Rhezus
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Post by Rhezus on Nov 12, 2007 17:17:39 GMT -5
Ruse, get rid of that attitude. One thing I'm quite sure about - addressing ppl like you do shows a lot about who you really are. Others could also sit and come up with funny comments about you (but that's obviously your tactics..) and there you often lose. You're trying to give other direction to all discussions here and that's not right. Not long ago you were trying to gety me out by asking Aadmin to withdraw my mod status etc. because you had no abilities to discuss. The goal of a forum is discussions, not attacks! P.S. And you have still not given any facts about the Turkish terrorist attacks I was asking you about. What happen to these ppl and what proof do you have that all that is true?
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Post by Kubrat on Nov 12, 2007 20:40:54 GMT -5
rhezus, are you dening that such an act occured? you are quite biased, and far from objective. you constantly insult your country for its deeds, and scrutinize it when it's a victim, you are an emberassment.
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Post by yahadj on Nov 13, 2007 2:50:29 GMT -5
Listen guys! Don't get me wrong. I am not defending what Ottomans did to you. Well, basically that is why they collapsed. Not a brainer!
Each nation gets its chance in the history. If you utilize it nicely you maintain your power for longer time. Some nations are luckier because their population is bigger and they have military skills coming from their culture. That makes them difficult to defeat. And some are better in other aspects - like agriculture, science, finance and technics, even religion. As the time goes by the importance of those qualities changes too. While military skills were of great importance in the glorious past, after the renaissanse art and science became more important. The religion of medieval times lost its power, as well. Now it is the financial circles that rule over countries. So things change because that is the nature of things.
The Ottomans were at the height of their might some 300-400 years ago and represented the super power of the world at the time. However that didn't last long. Afer Westerners discovered an access to the new world- the gold of Americas changed the balance in favor of Europeans. Basically the material gains of colonialism fed the rise of Renaissance in Europe. As the tummies got fed brains started working. The souls craved for arts, as well. As the wealth increased new class of traders , merchants formed. Then all that gold needed to be secured in banks , so that is how the class of bankers emerged. As those new class people got wealthier they can't resist the temptation for more power. But monarchs and aristocracy were a headache. Burgoisie didn't hesitate to organize in secret societies (mostly masonic) in order to coordinate their plans. Then French revolution, nationalism, eventually all -ism's followed.
In those circumstances Ottomans couldn't compete with the creative power of Western individualism. The lust for more wealth and power wiped out the monarchies. During the renaissence the trade across Ottoman lands decreased because new alternative by-passing routes were implemented by Europeans. Ottomans lost their chance and completed their lifespan...
But all other following powers also aimed the same thing total power over Balkans. Ottomans in that sense are not that different form Russians or British, French, and now EU and USA. So chill out bratleta, the Turks won't get you! Relax...
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Post by yahadj on Nov 13, 2007 3:20:04 GMT -5
My Albanian friend, I believe you had enough time to build your trade routes in independant Albania for the past 100 years. Did we see that happening? Your Enver hoja didn't do better job, so please, not everything is Ottomans fault... And not everything is material gain, as well.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 13, 2007 3:33:07 GMT -5
What do you want me to say, Mongrel Turk wanna-be? Just try to remember the fact that you were the one who claimed that numbers presented were incorrect. I am still waiting for you to provide with the correct figures if you have any.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 13, 2007 4:56:05 GMT -5
But Yahac what you forgot is that the Otoman did not industrialise in the 18/19th century, while Western Europe did, and this meant that subjects in the Otoman Empire had a much lower quality of life than their Western counterparts, and their lives were fairly backward compared to Western Europeans. (I am only talking about 18th century onwards, when nation-states were being in their conceptual phase.) I guess the more educated elites wanted change to a better quality of life, and this is primarily why they wanted to be free of the Otoman yoke. So leave your conspiracy theories aside please Yahac! The Ottomans had their local industries until the mid 18th Century. That is why, long before the Industrial Revolution, they succeeded to introduce their own rockets, naval and siege cannons, professional infantry units with fire arms, its own observatories, the first technical university in the world, public hospitals for mentally ills (when they used to burn such "devils" in Europe), the vaccine for smallpox, written procedures for setting the production standards of certain goods, man-made gliders (flying from one continent to another), and so on. Within the Ottoman borders, there was never a famine like it did occur in Ireland, or there were never deliberate extermination campaigns targeting the locals like the Europeans did in India, Australia, China, Africa, North and South America. In fact, the Ottoman Power was based upon trade, craftsmanship, and peasantry rather than colonialism. That is why, when the Europeans practiced and then developed new capital accumulation methods (some raw forms of modern capitalism) in their colonies, the Ottomans could not cope with its impact as they did not have any colonies to exploit.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 13, 2007 5:31:44 GMT -5
I still think you are the most undeserved moderator in the Bulgarian forum. The Turkey forum is the place for you to exercise your moderator's rights, not here. And I want you removed not because of some inability to discuss. You hate Bulgaria, therefore you are not fitted to be in charge. Got it now? Besides, what do you mean by discussion? I asked you year ago several basic questions about Bulgars. I repeated them several times from then on. You still haven't given a proper answer. Is this your idea of a discussion?
Go to page 1 of this topic and stop repeating crap. Edlund has given you enough to read and see.
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Post by superman on Nov 13, 2007 6:15:25 GMT -5
Nobody here hates Bulgaria Ruse, don't be fool.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 13, 2007 6:23:35 GMT -5
Nobody here hates Bulgaria Ruse, don't be fool. I agree. On contrary, I believe that people (visiting this forum) like Bulgaria and the Bulgarians.
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 13, 2007 6:33:01 GMT -5
I still think you are the most undeserved moderator in the Bulgarian forum. The Turkey forum is the place for you to exercise your moderator's rights, not here. And I want you removed not because of some inability to discuss. You hate Bulgaria, therefore you are not fitted to be in charge. Got it now? I do not agree with anything you say. In my humble opinion, Rhezus is quite a moderate person and deserves to be the mod in the Bulgarian Forum.
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Post by rusebg on Nov 13, 2007 14:26:52 GMT -5
In your opinion, which is irrelevant when it comes to the BG forum.
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Post by superman on Nov 13, 2007 15:00:52 GMT -5
no, my opion, Janny's opinion is strongly relevant here. Otherwise you would be just 2-3 people.
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Rhezus
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Post by Rhezus on Nov 13, 2007 15:26:57 GMT -5
Ruse, you are such a waste of time.. I can only laught at you. The only thing you know is making quarrels (if someone do not agrees to what you think is right). I wonder why Aadmin do not give you a tittle: "commanding moderator".. ;D
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Post by superman on Nov 14, 2007 0:04:33 GMT -5
I can reply you Rhezus, but I'm afraid I will be consored...;D
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Post by Rhezus on Nov 14, 2007 5:45:21 GMT -5
I can reply you Rhezus, but I'm afraid I will be consored...;D Bonni, don't ever be affraid to say what you think! If you think you've been treated wrong, turn to Aadmin and explain. I think Ruse is wrong if he doesn't talk with you first.. (before deleting).
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Post by depletedreasons on Nov 14, 2007 7:25:05 GMT -5
In your opinion, which is irrelevant when it comes to the BG forum. As Superman says, it is relevant as I am one of the participants of this forum.
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Post by Illyrian_Bosniak on Nov 14, 2007 8:02:56 GMT -5
THE POMAKS ARE NATIVE BALKAN PEOPLES (E.G THRACIANS) ASSIMILATED INTO SLAVIC LANGUAGE. THE AREA OF "BULGARIA" BELONGS TO THEM.
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Post by ioan on Nov 14, 2007 8:10:22 GMT -5
Can somebody delete "Iliryan" bosniak comments?
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Post by superman on Nov 14, 2007 9:19:27 GMT -5
have you seen now we're like a Club here? nice, very nice, what can we ask for more?
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Post by Rhezus on Nov 14, 2007 13:38:00 GMT -5
THE POMAKS ARE NATIVE BALKAN PEOPLES (E.G THRACIANS) ASSIMILATED INTO SLAVIC LANGUAGE. THE AREA OF "BULGARIA" BELONGS TO THEM. Bosniak, the population of today Bulgaria have mostly Thracian origin - not only pomak ppl. Some guys are still confused here, thinking that after establishing a Bulgarian state (681AD), we change our genes to steppe Bulgars (which is radiculous). I was talking with many ppl in BG about that (all of them Bulgarians) and they come to same conclusion, we are native to these areas!
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