Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 22, 2009 8:07:09 GMT -5
BTW, Donkey instead of a blog made by a prostitute i would rather believe the actual data from UNHCR: September 2008 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia: 205,861 IDPs in Kosovo: 20,218 July 2007 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia: 206,500 IDPs in Kosovo: 21,000 August 2006 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia: 207,000 IDPs in Kosovo: 21,000 Displaced persons in Montenegro: 16,200 May 2006 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia and Montenegro (excluding Kosovo): 225,150 IDPs in Kosovo: 21,000 31 October 2005 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia and Montenegro (excluding Kosovo): 225,500 IDPs within Kosovo: 22,000 www.internal-displacement.org/idmc/website/countries.nsf/(httpEnvelopes)/686E973CE3C68D65802570B8005AAF6A?OpenDocument
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Oct 22, 2009 8:34:33 GMT -5
What's the deal here guys??? Demosthenes keeps changing the title from FYROMian to Macedonian. The video is titled FYROMian for a start so I'm just repeated that. Do we have to put up with this?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 22, 2009 8:43:35 GMT -5
Arsenije, AFAIK, Demosthenes has been a consistent de-FYROM-ifier and Macedonizer here in the forums Just like in the Greek forum some guys used to edit the term "Makedonia" and substitute with "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" even in contexts referring to times 100 years before Yugolavia was even created... ;D Anyways, these forums are not to be taken too seriously... Few people here are worth a dime.
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Post by donnie on Oct 22, 2009 8:49:51 GMT -5
BTW, Donkey instead of a blog made by a prostitute i would rather believe the actual data from UNHCR: September 2008 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia: 205,861 IDPs in Kosovo: 20,218 July 2007 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia: 206,500 IDPs in Kosovo: 21,000 August 2006 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia: 207,000 IDPs in Kosovo: 21,000 Displaced persons in Montenegro: 16,200 May 2006 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia and Montenegro (excluding Kosovo): 225,150 IDPs in Kosovo: 21,000 31 October 2005 (Source UNHCR): IDPs in Serbia and Montenegro (excluding Kosovo): 225,500 IDPs within Kosovo: 22,000 www.internal-displacement.org/idmc/website/countries.nsf/(httpEnvelopes)/686E973CE3C68D65802570B8005AAF6A?OpenDocumentPycko, though I cannot convince you of the twisted politics of the Serbs as you yourself are equally twisted, I must point out again that the census was made by Yugoslavs (i.e. Serbs) in Yugoslavia, and it showed the aforementioned figure. Why would they deflate their own numbers on purpose? In agreement with Rugova's appeal for boycott, the Albanians did not show up for the census (with the exception of some 9,000 people. In total, people who registered numbered some 359,346 people; minus the Albanians who turned up, you got some 350,000 people or so. Of these, 194,190 declared themselves as Serbs (ten per cent); 20,365 declared Montenegrin (one per cent); 57,758 declared Muslim (Bosniaks, Gorani, others); 44,307 declared Roma; 10,445 declared Turks; 8,062 declared Croats; 3,457 declared Yugoslavs. If this figure of the census conducted by the Serbs themselves do not comply with their propaganda numbers of today, then that is hardly our fault ... but rather the attempt of Serbs at any point to inflate the number of those allegedly displaced. This has probably been done by including displaced non-Serbs as "Serbs" and also including Serbs who left Kosova in the 80s and earlier as allegedly displaced in 1999.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 22, 2009 9:01:28 GMT -5
Your arithmetic of the type, 4 oranges in 1991 - 3 apples in 2002 = X bananas is not in compliance with any kind of explicit logic.
Anyway, so i guess the UN makes up its figures reading ... propaganda? If that was the case, then we would have albs in Kosovo = 10,000,000, dead albs in Kosovo = 2^32 (max integer of the computers of the time - pre 64-bit architectures), Serbs in Kosovo = 0, Muslim deads in srebrenica=300,000,000 etc... Fortunately there is still some (small) amount of common sense in our world..
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Post by donnie on Oct 22, 2009 9:25:50 GMT -5
Not necessarely Pycko; the UN is very reliant on information and documents provided by the Serbian authorities who could easily alter the figures by including people who left Kosova long before 1999, e.g. in the 80s, for economical reasons. Even your source says that "most of the internally displaced people left Kosova 1999"-- most, not all. It also says that most of these are Serbs, though far from all, as a big number of Romas are left unaccounted for.
Either way, even if we were to rely on the innocence of the cited study and its intentions, there's still a major clash between informations. On one hand, Serbian sources and Yugoslav censuses gives us a figure of 194,000 Serbs in 1991, of whom 130,000 were still in Kosova 2002, according to Serbian sources (I must emphasize this, Serbian sources). But then all of the sudden there are more internally displaced Kosovar Serbs than there were Serbs to begin with in 1991. Since you're such a fan of mathematics, Pycko, you can see that it doesn't add up. There is smth fishy here, obviously there's been an intentional inflation of the number of supposedly displaced Serbs from 1999. Who would gain in inflating such numbers? And how could they be inflated? The answers are obvious to anyone with a clue on Kosova's history.
But I guess I am talking to a wall. You're trully a waste of oxygen, accusing others of being prostitutes when you're the biggest d!cksmoker hanging around these forums. The fact that you trully believe or make out to believe the Serbs are entirely guilt-free and innocent and uncorrupted tells loads about you. There's no point in further discussing with you, nothing will come out of it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 22, 2009 9:29:30 GMT -5
Maybe the Roma started to identify as Serbs in order to belong to a stronger group who would better protect them from the wild albanian criminals? Think about it, while you're doing your absurd albanian mathematics.
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Post by donnie on Oct 22, 2009 9:34:40 GMT -5
Maybe the Roma started to identify as Serbs in order to belong to a stronger group who would better protect them from the wild albanian criminals? Think about it, while you're doing your absurd albanian mathematics. Or maybe they just felt at home in Serbia ... think about it.
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Post by L0gjICK on Oct 22, 2009 10:24:26 GMT -5
^ I'll tell you what, l'm extremely suspicious of the numbers of albanians in vardar and kosovo. Who knows what the Albanian population of vardar is because there is some albanians from kosovo who travel to vardar to partake in census', and vise versa for kosovo. Slavic Propaganda. Come to Tetova, Gostiva, Struga, Kercova, Dibra, Kumanova and a good chunk of Shkup and tell me Albanians make 15-20%. Even in the less populated Albanian areas of Prespa and Monastir, Albanians make over 15-20%. Albanians make a majority on the Western side of Macedonia and anyone with a pair of eyes and ears can figure this out. The basic Slavic logic goes as the following: - Western Macedonia is 50/50 Albanians and Slavs -Eastern Macedonia is 100% Slav -Thus, Albanians make up 25% of the population (The average of 50% and 0%.) Unfortunately for the FYROMian and their logic, barely anyone lives on the Eastern Side. Slavic logic at it's finest.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 22, 2009 10:50:40 GMT -5
Precisely. The same happened to me. One of my posts was edited in the same way, I opened a topic about that but this remarkable moderator moved it to the moderators forum.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 23, 2009 1:40:18 GMT -5
Mr Demosthenes, you cannot expect me to be around the FYROM forum anymore when you let utterly dirty insults by Donnie like the below unfiltered and unanswered.
Easy, Pyrros. I have just so much time to cover all areas. One thing at a time, dude. Just remember that you are totally belligerent in many of your posts, when Donnie is scarcely that.
Have fun with Kastorianos,Arxilleas and Basilmakedon, people who truly know things about our slavic neighbors and dont have any prejudice about ex-socialist states ;D
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 23, 2009 3:56:50 GMT -5
BTW Donkey, you said that: "194,190 declared themselves as Serbs (ten per cent); 20,365 declared Montenegrin (one per cent); 57,758 declared Muslim (Bosniaks, Gorani, others); 44,307 declared Roma; 10,445 delared Turks; 8,062 declared Croats; 3,457 declared Yugoslavs." Ok, if we assume a fertility rate of 2 kids/woman for slavs of Kosmet and 4 kids/woman for the roma we have, 194190 + 20365 + 57758 + 8062 + 3457 = 283832 slavs (by today terms) + 100000 roma (again by today terms) = ~ 400,000 NON albos. Now, after 1999 it was apparent that Serbs~Slavs~NonAlbos in Kosovo. (dont tell me that in 2004 pogroms, Croats, Gorani or Roma had any special treatment ...) According to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbs_in_Kosovo about 100000 serbs live in Kosovo. 400000 - 100000 (usually) equals 300000... WARNINGbefore you make any attempt to criticize my numbers, step back a little, calculate how much i inflated the numbers (by your terms) and then COMPARE IT to the "100,000 dead albs" figure by bill clinton... take your time ;D PS Use as much oxygen as you wish... God gives it for free even to donkeys.
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Post by peccafly on Oct 23, 2009 9:04:25 GMT -5
to makedoni.... poouh, skopia ;D
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