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Post by Rhezus on Sept 12, 2009 2:31:08 GMT -5
Of course Novi, Bulgarian history is full of paradoxes. And its getting worse. Constant popping up facts tell different stories, but some bulgarian "historians" deny the local domestic and invent theories, deviate, go on expeditions to the steppes of Asia - in search of "our roots". These degenerates make "researches", and come telling us that some turkic Bulgars are our ancestors. I wish those researchers stay in the steppes and never come back. And yes, they can not back their own sources and say who exactly the steppe bulgars were! Probably because they have a lot to hide.. Thrax people cuss the ones who plundered and burned their settlements, in order to rename the lands with something which does not fit (with who we really are). It's a maledicted name. So now Greek can claim even the Thracians as their ancestors and tell us we are turciks asians. God forbid.. That's the natural perception, my friend..
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 12, 2009 3:45:40 GMT -5
Well Selymbria and Mesimbria were colonised by Greeks...till the begining of the 20th century Greek present there was strong... I don't care what Thracians were, and they were not Greeks... maybe were the closest linguistic group but still not Greeks but barbarians...and losers... they didn't make it to survive... ... And I can provide you with many other thrax/dacian words, toponimes and hydronimes in which you won't catch anything! And you...speaking slavic you will catch everything...give me a break... Rhezus i have a couple of questions for you: 1) What language did the people of today Bulgaria speak by the time of the Slavic migrations? 2) Are the Turks of today Phrygians,Lydians, Galatians etc etc and the Croats Dalmatians?
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 12, 2009 5:53:54 GMT -5
Haha.. colonized you are out of your mind. They were allowed to settle as colonist at max. up 10% of the locals - that's old Thracian rule if they wanted trading at their their seatowns. Seems you don't have an idea how it worked. Not Greek but thier own. Don't be fooled by some inscriptions in greek, they only used the greek lang. in certain circumstances (and most in aegean Thracia).. but in reallity speaking to one another in their own local language. Do you really think Phrygians, Lydians an Galatians were Greek??! Lydians, Trojans, Bythinians, Phrygians were nothing else but thracian states. Go comb yourself malakas, they were much more civilized than you think.. you copied culture and mythology from them, malaki arabolakis.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 12, 2009 7:06:25 GMT -5
I see...the Thracian government had very hard migration policy...damn ancient capitalism... ;D ;D Ok then, lets say we agree, what happened and they changed their language to slavic, even if they managed to "resist" for over a thousand years to Greek and Latin....? ? Why didn't they "choose" to speak the language of their Bulgar hans.... If the majority were Thracian and Thracian speakers they are the most losers of all history that a banch of Slavobulgars made them to change their ancient local language.... Its like Fyromskis saying...that Macedonians had a liitle convy with Slavs and decided to make slavic their....official...?? Ore tourkopomak...how old are you... Of course Greeks stole and copied all things from Thracians... all is ancient Greek propaganda... ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 12, 2009 7:21:26 GMT -5
"Of course Novi, Bulgarian history is full of paradoxes. And its getting worse. Constant popping up facts tell different stories, but some bulgarian "historians" deny the local domestic and invent theories, deviate, go on expeditions to the steppes of Asia - in search of "our roots". These degenerates make "researches", and come telling us that some turkic Bulgars are our ancestors. I wish those researchers stay in the steppes and never come back. And yes, they can not back their own sources and say who exactly the steppe bulgars were! Probably because they have a lot to hide.. Thrax people cuss the ones who plundered and burned their settlements, in order to rename the lands with something which does not fit (with who we really are). It's a maledicted name. So now Greek can claim even the Thracians as their ancestors and tell us we are turciks asians. God forbid.."
I show Ruse and Ioan but they keep on persisting.
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Post by tsompanos on Sept 12, 2009 8:46:37 GMT -5
haha rhezus phrygian is the closest language to greek and thracian it could almost be called a dialect of greek, and galatians where celts that immigrated there. if you look at thracian art and traditions and culture it was almost the same as most greeks they also spoke greek with no problem infact after Alexander most of them spoke nothing than greek the areas up to the Danube where Byzantine/Greek up untill the ottomans and now you tell me thracians are bulgarians haha
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 12, 2009 10:21:51 GMT -5
Exactly, I never said they were thracian though, so read properly: Lydians, Trojans, Bythinians, Phrygians were nothing else but thracian states.Brygi or Phrygians, Brigians. They have moved in to west and central Anatolia from Thrace around 1200 BC. That's already known. Yeah, as said, Greek copy a lot of Thracian culture and mythology, already from Lydians. And btw, Byzantine does not mean Greek. There were many other ethicities involved in the Byzantine empire and Thracia was just one of its provinces.
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Post by Patrinos on Sept 12, 2009 11:18:25 GMT -5
Rhezus lets quote myself, because I am really interested to know your theory....: I see...the Thracian government had very hard migration policy...damn ancient capitalism... ;D ;D Ok then, lets say we agree, what happened and they changed their language to slavic, even if they managed to "resist" for over a thousand years to Greek and Latin....? ? Why didn't they "choose" to speak the language of their Bulgar hans.... If the majority were Thracian and Thracian speakers they are the most losers of all history that a banch of Slavobulgars made them to change their ancient local language.... Sure...which ethnicities... Albanians were under the Byzantine rule, being orthodox in a big percentage...they weren't Romioi though... and Bulgarians for a while were under byzantine rule, you cannot call them "byzantine" neither....
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Post by chalkedon on Sept 12, 2009 15:53:03 GMT -5
Thanks mate ! What I would ask you is assistance for a little experiment. In no case it is directed towards you or meant to insult you or your people. I just need someone clever enough and objective for a short discussion (I am deliberately not pointing at Ruse since I already know him as such). I would like to show to the two stupid turks here what means thinking. Will you help? I would of answered earlier but i have a newborn keeping me busy ;D In any case, i read up on the bulgars and I agree with you that the turkic theory is not necessarly correct. There are many findings that show the opposite. There is a site allempires.com that have a good article about them. Rhezus, it seems you are the one ashamed of your bulgar roots and not Ruse, Ioan or Atan. You use the turkic theory just to try to make them believe in your pure thracian idea. Bulgar ppl were warriors, nothing to be ashamed about them Finally i believe the modern day bulgarians are bulgars, thracian and slavic mostly as language.
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Post by ioan on Sept 13, 2009 2:01:23 GMT -5
I agree with chalkedon.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Sept 13, 2009 19:32:29 GMT -5
^ Ioan, in a company, how many managers are there. My logic tells me that there are more workers than managers. Mikov, tells us that approximately only 50,000 Bulgars arrived in the Balkans and they subjugate the majority slavs. The Bulgars were a ruling stratum, like the managers in a factory.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 14, 2009 0:07:48 GMT -5
I will close this topic very soon. Fvcking boring to read one and the same things here, in the fyrom forum, the Greece forum and anywhere Novi posts.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Sept 14, 2009 1:10:37 GMT -5
Magyar is generally considered Uralic, or Finno-Ugric, with having approxiamatly 300 odd words of Turkic origin, these are mostly considered to be borrowings.
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Post by Rhezus on Sept 14, 2009 4:56:47 GMT -5
Haha.. Guess again, who is ashamed and why? I reveal what's known - they hide. Is Bulgar's origin extra terrestrial?!.. Bulgars are always gloryfied, the rest do not exists - the locals vapourized.. the slavs were lazy, dumb fvckers.. So Bulgarian history books say we are steppe-Bulgars. "Generally", but in reality it's a quite strange asiatic speech, which has nothing to do with the Finn language. Finnish and Estonian are very close, yes. But some linguists put Magyar in a copletely wrong group.. just because the laguagege is different and doesn't fit anywhere else.
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Post by rusebg on Sept 14, 2009 17:18:00 GMT -5
May we be enlightened what is known about the formation of the Bulgarian state concerning Thracians that is known and is still hidden from the public?
Of course. They were glorious people. Warriors, astronomers, builders, scientists.
I will say it for an umptienth time - Bulgarian textbooks still state that we are mostly Slavs. But you, being the profound turk Thracian, are unware of that. Actually, I would be highly disappointed if you were Bulgar. That is the utmost disgrace to their name.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Sept 15, 2009 4:13:39 GMT -5
In reality Magyar is as unclose to any known Turanic language as it is to any Finnic-Uralic language.
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Post by Kibitzer on Sept 15, 2009 9:02:54 GMT -5
In reality Magyar is as unclose to any known Turanic language as it is to any Finnic-Uralic language. Magyar sounds Asiatic as if it is some Afghan dialect. I do not want to comment on Bulgarian language as I may offend some Bulgarians around. ;D ;D ;D Pomaks are probably related to Thracians, and Bulgars are related to...well everybody knows, right?
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Post by rusebg on Sept 15, 2009 13:09:00 GMT -5
You probably remember that your posts here will be in a very restricted number, right? Nothing has changed.
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Post by ioan on Sept 16, 2009 0:14:58 GMT -5
Kibitzer, what nationality are you? Obviously you havent researched the matter well because: Pomaks are like any other Bulgarian, the only difference is they are islamic. So if they desend from the Thracians, so do the other Bulgarians. Bulgarian sounds like a cross between Slavic (mainly the lexic) and Balkanic (mainly the grammer, the Serbs say they heareonly -tata, -to, -te, because of the balkanic grammer).
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Sept 16, 2009 0:33:10 GMT -5
Bulgarian sounds like a cross between Slavic (mainly the lexic) and Balkanic (mainly the grammer, the Serbs say they heareonly -tata, -to, -te, because of the balkanic grammer). How do you say machine gun in FYROMian/Bulgarian? Puskatatatatatata or Pistoletateteteteta.
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