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Post by gavrilo on Sept 22, 2009 8:20:20 GMT -5
LEVELAND -- President Boris Tadi? kicked off his U.S. visit by meeting with Ohio Governor Ted Strickland and Senator George Voinovich.
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Boris Tadi? (Tanjug)
Tadi? met with members of the Serbian Diaspora, as well as with officials of the Ohio National Guard, with whom the Serbian military already enjoys cooperation.
The president and Strickland discussed economic cooperation and the possibility of Ohio companies investing in Serbia.
?Ohio plans on investing in alternative sources of energy in Serbia. From my point of view, this is very important for Serbia, which is a pillar for the energy sector in Southeast Europe, and that cooperation and investment could be very significant for Ohio too,? Tadi? said.
?I must stress that I am very pleased with the meeting I had with the governor, and I invited him to come to Serbia and encourage businesses to invest and cooperate, because many Serbs live in Ohio and that should be a bridge for cooperation between Serbia and the U.S.,? he explained.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 22, 2009 8:22:07 GMT -5
Good news for serbia. Of course its all talk for now, but if something materializes, we are going to be in much better shape. And by better I mean politically more than economically.
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Post by Username on Sept 22, 2009 11:56:27 GMT -5
Yeah... cause relations with Ohio is gonna make you boom. seriously, who cares? This is pretty insignificant. Im sure hundreds of American companies have already invested in Serbia.
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Sept 22, 2009 12:56:17 GMT -5
Yeah... cause relations with Ohio is gonna make you boom. seriously, who cares? This is pretty insignificant. Im sure hundreds of American companies have already invested in Serbia. Daj ne seri. Ako te nije briga nemoj da komentrises.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 22, 2009 20:18:51 GMT -5
The more american fdi into serbia from american business increases "coupling" and will hopefully deter the americans from continuing their anti-serbian policies.
They care about their investments more than anything. I would write more but I gtg.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 22, 2009 20:32:04 GMT -5
Also user, before you start mocking, realize that ohio is a swing state, and is a hot-spot for future presidential candidates. This means that a candidate for president is likely to appease ohio then say new york. This is a huge factor. Like I said, if something like this was to materialize, it would only help. The reason I am explaining my opinion on the matter is because many of my serbs are skeptical of american foreign policy, and they should be. But I think in this case, investment is good both economically and politcally.
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Post by radovic on Sept 23, 2009 0:27:13 GMT -5
It seems username doesn't know what networking is and it's importance in modern business.
Well, a few years ago Tadic did the same thing in Chicago. Turns out one of the people attending was a Motorola executive and that a few months later he decided to invest in Serbia.
In 2006, when Vuk Draskovic was FM he attended a similar event in Johannesburg. According to an article I read in Ekonomist [not |The Economist, but a Serbian economic magazine] some time ago on networking. The people who attended Draskovic's meeting ended investing some $50 million in Serbia. [ The current discovery of gold in Serbia by Canada's Dundee Metals is directly responsible to mining concession by a minority Serb who was at the Johannesburg meeting].
Djindjic was the first head of state to visit Microsoft HQ in Remdond, Washington. As a result Microsoft has made quite a few investments in Serbia. With the investments set to increase as Microsoft is set to use space in the Indjija IT Park when completed. Serbia, aside from Hungary, is the only state in the region with significant Microsofr investments.
Who knows how many investments came from this. According to Marko Lopusina in an article citing some economists, as much of 80% of Serbia's FDI.
Anyways. Even developed states do this.
Canada has Team Canada missions from 1994-2003 while John Chretien was Prime Minister. They significantly increased investment in foreign countries and trade with foreign countries aside form America. They were innitially ridiculed, but proved more succesful then anyone expected.
Tadic should be doing more of this. He should be more like Djindjic in this regard, and the model Canada used for this would be a good one to emulate.
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Post by radovic on Sept 23, 2009 0:32:01 GMT -5
Also user, before you start mocking, realize that ohio is a swing state, and is a hot-spot for future presidential candidates. This means that a candidate for president is likely to appease ohio then say new york. This is a huge factor. Like I said, if something like this was to materialize, it would only help. The reason I am explaining my opinion on the matter is because many of my serbs are skeptical of american foreign policy, and they should be. But I think in this case, investment is good both economically and politcally. Ohio posses the hq of quite alot of major corporations. Especially in sectors Serbia needs investments, like energy. This reminds me of twinning. It's common practice for provinces or towns throughout the world to twin. This tends to increase trade and investment between the regions. Since Serbia is not regionalized [ and if it was the regions would essentially be too small to do this, same applies for most Balkan state ] it has twinned it's self with Ohio. Has why the Ohio NG visits Serbia annually and how of all exchanges with the US most are with Ohio.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 23, 2009 5:10:07 GMT -5
Dudes, sorry to intervene, but if Djindjic indeed visited Redmond, then i'd say this was a stupid move. Countries should forget the shiny (but empty) world of commercial software and invest in open source. Take Pyrros' word for it. Commercialness kills innovation and takes away power and knowledge from the nation directly to Redmond, Santa Clara, etc.... Seeing Oracle RDBMS (and not some shitty so called MS SQL-Server) being used in the public sector in BiH was a good thing to see, but the next step is definitely Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Asterix (instead of expensive telephone centers), VoIP, PostgreSQL, Apache,etc... Incredible quality and knowledge for zero cost. Universities should all be running open source software, and many open source in-house developed applications if possible.
If i was president of a country, i'd refuse to see any IBM/Microsoft salesman.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 23, 2009 7:38:37 GMT -5
^ahhhh pyrros now i gotta go google all those words to be able to understand what the heck your saying, ;D. be back in 6 hours with a reply. All i know is that when i go home, everyone is complaing about not having jobs, so ill take anything i can get (i.e. microsoft) for now. Who knows, maybe we become europes silicon valley? ;D (wishful thinking)
from a purely political standpoint, i ttruly beliecve that the US is less willing (and logically so) to give us a hard time in EVERYTHING that we do. Couple that with a flexible administration (obama), and a swing state, and you have a good mix. We are a small country, we have to be smart and efficient. We are small people spread over many countries, so we have to be even smarter to protect ourselves.
But anyway, radovic made some great points. Also the economic term for twinning is "coupling" at least here in the US (in terms of dependency), so our points are similar.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 23, 2009 8:09:56 GMT -5
Gavrilo, Usually, companies like Microsoft will do some investments in countries like Serbia, having first ensured the usage of their technology in the public sector, and much worse .... enforcing their (backwards) technology in schools. If microsoft (e.g.) can "kill" Serbia's ability in building competent IT infrastructure based on state-of-the-art open source software , then they will have an easy time practically owning the country's IT installations and have easier access to sensitive data. The use of "Open Source" is an absolute "must" for any sovereign country. Can you imagine all country's economical, medical, social statistics ... being based on "proprietary" software, written by Indians from Mumbai who never been to Serbia? Can you imagine Serbia, PAYING licenses (about 200 or so euros) for *every* PC in the public sector? for *every* PC in the whole country? 2,000 euros for each server? in the whole country? While you can build 10 times more open source servers with that money, educate small children, (+ buy their milk as well )? Children who will grow up being super competent software engineers or even kernel hackers (in the good sense of the term) No. Serbia, having such a proud computing past, after WWII->today, is one example of a country who should invest in her OWN brains, instead of long term restrictive contracts with overseas companies, who will eventually take (some) control over the country's IT infrastructure. Brasil, Germany, Japan, China, France, (even .... NIGERIA) are fully going open source. Take a look here about RedHat's investment in Vrsac: www.siepa.sr.gov.yu/site/en/home/1/importing_from_serbia/success_stories/it/i'd welcome RedHat any time of the day.
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Post by radovic on Sept 23, 2009 9:14:44 GMT -5
Gavrilo, Usually, companies like Microsoft will do some investments in countries like Serbia, having first ensured the usage of their technology in the public sector, and much worse .... enforcing their (backwards) technology in schools. This is true. When Djindjic came back the public sector adopted their technology. The statement on school is likely to be true as of the end of this school year. Tadic visited HP offices and eventually an executive came to Serbia. HP gave a large amount of hardware to schools and eventually a deal was signed for some investment and HP providing the equipment for schools for free. Anyways. Aside from making Serbia a deumping ground for HP products (which i assume you'll denounce) the deal will surely force Microsoft on schools as the default product. Not yet accomplished. Previous governments [led by Djindjic and later Kostunica] had parties that prevented this from occuring through laws. I don't think the current goverment is as likely to confront Microsoft should it decide to do something like this. I'll take your word for it. I haven't really heard what computer expers have said about it. But I know what they've said in Serbia in this regard -- i.e. encouraging hackspaces, enforcing net neutrality, keeping greater online privacy rights, making Creative Commons the copyright law and the like. I've heard about Nigeria likely having a strong future in IT because of Open Source. The rest I can't comment [except that I've heard that Sarkozy administration is following the American model and surrendering to corporate interests -- the biggest sign being the three strikes your out law Sarkozy wanted <-- if you are caught downloading without paying three times your permanently banned from using the internet]. <-- The law being more subservient to corporate interests then anything in America. Brazil. I've heard it's applied Open Source (i.e. Creative Commons) to corporate laws. Apparently it's having a good impact on culture. I know copyrights kill creativity and innovation in culture. Theirs a documentary called RIP: A Remix Manifesto on the subject. It advocates "open source" copyright laws -- i.e. Creative Commons.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 23, 2009 9:15:56 GMT -5
thanks pyyros, i can definately see where you are going with this. my response to you is, microsoft helped ireland become the "irish tiger" these past few years bc of their low corporate taxes and good deals.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 24, 2009 0:56:22 GMT -5
Radovic, AFAIU CreativeCommons is a meta tool that sits like an umbrella on top of all those open licenses : www.opensource.org/licenses/alphabeticalUnderstanding, the value of the ability for *ANYONE* to review/alter/debug/correct the source code of the programs he uses, is the most important prerequisite for security, efficiency, reliability, productivity. Back in the 80s when the internet was taking shape, ppl used to call free software/open source software as "public domain". Sendmail (mail server) and Bind (DNS-name server) where one the first "Public domain" tools to make Internet a reality. They were free, and with all source code available. The same holds for the first www server : NCSA the ancestor of Apache, back in 1991. Without the openness of the standards (TCP/IP) at first and of the source code itself later, we wouldn't write here today on these forums. Gavrilo, a deal with Microsoft, is like a loan. Promising at first, but really tightening in future. The use of microsoft in schools (i will not even discuss about universities - its a crime) for a country that used to produce a lot of technology and computer equipment is not a wise move. Microsoft was always trailing technology and evolution if not going against it (like with Microsoft Network vs TCP/IP back in 1995). Basically, going with microsoft is a suicidal decision. Of course the use of MS technology in core state sectors (ministries, Military) is even more unacceptable.
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Post by gavrilo on Sept 24, 2009 18:40:32 GMT -5
Red Hat Climbs on Earnings Beat
Sung Moss 09/24/09 - 05:32 PM EDT RALEIGH, N.C. (TheStreet) -- The company with the fancy fedora -- both the trademark hat and the open-source operating system -- saw its shares pop by more than 12% today following a good earnings post on Wednesday.
On Thursday, Red Hat shares were putting on $3.06 at $27.94 in the afternoon.
On late Wednesday afternoon, Red Hat said its sales jumped by 12%, as revenue for the provider of cheaper open=-source options landed at $183.6 million during the second quarter.
"IT organizations continue to move ahead with purchases of high value solutions, and Red Hat is capitalizing on this demand as a result of our strong customer relationships and proven value proposition," CEO Jim Whitehurst said. "These factors contributed to our better-than-expected total revenue in the second quarter, and drove annual subscription revenue growth of 15% for both the quarter and first half of fiscal year 2010."
Profit grew to $28.9 million, or 15 cents per share, as compared to a $21.1 million year-earlier total, or 10 center per share.
Adjusting for one-time items would have brought earnings per share to 20 cents.
According to Thomson Reuters, analysts expected more limited top and bottom lines, centering at 15 cents and $179.1 million in revenue.
Elsewhere, Microsoft shares were gaining 8 cents at $25.79, while Oracle barely slipped into the red by 5 cents at $21.08. -- Written by Sung Moss in New York
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Sept 25, 2009 2:09:48 GMT -5
Great info Gavrilo! But lets understand here that RedHad is a company which sells services based on Gnu/Linux kernel. Great technology, and even greater services, but Serbia's minds could master even cheaper and better technologies (FreeBSD, Debian Linux) and do the maintenance themselves. Serbs, believe me, have *ENUF* brains to do that, and the cost would be only their salaries. Giving 2,000 euro per month to a brilliant Serb engineer, is far better than giving 700 euro to the engineer, 1000 euro to Oracle and another 1000 to Micro$oft.
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