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Post by insomniac on Oct 13, 2009 19:09:18 GMT -5
That's good. Idiots should be isolated.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 13, 2009 19:28:10 GMT -5
Yea, ofcourse. Turkey has been isolating and alienating its darker Muslim side for so long and see how it has exploded in the recent years and all the turmoil it has caused. Do you want that to occur among the Albanian people? Trust me, the potential exists in us as much as in others.
Many things have been revealed since the religious ideal days of Hoxha faded. Realities that we are not so comfortable with have been exposed and we who believe so much in Hoxha's era policies have a hard time accommodating them. We respond with "they are not Albanians, they are Gorani/Bosnians/Torbeshi/Turks/Arabs/Greeks/Shkjas" or "they are paid/they are bribed/they are this or that". Always avoid the central issue at hand with escapist methods. Ignore the issue or transfer it somewhere else, somewhere safer for our mindset.
Alienating and isolating people never works. It will only make the issue worse. They will find new mediums to concentrate themselves and new forms, stronger ones than before. By forcing them on the fringe of society you risk creating a time triggered bomb. This will only work against Albania. Only dialogue, communication and care will work.
I can't argue with you people. You all have skulls as thick as steel when it comes to such issues. Just like the very radicals you despise so much.
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Post by insomniac on Oct 13, 2009 19:38:18 GMT -5
Communication my ass. Albania is not an arab land or a muslim land. From where are they going to create "new forms, stronger ones than before".
Each one of these "new forms" was foreign imported not internally formed. You cut the foreign link, the issue is dead.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 13, 2009 20:01:09 GMT -5
15 years ago it was external. Years later these people came back to Albania, have gotten their education and are ready to disperse it from within. Ever gone to Forumi-Islamik? Literally hundreds of Albanians, vast majority from Kosova or Macedonia, who have some twisted fukin views. The 200 or so videos they make on youtube. You think that is all external? Guess again. Its internal now, its a part of Albania's reality. We are not Arab land, but the majority of Albania is in fact Muslim... www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/22817/
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Post by L0gjICK on Oct 13, 2009 22:05:42 GMT -5
So your saying that this guy, Kristo, was born into a different ethnic group? No, he was born to an Alb family. Ideology is not ethnicity. I was making a point that the Greek minority in Albania hold Albanian Citizenship and they speak Albanian, however, they are not Albanian. My point is it takes more then some external characteristics to be (insert nationality.) The Imam's actions (if true)show he is not Albanian. Whether he's Greek, Bosnian, Serb, Turk, Arab, etc...... makes no difference, he is un-Albanian all the same. People that cannot tolerate different faiths and wish Jihad against their own people have no place in a secular society. If these people wish to practice their religion, that's fine. If they would like to build some mosques, sure. But they shouldn't complain when others do the same, and they should react democratically when someone challenges their ideas. If these actions are consider radical? Then fck them. If arresting an Imam that promotes Jihad is radical, then fck him as well. And yes, these Muslim scholars that have studied out East have caused an Internal problem. However, the financing of these foreigners are the reason why they were able to go to school in the East to begin with not to mention the schools built on Albanian land are financed by the foreigners. Most people can barely survive, yet, there are new mosques and schools being built. Again its more of an external problem. I just wanted to say not all these teachers are "extreme" either. One of my dad's friends studied in Dubai, and he didn't grow a long beard when he came back and he even held some classes at night on Islamic readings. I attended a few of them and they were moderate and informative. There was no hating "Kaurs" (against the Orthodox Slavs in our case) or promoting any sort of Jihad.
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Post by insomniac on Oct 13, 2009 22:16:12 GMT -5
15 years ago it was external. Years later these people came back to Albania, have gotten their education and are ready to disperse it from within. Ever gone to Forumi-Islamik? Literally hundreds of Albanians, vast majority from Kosova or Macedonia, who have some twisted fukin views. The 200 or so videos they make on youtube. You think that is all external? Guess again. Its internal now, its a part of Albania's reality. We are not Arab land, but the majority of Albania is in fact Muslim... www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/22817/Neither Kosovo or Macedonia are Albania. Albania is a seperate country with well established institutions. Who can take care of its external threats. Also, that link to Albania being muslim is not conclusive. There are plenty of other links that will tell you different. We won't know unless there is a nation wide and fair census about religion. Majority would probably choose atheist.
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Post by donnie on Oct 13, 2009 22:20:54 GMT -5
Kjo dega Selefi, a eshte dege e Vehabizmit?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 13, 2009 22:21:21 GMT -5
Neither Kosovo or Macedonia are Albania. Albania is a seperate country with well established institutions. Who can take care of its external threats. [/quote]
Northwestern Macedonia and Kosova are extensions of Albania. To say otherwise is unAlbanian to the extreme and I think should be careful not to say any of the such or anything close to the such around a group of Albanians...
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Post by leshte on Oct 13, 2009 23:01:50 GMT -5
Couldn't have said that better. Get all these radicals and make sure they never see the light of day. I was gonna say Amen to what Logjik stated but I realized that would be the wrong word choice for this topic. ;D
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Post by insomniac on Oct 13, 2009 23:12:23 GMT -5
Melty, my mistake instead of quoting i pressed modify. Which accidentally modified your post.
Anyways
It doesn't matter what our desires are, Albania is a separate country. As such we have to take policies that pertain only to our borders. We don't decide which extremist enters or leaves KS or MAK. A different body and institutions decide that. We have to be realistic to move forward.
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Post by ilirdardani on Oct 14, 2009 14:20:50 GMT -5
Kill the imam, that'll teach them a lesson.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Oct 14, 2009 16:05:41 GMT -5
Kill him? Lol, sounds similar to the radicals. Actually, I bet you he will get a slap on the wrist. And if his sentencing is long, there are more like him around. Forumi-Balkanike vet eshte nje nga faqet muslimane me te madhe ne internet.
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Post by ilirdardani on Oct 14, 2009 17:24:09 GMT -5
Of course kill him, that's how you deal with terrorists. Simple as that.
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