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Post by todhrimencuri on Jun 24, 2009 21:32:10 GMT -5
Avlonyali Bey was the name of Ismail Qemali beys. Perfatkeqsi, nje nga kushuriret i tij ne Stamboll ishte kryeminister gjat kohes te rilindjes dhe doli kunder kombetarizmit Shqiptare. Kur e degjoj qe Turqia kishte shtypur botimet shqiptare dhe kishte cuar ushtar ne Shqiperi dhe Kosove tha "mire qe e beri"... Aj e kishte emrin Avlonyali Mehmet Ferid Bey. Feridi i dha Sultanit Bese qe kur nuk do e tradhtonte. Ne fund te fundit, mbasi kryengritjen kunder Hamidin, aji vdiq... Feridi vet ra i tradhtuar nga Sultani dhe proSultanet... i dhan fajen e suksesit te kryengritjes ne doren e tij. Vdiq si "scapegoat".
Tamam tragjik.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2009 0:51:34 GMT -5
You have some source for this? It'd be very interesting to confirm this. It's fascinating how (don't take offense Toskali, given your changed nick ) some beys' actions worked so much against our national interests, giving rise to a changing demographic reality which resulted in the creation of new minority zones. The Greeks of Dropulli seem to have been in large imported labour; the local beys needed cheap labour to work their lands. In Kosova, there are similiar cases. In Drenica, there were essentially no Serbs excluding the monks in the monastery of Devic. There was no Serbian village. Today, you have the village of Banje, close to Syrigana. The Serbs there descend from Tergovishte, which is a village in Kolasin (Serbia), who were brought there by some local bey to work the land. In 1912, they were the ciftcis of Isa Boletini. The previous inhabitants of Banje were Albanians of the Shala clan, who left the place in 1690 due to the plague (murtaja). They were known as Citak. My maternal grandmother was from that village and descends from those refugees. They named their new settlement "Citak", the meaning of which is disputed; scholars claim it to be either the Turkish word for "fence" or a Persian word for "guardian". There is also a similiar tale of the Serbs of Gorozhdec (Gorazdevac in Serbian). I am unaware if they're raja (locals) or immigrants from Montenegro. A long time ago, a local pasha, probably of the Begolli family, wanted to expel them from the village in question. But the Serbs "bribed" him by giving him a night with a local village girl which the pasha had fallen in love with. They offered him raki and meze, and when time came, left him alone with the Serbian gal. The degenerate pasha had his way and let the Serbs stay (if I am not mistaken, it was their initial reluctance to marry off the girl to the pasha which had angered him). And so the saying goes; "na meten shkijet per nji t'qime t'begut!" and trully the Serbs of Gorazdevac have been some of the worst Chetniks in all of Kosova, As far as I know there is no Kolasin in Serbia... A similar story in Montenegro, many of our Vojvode and Serdari welcomed Albanian families escaping blood feuds in Albania into zones that albanians never inhabited (Tuzi, Gruda, Sestani) and we used them for cheap labor and fighters.
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Post by shejtani on Jun 25, 2009 6:51:58 GMT -5
A similar story in Montenegro, many of our Vojvode and Serdari welcomed Albanian families escaping blood feuds in Albania into zones that albanians never inhabited (Tuzi, Gruda, Sestani) and we used them for cheap labor and fighters. Actually Tuzi was founded by an Albanian and Gruda is the name of an Albanian tribe ...
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Post by shejtani on Jun 25, 2009 6:59:27 GMT -5
Poor Albania ... 150 000 Vlachs, 400 000 Greeks, 30 000 Serbs, 300 000 Macedonians, 100 000 Bulgarians, etc ... this is just stupid ! We will see how many votes will have this Macedonian alliance ...
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Post by Aris on Jun 25, 2009 9:47:36 GMT -5
Poor Albania ... 150 000 Vlachs, 400 000 Greeks, 30 000 Serbs, 300 000 Macedonians, 100 000 Bulgarians, etc ... this is just stupid ! We will see how many votes will have this Macedonian alliance ... I bet only 3.500 !
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2009 15:46:29 GMT -5
A similar story in Montenegro, many of our Vojvode and Serdari welcomed Albanian families escaping blood feuds in Albania into zones that albanians never inhabited (Tuzi, Gruda, Sestani) and we used them for cheap labor and fighters. Actually Tuzi was founded by an Albanian and Gruda is the name of an Albanian tribe ... When you say "an albanian" you mean a guy with a turkish name who you claim to be of albanian ethnicity? Heh and yeah the tribe started calling themselves Gruda after they setting on land with a slavic name...
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