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Post by superstar on Nov 2, 2009 0:46:23 GMT -5
A total of 399,849 Croatians, most of them living in neighboring Bosnia-Herzegovina and who have been traditionally allied with nationalists, are to elect up to 12 deputies, depending on turnout, during voting held on Saturday and Sunday.
In the incumbent 151-seat parliament, Croats with no permanent residence in Croatia had six deputies, all nationalists.
The Croatian Diaspora votes in 50 countries at 155 polling stations in the third such ballot since Croatia proclaimed independence from the former Yugoslavia in 1991. Croats living abroad voted for the first time in 1995 polls.
The largest number of polling stations -- 30 -- opened at 7:00 amin neighbouring Bosnia, home to some 300,000 Croats with dual citizenship who are entitled to vote in the Croatian polls. I believe the majority of the diaspora vote outside of BiH comes from Western Europe. North America, South America and Australia have very little influence on the outcome.
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Trazi Vise
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 2, 2009 4:36:13 GMT -5
I was trying to make a point zvone about your closed mind, clearly you didn't get it.
superstar where is that little article from?
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Post by gavrilo on Nov 2, 2009 10:11:06 GMT -5
tv please dont call zvone close minded when you are the leader in that catagory. anyway, he is right, most people living outside of the country have no idea what is going and what is best for the home country. they just think they do and go around criticizing anyone who questions their subjective views. does is sound like anyone? wink wink
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 2, 2009 11:05:46 GMT -5
gavrilo, please do not judge people (ME) when you don't even know who I am, what I do and what my thoughts really are like because you have never ever sat down to talk with me on the net or in real life and thankfully you never will.
I will stress again my view is based on understanding and action (not 1 person can have the whole solution for such major problems facing Croatia and the whole world). Go to many Croatian (yugo) based forums such as index.hr and see what they write about. The major prob with our people is, THEY NEVER EVER LISTEN to views that may oppose their own even if it's presented in a a proper way; they always just talk. To the point where I am embarrassed to associate myself with Croats and Croatia, to the point where I would denounce my affiliation with the country and citizenship. Why should the "outsiders" then care when those "inside" clearly don't. And I'm sorry for the bad language, but complete ignorant drongos at this forum want to cut out all foreign input into a country that clearly cannot function on it's own the way it has for decades. Perhaps the way us "outsiders" think can help propel Croatia into a different and democratic better future FOR EVERYONE. But does Croatia want that? Probably not.
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Post by Zvone on Nov 2, 2009 14:49:05 GMT -5
Well, 'propelling' hasn't worked for the last 18 years. Mostly because these 'different' views aren't so different. They all stem from the same ultra-nationalist root. That's why HDZ and very similar parties have been in power for so long. It's time to let Croats in Croatia decide what's best for their country and not some outsiders who don't even know the language, history, culture, or geography.
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Post by MiG on Nov 2, 2009 14:54:18 GMT -5
^ Hear hear! I agree with that fully, as how I meant if before.
It's time to let the people choose the correct representative, not someone who blinds them with bullshit (False hopes and such) and steals their money.
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Post by superstar on Nov 2, 2009 15:40:30 GMT -5
The majority of the diaspora vote comes from BiH. Probably over 70%. The next largest would come from Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Sweden made up of mostly Croats who were born in Croatia and went there to work in the past decade or so, they still have strong ties to Croatia. In the Americas, Aus, NZ... count for probably less then 10% of the vote. Of that 10% the majority is made up of Croatians who were born in Croatia and came there during the war or shortly after.
I think Zvone is describing Croatians who were born in Canada, US Australia... Very few of those Croatians actually do vote in Croatian elections. I would say .01%. That's just my guesstimate.
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Post by Zvone on Nov 2, 2009 18:00:10 GMT -5
Nope. Most people who live in the diaspora. BiH Croats are the worst perpetrators of this backwards view guided by nationalism and religious fundamentalism.
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Post by MiG on Nov 2, 2009 19:46:11 GMT -5
Not just BiH Croats, but Croats I know in general. Some of the most Conservative people on this planet.
I know a guy who's from Zenica, and he refuses outright to be called a Bosnian Croat, but rather a Hercegovac or a Herceg-Croat. That kinda shit gives me aneurysms.
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Post by superstar on Nov 2, 2009 20:11:43 GMT -5
I think Croats in general have conservative moral views. As for economic views they tend to be more socialist.
I don't believe Croats outside of Croatia should be alllowed to vote unless they own property and/or pay Croatian taxes. Though I believe BiH Croats are special case since there have very strong links between the BiH Croats and Croatia... As for them voting HDZ, I believe it's because HDZ and the right of center parties actually take in interest in them while leftest parties completely ignore them or want some of there Croatian rights removed... Who else would they vote for?
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Post by MiG on Nov 2, 2009 20:40:05 GMT -5
Yeah, Croats in BiH are a special case, that's true. If they get the right party in Zagreb, then Croatia comes into play within BiH politics (Since we don't have our own entity in BiH).
Otherwise, unless they have a Citizenship and are within Croatia less than a month every year.. they have no right voting (Unless owning property and such, as you stated).
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Post by tito on Nov 3, 2009 0:16:55 GMT -5
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Post by MiG on Nov 3, 2009 1:07:16 GMT -5
Mogu li Bosanski Gradjani, oni sto zive u Sjevernoj Americi i Australiji, glasat? Nikad nisam znao dal mogu ili ne.
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Post by tito on Nov 3, 2009 1:34:17 GMT -5
Mogu li Bosanski Gradjani, oni sto zive u Sjevernoj Americi i Australiji, glasat? Nikad nisam znao dal mogu ili ne. Mislim da ne mozete ako ste prihvatili drzavljanstvo Amerike ili Australije.
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Post by Username on Nov 6, 2009 19:04:45 GMT -5
Mogu li Bosanski Gradjani, oni sto zive u Sjevernoj Americi i Australiji, glasat? Nikad nisam znao dal mogu ili ne. Mislim da ne mozete ako ste prihvatili drzavljanstvo Amerike ili Australije. Uhh, I'm pretty sure that's irrelevant. If you have Croatian citizenship, no matter where you live, or what other citizenships you may hold, you should be able to vote.
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Post by MiG on Nov 6, 2009 22:19:56 GMT -5
I was asking about Bosnian Citizens.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Nov 7, 2009 2:59:56 GMT -5
Zvone, there are plenty of "outsiders" including myself, my mother's and father generations and many; many educated individuals whom have been educated in Croatia AND ALSO abroad who speak more than 1 language (or even 3 or more) who are very forward thinking and democratic. This is what I mean by "outsider". Just look at congress in the US and other parliaments of the world and you will find many capable politicians of both national extracts who are willing to further Croatia and what it faces in the future.
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Post by tito on Nov 9, 2009 9:20:38 GMT -5
Mislim da ne mozete ako ste prihvatili drzavljanstvo Amerike ili Australije. Uhh, I'm pretty sure that's irrelevant. If you have Croatian citizenship, no matter where you live, or what other citizenships you may hold, you should be able to vote. LOL, Croatian citizenship wont help you if you have accepted the citizenship of a country which does not have an agreement on dual citizenship with BiH.
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Post by tito on Nov 9, 2009 9:25:02 GMT -5
Predsjednik Hrvatske narodne zajednice: Hrvati iz BiH ne trebaju glasati za predsjednika Hrvatske 09.11.2009 Predsjednik Hrvatske narodne zajednice (HNZ) Milenko Brkiæ poruèio je danas da Hrvati iz BiH ne trebaju glasati na predsjednièkim izborima u Hrvatskoj, te ih pozvao da ne sudjeluju ni u predizbornim aktivnostima u susjednoj državi.
- Hrvati koji žive u BiH moraju pokazati veæu zrelost kada je u pitanju politièki život koji izravno utjeèe na njihov svakodnevni život u BiH, a ne nasjedati na razlièite manipulacije i sudjelovati u biranju èelnika Republike Hrvatske. Hrvati u BiH nemaju isti politièki identitet kao Hrvati u Republici Hrvatskoj. Hrvati u BiH su graðani ove države i ne smiju dopustiti da, dok oni biraju predsjednika susjedne države, drugi se bore i umjesto njih odluèuju o njihovoj sudbini - naveo je Brkiæ u današnjem saopštenju.
On dodaje da se politièka zrelost jednoga naroda ogleda ponajprije u èinjenici poštivanja i èuvanja vlastitoga dostojanstva i identiteta, naglašavajuæi da "vrijeme zanosa drugoga nacionalnoga preporoda prolazi", te da "umjesto emocija, Hrvati u BiH moraju prvenstveno koristiti razum u svojim politièkim odlukama".
- Stoga mi u HNZ-u pozivamo politièke aktere iz Republike Hrvatske i njihove ogranke ili politièke partnere u BiH, da ne lobiraju meðu Hrvatima i drugim graðanima BiH koji imaju državljanstvo Republike Hrvatske i tako pokažu da poštuju suverenitet i dostojanstvo hrvatskoga naroda u BiH - istaknuo je predsjednik HNZ-a.
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Post by CiKoLa on Nov 9, 2009 18:20:34 GMT -5
Hrvati iz BiH ne trebaju glasati za predsjednika Hrvatske
Nitko ne treba glasati ... al onaj tko zeli glasati ima PRAVO zajamceno ustavom Republike Hrvatske!
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