ioan
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Post by ioan on Jun 7, 2008 6:43:08 GMT -5
Haha... It was borrowed, indeed - from the Chinese.. but the words were written, in turkic by the bulgars. Did they borrowed the speech too?! You are as much confused and ashamed as most of BG historians. To hide and change true origing is imposible. There are always sources and historians from around the World to reveal it. So u cannot imagine that the turkic people took the calendar from the chinease, then named the months, then the bulgars adopted it with the names, given by the turcic nations? Its a hipothesis, but its not imposible. And the origin of the bolgars is far from certain, i m objective here, i wouldnt be ashamed if they were chinease, because i m not racist. as u shouldnt be if u are bulgarian. bulgarians have never been racist, I think its due to the ottomans yoke.
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Rhezus
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 7, 2008 7:16:06 GMT -5
Good hipothesis.. if you'd still want to hide the truth. Haha.. The origin is very likely to be only one. And that was not Chinese, let's say it was Turkic. Do you think due to the Ottomans, Bulgarians still have problems with certain things, i.e. origin of bulgars?! And once again.. I am Bulgarian and I can handle it! Khan Asparoukh Shapka of a Bulgar khan!
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Post by rusebg on Jun 8, 2008 17:38:05 GMT -5
Janni, of all people in this big colourful world, you are the one who is not capable of any progress. This is not a surperise, though, knowing what sort of mongrel you are. So keep on posting.
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Post by depletedreasons on Jun 9, 2008 3:54:15 GMT -5
Janni, of all people in this big colourful world, you are the one who is not capable of any progress. You used to call me "Mongrel" some years ago, and you do the same even today. Awesome progress, I must admit! I am a Karachay-Balkar, not a Danube Bulgarian like you, Ruse.
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jun 23, 2008 17:13:59 GMT -5
Ok Edlund, you seem the most informed, where do the Bulgarians come from if not from Central Asia?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jun 24, 2008 6:41:14 GMT -5
"In Russian, there is good explanation to that Eurocentric myth claiming Mongoloid ancestry of the Turks:If you scratch a Russian, you find a Tatar."
Spirit, a fellow Russian collegue at work told me the exact myth. He said that if you rub a Russian so hard you will find an asian. Well the mongols ruled Russia for 200 years and sources say it was common for a Russian and Mongol union. Racial anthropology speaks of the Neo-Danubian race, most common race in Russia, which was formed by nordics mixing with semi-mongols.
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Post by Allah on Jun 24, 2008 11:48:05 GMT -5
Hehe, it's so fun to read what mortals think of my fun experiments. If you only knew what steps I have taken, to mess you up!
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Post by rusebg on Jun 24, 2008 14:53:06 GMT -5
Anittas, is that you?
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2008 0:32:21 GMT -5
The first known appearance of the word "Bulgar" is on an inscription from Mongolia.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 25, 2008 0:47:50 GMT -5
Any source except the voices in your head?
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2008 1:05:10 GMT -5
Sorry, not Mongolia that was the Tartars, your cousins.
But it is a fact the bulgars descend from central asia, and are by origin turkic
"Anthropological data collected from early Bulgar necropolises from Dobrudja, Crimea and the Ukrainian steppe shows that Bulgars were a high-statured Caucasoid people with a small Mongoloid admixture"
Not to mention bulgar has clear meaning in Turkish.
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Post by Edlund on Jun 25, 2008 11:53:33 GMT -5
Ok Edlund, you seem the most informed, where do the Bulgarians come from if not from Central Asia? The ethnonym "Bulgarians" is first used for people living in the Balkans. However, the ethnonym is not enough. For example many people call themselves Americans, although none of their ancestors were Americans. Genetic tests prove, that the ancestors of the vast majority of Bulgarians lived in the Balkans for more than 2000 years. However, the ancestry is not enough. After few decades may come the moment, when the majority of Bulgarians would derive their ancestry from north-western India. I personally know where my ancestors for 7-8 generations come from - different parts of the Bulgarian ethnic lands. None of them comes from Central Asia. I view myself as descendant mainly of those people, who formed the Bulgarian nation in 6th century. They were subjects of the Roman Empire, so they may have mixed with other populations from the Roman Empire (like Caucasians, middle easterners, people from Asia Minor, Italic people, Central Europeans...) but as far as I know there were no Central Asians there. However, this is only my humble origin. Other Bulgarians might be ethnic gypsies. They can claim that they come from Asia and they would be right. I suppose your question was about the Bulgarians in 6-7 century. My simple answer then should be: "There are no sources that the people who were called Bulgarians in 6th and 7th century came from Central Asia. They could have come from Mars just like they could have come from Central Asia. There are no sources for both claims."
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Post by Rhezus on Jun 25, 2008 16:06:20 GMT -5
That statement sound too weird. How can you say we don't know where from the bulgars are, when it's obviously revealed by their names, titles, calendar, artifacts and their previous states in the steppes. Do you think other nations can't figure that out? Luckily they came to Thrace and get absorbed by the local masses of native european ppl - a process which took hundreds of years after the 6th century AD.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 25, 2008 16:22:28 GMT -5
oho
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Post by stambolov2025 on Jun 25, 2008 20:10:17 GMT -5
Ok Edlund, you seem the most informed, where do the Bulgarians come from if not from Central Asia? The ethnonym "Bulgarians" is first used for people living in the Balkans. However, the ethnonym is not enough. For example many people call themselves Americans, although none of their ancestors were Americans. Genetic tests prove, that the ancestors of the vast majority of Bulgarians lived in the Balkans for more than 2000 years. However, the ancestry is not enough. After few decades may come the moment, when the majority of Bulgarians would derive their ancestry from north-western India. I personally know where my ancestors for 7-8 generations come from - different parts of the Bulgarian ethnic lands. None of them comes from Central Asia. I view myself as descendant mainly of those people, who formed the Bulgarian nation in 6th century. They were subjects of the Roman Empire, so they may have mixed with other populations from the Roman Empire (like Caucasians, middle easterners, people from Asia Minor, Italic people, Central Europeans...) but as far as I know there were no Central Asians there. However, this is only my humble origin. Other Bulgarians might be ethnic gypsies. They can claim that they come from Asia and they would be right. I suppose your question was about the Bulgarians in 6-7 century. My simple answer then should be: "There are no sources that the people who were called Bulgarians in 6th and 7th century came from Central Asia. They could have come from Mars just like they could have come from Central Asia. There are no sources for both claims." What about the Byzantine Chroniclers and Khan Kubrat's kingdom, I mean maybe Crimea isn't Central Asia but it certainly isn't the Balkans or has that been debunked as well; not being sarcastic I'm just not clear on Bulgarian history, but I suppose few are now a day.
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arize
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Post by arize on Jun 25, 2008 22:25:25 GMT -5
["Anthropological data collected from early Bulgar necropolises from Dobrudja, Crimea and the Ukrainian steppe shows that Bulgars were a high-statured Caucasoid people with a small Mongoloid admixture"] __________________________________________________________________________
That would be a complete negative, skull/dna testing have shown/proven that Bulgarians have nothing in common with any Mongolians, the Bulgarians come from Northern Iran / Souther Afghanistan regions (Pamir & Hindukush Mountains) as they moved up north throught the Russian regions they may have come across turkic/tatars/mongols etc. but no they are not the same, this is Serbian and Macedonian propaganda about the Tatars, and of course the Turks call Bulgarians Turkic, perhaps they need to meet somewhere and decide on something in common that might stop the confusion.
In the end I would like to say FU (Serbs, Macedonians, Turks) and most of all this Rhezus bozo who is probably of Macedonian decent and his bogus postings, someone needs to ban this user it's quite pathetic that people here put up with his ridiculous postings.
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2008 22:35:12 GMT -5
^Arize, Bulgar is a Turkic word, what else do you not get?
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Post by arize on Jun 26, 2008 0:53:11 GMT -5
People like you and I can edit WIKIPEDIA.
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Post by rusebg on Jun 26, 2008 17:35:21 GMT -5
Terro, you are a dickhead, what else don't you get?
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Post by Sh1 Shonić on Jun 26, 2008 17:37:58 GMT -5
Terro, you are a d**khead, what else don't you get? And this is not an insult? Now you playing smart (insulting in a smart way)? I enjoy reading your insults. They are so crative (smart). ;D Napushi mi se kurchine smradu. Jel dovoljno pametno. Jel me neces sad izbrisati? Ako me izbrises na Srpski forum neces moci ni da prismrdis smradu jedan. Nece ti ni Aadmin pomoci. Razbiras?
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