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Post by hellboy87 on May 8, 2009 11:30:28 GMT -5
This is f*cking bullsh*t!
ETHNIC Turks of Turkey,MOST look Middle Eastern/North African!
The European looking ones are those with Bosniak,Bulgarian,Albanian,Circassian ancestries.
Turkic people are actually or originally of northeast Asian stock.
Of course ethnic Turks of Turkey are not white,you always hear racist attacks against them in Germany!!!
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Post by thracian08 on May 8, 2009 14:36:32 GMT -5
You should be out of this forum, as you speak w/o knowing anything !! You constantly write a lot of crap! North Africans again?? What Turks look like Egyptians now ? You are to be laughed at ! The Seljuk Turks and the Ottomans Turks who came to Turkey were mostly White looking Turks, not Asian looking. There are historial articles about this. Yoruks of Turkey - who are pure Turks are white !! They are tall, and facial features are white. Getting racial attacks has nothing to do with not being WHITE. They are racial attacks in Russia against people in the Caucausus, and they are all WHITE!! Arabs, Persians, Turks, Greeks, Georgians, Armenians, Afgans, are all WHITE!! And TURKS are the lightest skinned out of all these groups. Turks came from Central Asia - did you know that before the time they moved westwards they were mostly White? The Kazak and Kirgiz people look more Asian b/c they mixed more with the Mongols who invaded them. They even found mummies in Central Asian Turkish lands which indicated the inhabitants to be white. In the early history of the Turkish invasions, there was some question as to whether the ancestors of the Seljuks and Osmanlis were to be considered Turks in the sense of Kirghiz and Uzbegs, or Turkomans, a general name meaning Turk-like people. In view of the present evidence, it is likely that they were actually Turkomans, or at any rate Turks similar to living Turkomans and Azerbaijanis, and were thus non-mongoloid whites of a tall, long-faced, high-headed, brunet Mediterranean variety. The Turks who invaded eastern Russia, on the other hand, belonged rather to the Kirghiz type, which is a Mongol-Turkoman-Nordic mixture, and the Tatars of eastern Europe and of the Caucasus are for that reason primarily brachycephalic and partially mongoloid. With this directional lead, we may proceed to examine the most fully Turkish people in Turkey, the Yürüks, pastoral nomads of Cappadocia and Cilicia, who are supposed to have mixed little with non-Turks or other kinds of Turks since their arrival. A small but apparently representative series shows them to be tall, with a mean stature of 169 cm., mesocephalic, with a mean cephalic index of 79, and largely brunet. Their faces are moderately long (124.6 mm.) and moderately wide (144 mm.). In facial features they are not at all mongoloid. If the early Turkish invaders of Asia Minor belonged largely to this type, then the racial position of the modern Osmanlis in reference to that of the previous Anatolians is easily comprehended.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 9, 2009 6:33:24 GMT -5
Your an idiot!!!!
You confuse CAUCASOID WITH WHITE!!
Caucasoids include Europeans,North Africans,West Asians and Indian subcontinental peoples.
WHITE people are EUROPEAN peoples!!!
Turkics are originally northeast Asians
Central Asia was settled by Indo-Europeans and some middle easterners and then the Turkics settled there in large numbers and interrmaried with them.Hence,the mixed look.
From there,bands of Turkics left as conquering tribes,not major settlers,which is why Turkics in most of Eastern Europe and those in West Asia,dont look northeast Asian because they were "Turkicized".
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Post by thracian08 on May 11, 2009 13:11:44 GMT -5
You are !! No White people includes non European people as well. The Caucausian region, Georgia, etc. all includes White People. Turks are White too.
Where do you think Europeans came from?? They did not originate from Europe !
Turkish people are Central Asian; they look like a mix of white and some Asian. Different Turkish tribes look different from each other. Some look more Asian, and some look more white.
My point was that the Oguz Turks are white looking. You cannot comprehend this!
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Post by hellboy87 on May 11, 2009 18:37:51 GMT -5
Oghuz were not white
White people are those FROM EUROPE!!!
The ethnic Turks of Turkey are of Anatolian stock and most of them look like their Arab neighbours.
Europeans developed those European features in Europe,like the blue eyes is said to have mutated in Ukraine.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on May 12, 2009 1:33:44 GMT -5
You are !! No White people includes non European people as well. The Caucausian region, Georgia, etc. all includes White People. Turks are White too. Where do you think Europeans came from?? They did not originate from Europe ! Turkish people are Central Asian; they look like a mix of white and some Asian. Different Turkish tribes look different from each other. Some look more Asian, and some look more white. My point was that the Oguz Turks are white looking. You cannot comprehend this! Turks are mainly Caucasian peoples, and were mainly Cuacasians back in time. So, let us recall how the ancient Cuman Turk looked like. The Cumanians were originally Asian pastoral nomads who in the 13th century migrated to Hungary. We have examined mitochondrial DNA from members of the earliest Cumanian population in Hungary from two archeologically well-documented excavations and from 74 modern Hungarians from different rural locations in Hungary. Haplogroups were defined based on HVS I sequences and examinations of haplogroup-associated polymorphic sites of the protein coding region and of HVS II. To exclude contamination, some ancient DNA samples were cloned. A database was created from previously published mtDNA HVS I sequences (representing 2,615 individuals from different Asian and European populations) and 74 modern Hungarian sequences from the present study. This database was used to determine the relationships between the ancient Cumanians, modern Hungarians, and Eurasian populations and to estimate the genetic distances between these populations. We attempted to deduce the genetic trace of the migration of Cumanians. This study is the first ancient DNA characterization of an eastern pastoral nomad population that migrated into Europe. The results indicate that, while still possessing a Central Asian steppe culture, the Cumanians received a large admixture of maternal genes from more westerly populations before arriving in Hungary. A similar dilution of genetic, but not cultural, factors may have accompanied the settlement of other Asian nomads in Europe.muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/human_biology/v077/77.5szabo.pdf
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Post by thracian08 on May 12, 2009 17:59:27 GMT -5
Thank you Spirit.
Hellboy still thinks Turks look like Arabs.
Go to Arabia and see if they look like Turks you idiot !!
If the blue eye came from Europe, than how in the hell do Turks in Central Asia have blue eyes???
You are soooooooo wrong Hellboy.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 15, 2009 13:11:16 GMT -5
It was on MSNBC that had a news article that said that blue eyes originated in Ukraine,idiot! Then of course it spread through Europe from migration and out of Europe through the migrations of the Indo-Europeans,the acquisition of lands outside Europe by the Romans,the Greeks,the settlement of Crusaders in Lebanon and so on. Just like in West China,there was a settlement of the Indo-European Tocharians.They settled in Central Asia too,and the next mass settlement in Central Asia were the Turkics who intermarried them,hence,the many "Turanian" look. Most ethnic Turks of Turkey look Arab,ok? They do! If not,you wont hear racist stories against Turks in Europe Take a look at this picture: The white guy you see in the middle is no Turk,but German.Look at the contrast in looks
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Post by thracian08 on May 15, 2009 17:57:28 GMT -5
Why are you comparing Germans and Turks? The issue we are talking about is Turks and Arabs. You don't even know what Arabs look like !!
Arabs are Semites and look like Jews.
Turks are Turanian. Turks have rounder faces, straight hair, higher cheekbones, hazel shaped eyes.
Arabs have long narrow faces, big deep eyes, totally different facial features.
You haven't even been to Arabic countries or Turkey and you just talk crap !!!
Ask any Arab if Turks look them them and you will get a NO as an answer.
Getting racist attacks in Germany has nothing to do with looking like an Arab !!
You really should go to Malaysia and talk about people there, instead of writing stupid inaccurate articles about Turks.
Clueless idiot !!
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Post by oszkarthehun on May 15, 2009 19:59:21 GMT -5
Why are you comparing Germans and Turks? The issue we are talking about is Turks and Arabs. You don't even know what Arabs look like !! Arabs are Semites and look like Jews. Turks are Turanian. Turks have rounder faces, straight hair, higher cheekbones, hazel shaped eyes. Arabs have long narrow faces, big deep eyes, totally different facial features. You haven't even been to Arabic countries or Turkey and you just talk crap !!! Ask any Arab if Turks look them them and you will get a NO as an answer. Getting racist attacks in Germany has nothing to do with looking like an Arab !! You really should go to Malaysia and talk about people there, instead of writing stupid inaccurate articles about Turks. Clueless idiot !! I agree I dont think Turks look like Arabs but Im not sure how many Turks looks Turanian. Arabs vary in looks too but they have a certain look that is different to most Turks. I tend to think Turks physical presentation is very mixed because I think Turk blood is very mixed. Probably in Western Turkey there is much Greek blood and mixed in Balkan and then everything else so in the end its hard to say how much Asiatic Turkic Turanian blood presentation is in Turkey, certainly I have seen some Asian eyed looking Turks but Ive seen many who could present as a Greek or a Serb or Macedonian.
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Post by raven on May 16, 2009 19:10:22 GMT -5
Turkey is a multiethnic country so seeing someone with an Asiatic look doesnt necessarily mean they are descended from the original Oghuz tribes of central Asia. They could be ethnic Tatars or Nogai f.e.
according to genetic studies the Turanian input in Turkey is supposedly around 5-8% or so, so the Turkicization process of Asia Minor was largely language replacement.
also lumping Arabs together as if they were some homogenous group is completely stupid.
Obviously there is a phenotypical overlap between Turks (mostly eastern) and Arabs like the Syrians and Lebanese f.e. but the latter peoples arent really "Arabs". they are largely descended from native Levantine peoples who became Arabized by the real Arab conquerors from the Arabian peninsula.
obviously Turks look NOTHING like the real Arabs of the Arabian peninsula.
also hellboy why are you comparing Turks to Germans? its obvious they will look nothing like each other seeing as how one is a Eastern Mediterranean people while the other is central/northern European one.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 19, 2009 10:13:53 GMT -5
raven,yes,I know people in the levant and north africa arent BLOOD Arabs but Arabized indigenous people
and yes,there is variety among the West Asian/North African peoples.The people from Morocco to Iran,Turkey to Yemen,have that DISTINCT look found in North Africa and West Asia.
Since most of those there are Arabs culturally,thats why I say look like Arabs.
The varieties are found particularly those above the Arabian Peninsular:The Levant,Iraq,Anatolia,South Caucasus,North Africa and Iran.
You see the features:the rough roman and hooked noses,thick brows,long faces,hairy legs,arms,bodies.
Also,trust me,I have seen over a thousand pics of Turks and most would cluster with those from Arab speaking countries than with Europe when it comes to racial features.
Another thing you have to remember,that many citizens of Turkey are of Balkan stock,so those Euro looking ones is mostly them.
My comparison of Turks with Germans is to show the racial difference:Turks not white,Germans white
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Post by oszkarthehun on May 19, 2009 18:52:54 GMT -5
exactly
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Post by hellboy87 on May 20, 2009 7:05:36 GMT -5
well,that^ has long been proven to be the case that actual Turkic migration to Anatolia was small and that most ethnic Turks of Anatolia are indigenous Anatolians.
In fact,most Turkic groups in Eastern Europe and West Asia are Turkicized people of indigenous stock.
Most Turks in Turkey dont accept this and think they are fully of Turkic stock,though some think they are of Turkic stock with indigenous Anatolians.But still,the emphasis on the Turkic stock thing as like a determiner.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on May 22, 2009 12:16:21 GMT -5
well,that^ has long been proven to be the case that actual Turkic migration to Anatolia was small and that most ethnic Turks of Anatolia are indigenous Anatolians. In fact,most Turkic groups in Eastern Europe and West Asia are Turkicized people of indigenous stock. Most Turks in Turkey dont accept this and think they are fully of Turkic stock,though some think they are of Turkic stock with indigenous Anatolians.But still,the emphasis on the Turkic stock thing as like a determiner. How the heck do u think u know what most Turks think? ur so thick man
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Post by Vizier of Oz on May 24, 2009 1:32:31 GMT -5
Why are you comparing Germans and Turks? The issue we are talking about is Turks and Arabs. You don't even know what Arabs look like !! Arabs are Semites and look like Jews. Turks are Turanian. Turks have rounder faces, straight hair, higher cheekbones, hazel shaped eyes. Arabs have long narrow faces, big deep eyes, totally different facial features. You haven't even been to Arabic countries or Turkey and you just talk crap !!! Ask any Arab if Turks look them them and you will get a NO as an answer. Getting racist attacks in Germany has nothing to do with looking like an Arab !! You really should go to Malaysia and talk about people there, instead of writing stupid inaccurate articles about Turks. Clueless idiot !! I agree I dont think Turks look like Arabs but Im not sure how many Turks looks Turanian. Arabs vary in looks too but they have a certain look that is different to most Turks. I tend to think Turks physical presentation is very mixed because I think Turk blood is very mixed. Probably in Western Turkey there is much Greek blood and mixed in Balkan and then everything else so in the end its hard to say how much Asiatic Turkic Turanian blood presentation is in Turkey, certainly I have seen some Asian eyed looking Turks but Ive seen many who could present as a Greek or a Serb or Macedonian. You are very mistaken. There is definitely a Turk type. Does that man on the photo look like Greek or Mongol?
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Post by hellboy87 on May 25, 2009 20:20:07 GMT -5
No he could pass as Indian then Middle Eastern
That book is not an authority on Turks,not fully
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Post by Vizier of Oz on May 26, 2009 0:39:55 GMT -5
He does not look Indian or Arab at all. He has got some strong Turkic features in fact.
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Post by oszkarthehun on May 26, 2009 3:10:03 GMT -5
He does not look Indian or Arab at all. He has got some strong Turkic features in fact. maybe he does and maybe their is a certain Turkic look or looks in Turkey but my point was the range of physical presentations in physical types in Turkiye is very varied and extensive. Maybe its possible to find more consistant Turkic looks/types in some of the other Turkic speaking countries like Turkmenistan or Uzbekistan. What is hard to deny is there was large non Turkic population in the Anatolia region when Turks arrived and it seems many of those have been Turkicised and hence as I said Turkic genepool of Turkiye is very mixed. In the end if people feel they are Turks or Turkic then of course they are. But if they choose to follow the ethnicity of their ancestoral heritage which may be somthing other than Turkic then its there choice also. In the end its not a big deal and not exclusive toTurkey same thing happened in many countries. Ethnic purity by genetics is for most countries a probable myth. National identity has more to do with any individuals self ethnic consciousness and of course also the cultural and linguistic backgound they most identiy with and that identifies them.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 28, 2009 1:17:27 GMT -5
Yes,there are variations in Turkey,but most still cluster with ppl from Arab speaking countries than with Europe in terms of looks
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