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Post by todhrimencuri on Aug 11, 2009 16:43:16 GMT -5
Its interesting. You can find cases of skin-color bias in various Hindu myths. I forgot which one but I remember in one story a man was reputed to take a bride even though she was 'black-skinned'. It has been theorized that the story was originally from IE times when the lighter skinned IE invaders met with the more dark-skinned locals, and created caste systems separating themselves from them.
Somalians do look different from western Black Africans its true, but to westerners its a minor difference. In the movie Black Hawk Down, which takes place in Somalia, the actors used to represent the Somali were clearly western Black Africans. In fact the entire shooting of the film probably took place there. The people in the theater ofcourse had no clue, but those who have seen Somalians and Africans from, say, Sierra Leone, could easily tell the mistake.
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Post by PARIS DIO_MYSUS! on Aug 11, 2009 18:20:32 GMT -5
Logjik what Mysia said was the opposite. He said Black people throw mixed children in the dumpster. Hey leshte, I told you truth for that what the blacks said to me.
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Post by leshte on Aug 11, 2009 21:34:09 GMT -5
There's division based on skin among whites too. Its a human phenomenon and skin is not the only thing that people hate on. People just like to hate on other people for anything. People on top of the hill hate those that live in the valley and those in the valley hate those on top of the hill. There are many stupid reasons why people hate.
Mysia the black person told you that versus I know mixed kids who are half Albanian. Somebody told you something versus what is really happening out there. The thing is that we are no different from the rest. We too will do what everyone before us has done here in the US. We will intermix; racially, ethnically; politically, religiously; regionally etc. I know people in general like to be with their own kind and be around the same culture they have been for millenia etc. etc. however normally people marry because they love someone and love doesn't always go according to plans you made at some point or plans parents have in their mind for you. Sometimes it just happens. Here in the states it happens a lot; in Albania it never never happens since there's no blacks there or at most you'll marry someone from a greek minority there if you live close to their village.
P.S I don't wanna be the devils advocate here but think for a while what the blacks had to endure until very late here in the US. I mean until the late sixties they used to hang them so that the town could have an event during their weekend picnic. Why wouldn't a 60-70 year old black who went through that not have resentment or feelings of racism in him/her?
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Aug 11, 2009 22:16:04 GMT -5
i come from a very patriotic bektashi albanian heritage in a village next to the Frasheri of Permet and Luarasi of Kolonja so u know I bleed albanian and very proud...I would put a wall to my heart if i fall in love with a non-albanian just like my friend did...love is not everything it lasts at max 4-5 years, just a bunch of chemicals in your brain to make you act and do stupid things...i like my culture and i like my genes how we look like, how brave we are...a mixed culture kid wouldn't feel the cifteli lahute or fyel or gernete like we really do...wouldnt feel and understand the struggle that we have been through...i have never seen a half black half albanian kid who was proud...lets leave it at that/...
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Post by leshte on Aug 11, 2009 22:24:00 GMT -5
Yea whatever. That is you and people are not the same. And just because you feel that way that doesn't make you a better Albanian than those who marry outside of their ethnicity or religion. As for love lasting 4-5 years I don't think so. Ask your parents.
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Post by ILIRI I MADH on Aug 11, 2009 23:44:21 GMT -5
my parents and everyone else that i know stay together to raise us, and they are too old to marry others, also they dont want to be divorced and look bad in front of their relatives...
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Post by alb12345 on Aug 11, 2009 23:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by leshte on Aug 12, 2009 0:16:05 GMT -5
Ok, there are people out here in this forum whose parents do love each other and its not all about getting old and raising children. Its not as simple as you make it sound. Making a wall. All I'm saying is that while I like most of you would prefer an Albanian; things in life aren't as simple. None of us knows what the future holds. Some of you are too quick to be judgemental about people who have done what you think now you would not do. Live and let live.
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Post by bato2 on Aug 12, 2009 2:01:50 GMT -5
I am already married to "my gorgeous Swedish wife" ;D I think in this century we live in is quite normal to inter-ethnic marriages I would let my kid decide himself for his own life when the times come
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 12, 2009 2:19:15 GMT -5
Well I agree. If anything, Blacks actually look up to mixed children with White features and white people tend to look down upon these kids. But that's another story............ Yes,exactly.They want to be white,thats why.You may have heard of some movie by some top black director that had a film on this,well its on Black mens preference for lighter coloured black girls
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Post by telemaque on Aug 12, 2009 2:47:17 GMT -5
I do not like it for other Albanians to marry non-Albos, their children usually lose their idendity but I accept...jews who are the more conservatives about that, the more endogam cannot avoid mix-marriages (when the father is non-jewish, the jewish continuity is lost...in theory)...
concerning myself I could marry a non-alb but it doesn't work. no way to support her for a long life...it could probably work with an south-italian but never find one yet...those I met were from North and think only about money, clothes, going to a beautiful party (champagne, special "mezze",...) even if it is annoying (just to say "I was there and I have a social life")...
My current girlfriend is Albanian, and I hope we will marry. The only difference is religion, they are from muslim heritage but do not care, do not pratice...more deist...it is better, we understand each other better (why you are angry? what you like to do or do not support etc).
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Post by hellboy87 on Aug 12, 2009 3:39:39 GMT -5
The same goes for the Somalians I've known. Many of them dont consider themselves 'Black' but rather Araboid; many of them claim themselves to be "originally Arabic" and that they don't feel any solidarity with blacks from Uganda for example. People with lighter skin are usually also preferred in Eritrea ... the same is seen with the caste system in India, or the war in Sudan, where the Arabic-speaking locals and non-Arabs are, to the foreigner, indistinguishable, yet the Arab-speaking ones continuously make racist references to the dark colour of the non-Arabic Blacks of Sudan ... Yeah,Ive read about this too that in East Africa,where the people there,look generally "Black" or sub-saharan African though have longer faces and narrower noses,like too distinguish themselves from those other Africans and discriminate against them. I'm in Malaysia and I often see these Blacks here at the shopping mall I walk through.I can tell they are East African based on their features(Facial) and dress too(the women wear headscarves). I cant remember,in Eritrea or one of those East African countries,there are some or one ethnic group there who are victims of discrimination because they are generally darker. You guys may have heard of Ayaan Hirsi Ali,a Somali,she said when she went to live in Saudi Arabia,her classmates call her and her sister "abid" which means slave in Arabic.And then her Egyptian teacher there even hit her with a ruler and called her Black slave girl. I find it very ironic and very asshole-ish of those Sudanese "Arabs" who are committing genocide on the non-Arabs there.I look at those "Arabs" and they look Black.Generally indistinguishable from the Blacks they are killing. I mean,just look at the Ayaan Hirsi Ali case,she's Somali,and the Arabs are calling and obviously see as her Black. Not sure about India and the relation of caste and skin colour although I have read that those who are upper caste have more lighter skinned Indians.Again,most Indians want to be white too.Look at the mad fawning and gawking and praising of Aishwarya Rai.Just look at the fact that she's India's,like biggest thing there? It says it all.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 12, 2009 3:49:31 GMT -5
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 12, 2009 4:44:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't marry a non Greek lady...as far as these things can programmed...but the sure thing is that if you want to have a regular family you must take a wife from north mediterranean except Greek...thats Italian or Spanish...
A marriage with a Swedish blondy, for example, would be a disaster in most cases...they're only good for a summer in Myconos...
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Post by luarasi on Aug 12, 2009 4:50:31 GMT -5
I created this same thread in the Serbian forum a while ago, but I'm more interested now in the Albanian POV. Would you marry a non-Albanian or would you mind if your child married outside of Albanian? Evolution has worked so hard, and then you marry a Greek or Serb and there goes down billions of years of evolution.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 12, 2009 4:53:44 GMT -5
i disagree...^^^
My mom put up with 6 greek men ( including my dad ). And she did everything for us. I dont think an italian or spanish woman would do that today...no way.
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 12, 2009 5:06:34 GMT -5
i was married to a mexican girl when i was in the states. i was lovestruck, then we almost killed each other by the end of first year of marriage. Needless to say, we got divorced. I also went out with an black girl for 6 months before I left for Greece. I had a great time with her, but it couldnt go any further than that. She already had a kid and i wasnt about to take on someone elses baggage... Then i come here and meet an all greek girl who's roots are from Ilia Greece If you want to keep your kids to marry the same, you really have to go back to the mothercountry.
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 12, 2009 5:16:08 GMT -5
Sorry if I sound offending. I meant that we share the common values with these people that may seem illogical to northern Europeans. I didn't mean that the non-mediterranean mothers don't love their children... For example I think its barbarous to send your parents in their old age in care homes....maybe an Englishman and a Swedish would not see it so weird... What if you have a daughter and her non greek husband doesn't agree to name at least his second child after your name...? He cannot understand what it means...
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Post by chalkedon on Aug 12, 2009 5:23:24 GMT -5
Dont worry Patrine, no offense taken. You are right on what you said anyway... I remember a lot of conflicts growing up ( culture clash ). My mom's family were very " strong ". They would never impose themselves to anybody else or even ask for help. Where my Dad's family was completely the opposite, always voicing their opinions on what is right or wrong and being outspoken ;D
Although to be honest, i really do appreciate my Mom's side more than my Dad's. They were always troopers about things. You'd get a kick in the ass if you looked lazy...If they saw me asking my mom to make me food or get me a drink. They would tell me to get off my ass and get in myself...Not to mention you'd be on your own when you reach adulthood....ahhh the memories ;D
And yes, I dont like sending your grandparents to old homes either. But, I also dont like a couple's life being hijacked by their mom or dad for that matter. You live for today and for your spouse & kids. That is my logic behind it...
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Post by Patrinos on Aug 12, 2009 5:28:45 GMT -5
Ilia Greece ;D
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