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Post by Kanaris on Nov 7, 2009 18:59:53 GMT -5
Good post ,Lesthe.... I can't say nothing but fully agree with you.
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Post by leshte on Nov 7, 2009 19:03:06 GMT -5
Can you clarify who's the cancer and who's the arse zit. Are you insinuating that a dead child is an a$$ zit because she is an Albanian Cham while if she was a Greek the gravity is comparable to cancer?
I don't know what to say but when I read some of the stuff in these forums I realize why so many horrible things have happened in the Balkans. The total lack of care for innocent victims is appalling; no matter the ethnicity. When I say forums I mean every single forum in the Illyria boards. An innocent victim is an innocent victim no matter if he/she is a Serb, Albanian, Greek or any other ethnicity. All of us should at least have the decency to feel a little bit of remorse every-time an innocent person suffer.
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Post by donnie on Nov 7, 2009 19:05:46 GMT -5
They were colonists who had usurped land during the interwar period, including my family's land. Come on... if they had came...did the nazis knew who were they...?...kosovars used the nazi, friendly to them, occupation to get rid of the Serbs.... simiraly with what Chams intended to do in Thesprotia...but we knew Chams... ...in the same logic albanians who have moved to Kosovo from other areas could be kicked....ok?...unless you mean that all the non albanians were colonists because kosovo was...dardanian.... ? Everyone used Nazi presence and the chaos which followed to pursue ambitions. Chetniks for instance were aided by Germans againt Albanians on several occasions, like in Sanjak and elsewhere. It wasn't one-sided. Not to mention the heinous crimes and massacres committed on Bosniaks in Bosnia and Montenegro under the command of Pavle Djurisic and others. And no, not all minorities in Kosova were "colonists", nowhere did I say that. But a great deal were; in the inter-war period, 1918-1939, especially after 1924, a great number of Serbian settlers from the rest of Yugoslavia were distributed land in Kosova taken from locals so as to shift the demographic composition into the Slavs' favour in a process of Agrarian reforms. This was also followed by the arming of these settlers who were given lands in strategic places to control and oppose the kacak movement. We're speaking of some 13,000 families, mostly Serbs from Serbia & Montenegro. These were the ones who were kicked out in WWII, because they were settled on confiscated lands of kacaks. To illustrate, in Drenica, my family's land was confiscated and settled with Montenegrins who created a new village that didnt exist previously, called Kraljica. This was in Drenica where there previously had been only one Serb inhabited village, that of Banja. When time came and there were no local gendarmes and military to enforce the continuity of unjust colonization and exploitation, naturally the locals chased away the colonists and took back their lands. Much like earlier, local Serbs or "raya" weren't touched, in agreement with the regulations of the Kosova Committee mentioned by Tosku and followed by the kacaks.
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 7, 2009 19:07:30 GMT -5
I simply dont buy you your recent appearances as Samaritan in here. Go fooling someone else.
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 7, 2009 19:11:25 GMT -5
Leshte you are talking about another phase and place. The great famines took place in 41-42(mainly) in the urban centers especially in Athens, were Germans confiscated all the food resources for their occupation army... and forced the puppet "government" to take a huge loan by the German state that would be used from Germans themselves............... ten marshal plans could not equal the damage.... You are possibly talking about commies in late 40's... When we are talking about civilian victims, its sad, especially when we talk about numbers of victims...and talking about numbers , you can't put 200-300 losses of civilians in contrast with about 400-500.000 victims.... all were lives but...
And you would neither be less patriot if you say..yes... Chams collaborated with the occupying forces and "helped" in atrocities against the local Greek population.... or that Kosovar under Nazi protection "deported" tens of thousands and killed hundreds of Kosovo Serbs...
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 7, 2009 19:16:05 GMT -5
Donnie I suppose you know the history of the Chams and their relation with the turkish rule... they were occupational power in Thespotia on behalf of Osmanlis... and thats why they've gained such beyliks....
If you are so interested in the less than 20.000 Cham deportation you must be cared about the Serbs who were pushed out Kosovo under Nazi supervision and Albanian acting...
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Post by Kastorianos on Nov 7, 2009 19:16:35 GMT -5
as I said...arse-zit...vs cancer.
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Post by macmako on Nov 7, 2009 20:48:27 GMT -5
As usual Teddy read up on some 'code' these guys had and he swallowed it up right away. Demo.... have you any sources that say Thessaloniki was home to thousands and thousands of cats, other than your father? From my father, and his friends in Thessaloniki, who were there during the war. They say that cats were everywhere in Thessaloniki before the war. It was especially difficult for Greeks in occupied Greece controlled by Nazi's, in Northern Greece (Thessaloniki), and Athens (the rest of mainland Greece were controlled by Italy (South) and Bulgaria (Thrace). I value personal experience of my father and his friends over internet links and websites any day.
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Post by Kassandros on Nov 7, 2009 21:07:29 GMT -5
My father tells me that prior to the war, Thessaloniki was home to thousands upon thousands of cats. After the war, the cat population had twindled to almost nothing. To survive, the people of Thessaloniki ate them. Delicatesen?
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Post by danceswithpoodles on Nov 8, 2009 7:39:00 GMT -5
Sorry to go off topic but I was with Bollano last night. We were conspiring.....yes we were.
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 9:51:50 GMT -5
Donnie I suppose you know the history of the Chams and their relation with the turkish rule... they were occupational power in Thespotia on behalf of Osmanlis... and thats why they've gained such beyliks.... If you are so interested in the less than 20.000 Cham deportation you must be cared about the Serbs who were pushed out Kosovo under Nazi supervision and Albanian acting... Invalid comparison. Cams had been living in Cameria long before their forced deportation, and during the Ottoman period they were ruling a stretch of territory they had controlled before the Turks came. Cameria was the only home they knew. The Serbs who were chased away on the other hand were first generation colonists. Even so, if we go by this premise, I am sure you won't hold it against us getting rid of the likes of Bollano and his Greeks? That's the name of the game, isn't it? Infact, force doesn't even seem necessary, as the Greek minority is dwindling as we speak. An unproportional revenge, but still a little sweet nonetheless. Infact, I am contemplating the buying of property in Bregu, preferably so that I become neighbour with Bollano. That would be cool. And the previous owner must be Greek. That is a condition. Blasting Lab music dedicated to Ali of Tepelene ;D
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 8, 2009 9:55:41 GMT -5
Voreioepirotes have a thing with their homes... even if they work here they buy and build houses there...
And the day you will go to Himara and try to kick Himariotes out... take a videocamera with you...we must watch it...
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Post by donnie on Nov 8, 2009 10:21:57 GMT -5
That wont be necessary. theyre kicking themselves out. That way, they cant even accuse anyone of their own demographic demise.
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Kanaris
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Post by Kanaris on Nov 8, 2009 10:49:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't mess with a Himarioti,they have the contempt of a Greek and the stubbornness of an Albanian..don't mess with them...
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Post by leandros nikon on Nov 8, 2009 12:43:25 GMT -5
A whole population of about...20.000 people!!! ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Nov 8, 2009 13:20:15 GMT -5
I wouldn't mess with a Himarioti,they have the contempt of a Greek and the stubbornness of an Albanian..don't mess with them... Wrong. They have the obesity and diabetes of*greek and the poverty of an Albanian. Not exactly two good mixtures. Lol... look at Bollano, do you think we are afraid of a round sack of blubber? ;D On the contrary, the Himariots are terrified of Albanians. That is why they were asking for Greek police years back. anyway, I dont see what relevance this has, please continue with the funny photos.
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Patrinos
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 8, 2009 13:31:31 GMT -5
A whole population of about...20.000 people!!! ;D 20,000 that multiply geometrically... in two generations they've become hundreds of thousands ;D Something less than 1.700.000 Greeks had been deported from their paternal homes only in 20th century... ( Minor Asia, Pontos, Thrace, Bulgaria, Constantinoupolis, Alexandria etc....)
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