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Post by Niklianos on Dec 18, 2007 20:31:00 GMT -5
Geographically NOT Ethnically!
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donnie
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Post by donnie on Dec 19, 2007 11:08:53 GMT -5
No problem at all. You say you're from the Orestian area? Is that the Adrianople/Edirne territory? Isn't that historically Thrace? Regarding Brailsford's term "Bulgarophone Greeks", he was referring to a special episode when he discussed the origins of the Slav Macedonians with two Greeks (one of which was a bishop). See for yourself; kroraina.com/knigi/en/hb/hb_7_3.html. I think it's the whole work ... ? Concerning the Torlak-Bulgarian connection; it is indeed an interesting subject, one I have discovered relatively lately as I am not a speaker of any Slav language. Torlak is a dialect in decline. having been largely replaced by Vuk Karadzic's Serbian. I am not certain as to what non-Kosovar speakers of Torlak referred to themselves as. I do know, however, that Serbs had to work a little harsh in the Morava Valley to sell the concept of Serbian nationalism. In either case, it isn't so absurd to speak of a closer connection between medieval Serbs and medieval Bulgarians. This was better preserved in the 'Serb' inhabited areas of Kosova, Southern Serbia & Northern Macedonia. Some Slavs of Macedonia might have felt tempted to join their culturally close neighbours of the north. But in general, I must agree with you; Serbian influence aside, the fundament of the Slav Macedonians share the same ethnic and linguistic origin with the Bulgarians. Or to quote my father's debate with a Slav Macedonian who claimed a link to Alexander the Great many years ago; 'you are Bulgarian!'. 'No we are not -- we hail from Alexander the Great'. 'If that is true, show me a Bulgarian-Macedonian dictionary'. 'There is none'. 'Of course, you are Bulgarian and speak that language'. The capricious politics of Tito have done their part, however. I must say that you have made good points though. You have given me a new insight into the issue; the perspective of a more healthy minded, less blindly nationalistic person. Likewise, GreekSlav has shown us both the other side, the side which acknowledge the stupidity in claiming ancient Macedonian heritage; this while simultaneously making it clear they've been brought up with this selfdesignation, and it will not wither away easily. In this quarrell Greece has some advantages. It is economically stronger and politically more influential, being a member of both EU and Nato; organizations FYROM aspires to join in a close future. For your sake though, I fear the tide might change, as growing support for FYROM's claim to its name has risen (US for example). In that case, much effort must be made to atleast change FYROM's perception on the term Macedonia, and that a clear differentiation must be made between Aegean (ancient) Macedonia and the historical legacy which follows, and the modern, demographically Slav-dominated republic of Macedonia.
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Post by philopoemen81 on May 18, 2008 23:13:36 GMT -5
50% from Ignousae (near Xios) and 50% from Arkadia (Asea)
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Post by filomen on May 19, 2008 6:45:17 GMT -5
father side voskopoja (Korçe) /lushnje mother side sevaster(Vlore) /gjakove
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