultural and linguistic ties to, but a local identity embedded in their psyche over the years the two geographic entities were politically separated. In some, this local identity is more rooted ... these are generally the ones who identify themselves as Montenegrins; usually they belong to the tribes confined to what was formerly known as Old Montenegro, centered around Cetinje. Others, in particular those from Brda, a region which entered the Montenegrin union under the Vladika considerably later (Kuci as late as 1876-78), don't identify as strongly with this Montenegrin identity, and therefore they view themselves as "geographically Montenegrin, ethnically Serbs".
Neither is wrong or right. People who consider themselves Montenegrins have the right to do so, and it must be respected.
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Post by gavrilo on Jul 24, 2009 20:19:53 GMT -5
i just noticed that you talk a whole lot of nonsense. Your posts seem more slanted than anyone else. its amusing.
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Post by terroreign on Jul 31, 2009 21:27:35 GMT -5
If when you say "nonsense" you mean "ideas that don't agree with mine", and "slanted" as in my posts don't blindly support Serbian ethnic dominance, then yes. Your observation is correct.
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Post by gavrilo on Jul 31, 2009 23:44:41 GMT -5
No, by slanted I mean blatently biased.
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Post by terroreign on Aug 3, 2009 16:09:00 GMT -5
Compared to Seselj and Mandic I'm an angel.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 7, 2010 0:35:25 GMT -5
Do serbian women exist? Because almost all of them are just Gypsy-mixes Montenegrins are pure mediterranean folk, while serbs are more of your gypsy-turko folk like this: LMFAO ;D hypocrisy on Krovasin
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Post by PrijesDardanian on Dec 7, 2010 0:36:51 GMT -5
So serbs are gypsies....and you now claming being of serb proud?...you admired to be gipsy+turk Krivosasin?...
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Post by terroreign on Dec 7, 2010 6:56:06 GMT -5
Serbian =/ Serb
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Dec 7, 2010 7:03:40 GMT -5
difference between montenegrins and serbians, is that the montenegrins who descend from the medieval duklja were originally catholic croats who lived within historic red croatia. Pure Propaganda and Ustasa revisionism.
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Post by Nikola on Dec 7, 2010 9:45:59 GMT -5
Listen, Ljubokara, Linguistically Montenegrins are closest to Croats, Religiously closest to Serbs, genetically closest to Albanians. But that doesn't mean we stem from any of them, more likely that they stemmed from us. I have never followed any of your posts before but when I read your dismissive statement towards Macedonians being simply Bulgarians, I find your defense of a Montenegrin identity distinct from Serbs, Albanians etc, incredibly ironic. It's like you're throwing stones at people from a very fragile glass house.
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Post by terroreign on Dec 7, 2010 15:38:32 GMT -5
^As you can see I've changed my stance a bit on that. I still see Montenegrins as different....like Sicilians are different from mainland Italians
Sorry man about Macedonians....I didn't mean to blanket all of you under Bulgarians but, I can't ignore the realities.
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Post by plisbardhi on Jun 1, 2011 19:46:30 GMT -5
bumped
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Post by crnogoracilir on Jun 12, 2011 7:36:36 GMT -5
Montenegrins are Spartans and the Serbs and Albanians are jealous.
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