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Post by valmir on Jun 10, 2012 14:16:32 GMT -5
Fixed it for you.
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Post by uz on Jun 10, 2012 14:30:07 GMT -5
We can all sense your fear. Stop shaking it's going to be ok.
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Post by vinjak on Jun 10, 2012 17:36:54 GMT -5
which means we get 2 million Muslims. Znaci Cvijet Hrvatstva zasmrdeo
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 10, 2012 17:55:06 GMT -5
^^ Nobody believes the 'hrvatsko cvijece' b.s. anymore. They might be islamic Croats but they have pretty much zilch to do with anything Croatian. The fact they cheered for Turkey as much as they did just to defeat Croatia in soccer and then taunt Croatian fans ( but cry when Cro fans react) says it all. Turkey is a big country I'm sure there is room for them there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2012 18:01:08 GMT -5
The only way I think that Republica Srpska will become independent is through war, because when you look on a map, without it Bosnia will look very messed up and uneven...
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 11, 2012 13:31:45 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with it. All three ethnic groups would have to come up with an equitable distribution of land. The only downside is that the rest of it would probably be 'federated' with Croatia which means we get 2 million Muslims. Why would that be the case? In fact during the war the Serbs had even more control of Bosnia then they do now. There is still the entire Glamoc region that is under occupation by the Pederacija! It would be ideal for the Tuzla-Lukavac area to be traded for Prijedor and areas west of Banja Luka, in order to make RS more geographically compact. But it's not bad as it is either.
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Post by valmir on Jun 11, 2012 13:42:15 GMT -5
Fear?
Actually i can't wait for this idea to be put on table cus i know Serbia will get raped this time and "MAYBE" you will lose Vojvodina this time.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 11, 2012 15:30:17 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with it. All three ethnic groups would have to come up with an equitable distribution of land. The only downside is that the rest of it would probably be 'federated' with Croatia which means we get 2 million Muslims. Why would that be the case? In fact during the war the Serbs had even more control of Bosnia then they do now. There is still the entire Glamoc region that is under occupation by the Pederacija! It would be ideal for the Tuzla-Lukavac area to be traded for Prijedor and areas west of Banja Luka, in order to make RS more geographically compact. But it's not bad as it is either. That doesn't mean anything. The HV/HVO could've captured far more than they did in 1995. Nothing needs to be given to RS ( you have 49% when you constitute only 31% of the population of the country and after cleansing eastern BiH of Muslims and Posavina of Croats.) In Bosnia you guys ended up with a pretty sweet deal. You're right about Glamoc , Drvar , and that shitty land. It was captured by HV/HVO forces in 1995 but then returned to Serbian local control. Aside from its strategic position we have no interest in that land. I have no problem with it going to R.S. so long as they are willing to make concessions in Posavina.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 11, 2012 15:32:02 GMT -5
Personally I don't mind Serbs having the lion's share of Bosnia ( let them have Sarajevo and the Muslim parts and the Muslims) just give us Herceg Bosna and mir u Bosni.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 11, 2012 16:28:37 GMT -5
Why would that be the case? In fact during the war the Serbs had even more control of Bosnia then they do now. There is still the entire Glamoc region that is under occupation by the Pederacija! It would be ideal for the Tuzla-Lukavac area to be traded for Prijedor and areas west of Banja Luka, in order to make RS more geographically compact. But it's not bad as it is either. That doesn't mean anything. The HV/HVO could've captured far more than they did in 1995. Nothing needs to be given to RS ( you have 49% when you constitute only 31% of the population of the country and after cleansing eastern BiH of Muslims and Posavina of Croats.) In Bosnia you guys ended up with a pretty sweet deal. You're right about Glamoc , Drvar , and that s**tty land. It was captured by HV/HVO forces in 1995 but then returned to Serbian local control. Aside from its strategic position we have no interest in that land. I have no problem with it going to R.S. so long as they are willing to make concessions in Posavina. Could of would of should of. RS is a small price to pay, for the theft of Serbian land of Bosnia and Srpska Krajina. The Serbs with all fairness deserve much more in that region. Odzak and Orasje enclaves will be integrated into RS, as will Brcko, and that's non-negotiable. Posavina was always Serb land and will continue to be so. Croats will be a necessary evil, as they're a natural product of Serbs in close vicinity to a Catholic church. Herceg-Bosna would begin a new war in Bosnia, mate, and we wouldn't want that.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 11, 2012 17:38:32 GMT -5
That doesn't mean anything. The HV/HVO could've captured far more than they did in 1995. Nothing needs to be given to RS ( you have 49% when you constitute only 31% of the population of the country and after cleansing eastern BiH of Muslims and Posavina of Croats.) In Bosnia you guys ended up with a pretty sweet deal. You're right about Glamoc , Drvar , and that s**tty land. It was captured by HV/HVO forces in 1995 but then returned to Serbian local control. Aside from its strategic position we have no interest in that land. I have no problem with it going to R.S. so long as they are willing to make concessions in Posavina. Could of would of should of. RS is a small price to pay, for the theft of Serbian land of Bosnia and Srpska Krajina. The Serbs with all fairness deserve much more in that region. Odzak and Orasje enclaves will be integrated into RS, as will Brcko, and that's non-negotiable. Posavina was always Serb land and will continue to be so. Croats will be a necessary evil, as they're a natural product of Serbs in close vicinity to a Catholic church. Herceg-Bosna would begin a new war in Bosnia, mate, and we wouldn't want that. Forget about Krajina. You guys gambled and lost, accept it. I have no problem with R.S. and honestly I wish them the best. They are less of a threat to us than a centralized Muslim state. Forget about Odzak and Orasje. They would become part of Slavonia before R.S. . I wouldn't focus so much on the past and your strange interpretation of it. I'd look to the future and the well being of your people. Picking a fight with us isn't in your best interest ( 'Krajina' should have tought you that.) The only unresolved issue is BiH and if you take your head out of your ass for a minute you would see that Herceg Bosna Croats are not your enemy anymore. In fact , we are sort of like necessary allies in order preserve anything non-Muslim in Bosnia.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 11, 2012 18:15:57 GMT -5
Krajina is a frozen conflict, which could be thawed out in the years to come, or may just stay han solo for a while. But Odzak and Orasje is BiH, and obligated to the RS, and will economically benefit being in this new prosperous independent country.
We do want to look to the future, which is why RS must be independent with a UN seat. Because all Serbs, even the catholic church going ones *cough* I mean Croats, will benefit being in an well-organized, and western-minded state like Republika Srpska.
But when it comes to Herceg-Bosna, it is a matter of how much dismissal the child can take. The muslim child in this case.
For the muslims to become a small enclave encircling Sarajevo there will be blood, I think that's obvious. And when it comes to our Muslimani being "attacked", you know there will be again UN Tanks with Angelina Jolie manning the gunner and new CNN articles being written about the new "Balkan Genocide".
You guys chose the pederacija during the war, you got greedy and went against the Serbs, in order to attempt to grab more in Bosnia than was feasible, and you lost and ended up being a negligible presence in BiH, a fading ghost of times past.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 11, 2012 18:38:54 GMT -5
Nothing to Serbia's benefit will come out of "Krajina." That is done. Personally I hope to see more Serbs return if for nothing to make Croatia look better in terms of accepting more refugees. The Serbs learned their lesson with 'Krajina' all be it bitterly. And it would make far more sense for Ozdak and Orasje which have virtually no Serbs to join Croatia rather than R.S. Hands off cedo! haha. Fine. I have no problem with that. Haha , I can say that this little Serb entity would benefit from a well organized western minded state like Croatia. R.S. join Croatia? This concerns me how? Which is why R.S. would have to concede some land if it wants its path to independence. Not hard to figure out. Wow , you know nothing of the Croatian side of things do you? It's alright , nobody does. The media in Bosnia cared primarily about Sarajevo and Eastern Bosnia where the conflict was mostly between you guys and the Muslims. They turned a blind eye to Muslim aggression in central Bosnia and only showed Stari Most as the explanation of the Bosniak-Croat conflict. We were forced into this pederacija. Herceg Bosna held out and even absorbed a lot of the Muslim revenge that should've been directed at you guys. The Mujahedin mercenaries you guys complain so much about were most active in the 7th muslim brade of the ABiH and that brigade operated primarily in Central Bosnia and primarily against CROATS. We will never fade from BiH. Clearly you never been to southwest BiH where Croat domination is unquestioned. And yeah we might be reduced to that only but then it makes a stronger case to join Croatia . Like I said Cedo , picking a fight with us again isn't in your best interest.
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Post by Srpski Svet on Jun 16, 2012 14:14:35 GMT -5
Nothing to Serbia's benefit will come out of "Krajina." That is done. Personally I hope to see more Serbs return if for nothing to make Croatia look better in terms of accepting more refugees. The Serbs learned their lesson with 'Krajina' all be it bitterly. And it would make far more sense for Ozdak and Orasje which have virtually no Serbs to join Croatia rather than R.S. Hands off cedo! haha. Autonomy is something. That's achievable at least in the future. Just to remind you that "lesson" you taught us was a war crime and resulted in your top "heroes" going to jail, plus masses and masses of refugees all over the world, who now have a deep-seeded vendetta against Croatia. (Effectively ruining relations with a sizable portion of Serbs). Odzak and Orasje have virtually no Serbs? And would be better off joining Croatia? First off there are enough Serbs there, and second, Croatia can't touch Bosnia/RS so that's out of the question. Of course you wouldn't! This little Serb entity actually has about half the land area of Croatia, not so bad for such a little entity! haha Hmm, your ustasa goggles are on. Nope, missing the point. This would all happen if Herceg-Bosna were to declare autonomy/independence. BiH Croats would be the new "aggressors" and RS will just sit back and watch. The Muslims will probably overrun you and leave RS with sizable chunks of land in their wake. I guess you're right. The Croatian nor the Muslim side was never that documented, because they would contradict the Western perspective that the Serbs were the bad guys. But at the same time, BiH Croats were ignored then by the world, they'll probably be ignored now too, unless something drastically changes. Funny enough, it'd probably be the Croatian Croats who'd stop the BiH Croats before anyone, in order to protect their international reputation.
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Post by bowandarrow on Jun 16, 2012 14:23:15 GMT -5
sad & depressed tito no Serbs have migrated to bulgaria, you've been rotting in your fanatical muslim puppet state of bosnia. I'm sure your unemployed, not able to invest in anything & sarajevo has gone backwards by 400 years since its muslim takeover 1995, actual quote from bbc. Continue to rot in your fanatical muslim state while I get to travel to a cosmopolitan european country SERBIA. Serbs look beautiful, stunning, educated & you know your in europe whereas bosnia looks like a primative backward joke. Bosnians = Muslim Serbs.
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Post by albascorp on Jun 16, 2012 15:51:29 GMT -5
if i was a serb i would aim high claiming whole world is serbian so we could end with beligrado 1km2 centrum
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2012 1:49:51 GMT -5
Keep dreaming , not going to happen. Accept reality. Moving right along... When you play with fire you get burned. Krajina Serbs took a gamble and they lost. When they knew they would lose the war they decided to leave, we didn't make them. Those columns of tractors and people leaving were escorted by Serbian troops , not Croatian. Serbs are a relatively small minority in these places. If Bosnia was partitioned its almost certain these towns would go to Croatia as they are virtually on the border already. Yet it has about only 1/4 of the population and R.S. Cedos such as yourself demand even more land. That's funny bro. Cedo bijedo. Do you even read the nonsense that you write? Nope , R.S. would claim independence. R.S. leadership is just waiting for that opportune moment when Bosnia becomes destabilized. We can't really be aggressors as we are compact and have no real land dispute with the Muslims anyway. Any land grabs would have to be initiated by the Muslims and they are hungry to devour whats left of the Croatian enclaves in Central BiH, they can't touch Hercegovina. HB autonomy would come diplomatically. We aren't like Cede meaning we don't start shooting our neighbors after a good round of sljivo because we get pumped up by propaganda and think we're either living in 14th century or WW2. A new deal for the Croats would be necessary to bring them and Croatia itself behind Sarajevo and guess what , even leftist president of Croatia Josipovic isn't all about coddling Sarajevo like Mesic was. I actually agree with you. Not to put the Serb side in an innocent light ( you know the wonderful trick of victimizing aggressors) but the West was far to sympathetic to the Muslims. Not hard to see why. The Serbs were stupid enough to shell the holy dogcrap out of Sarajevo, set about a million snipers (exaggeration added for effect) for the sole purpose of civilian target practice ( fear tactic) , and even shelling places near where the western media was in Sarajevo. I mean what were your stupid generals and commanders thinking? Don't they know the Wests' window to Bosnia would be through Sarajevo and Muslim translators? No but hardcore Muslim aggression didn't come that much at Serb expense. Serbs outgunned the Muslims pretty much the whole time but the Muslims took the next best option and attacked the far less better armed Croats and it was logically sound because Muslims already surrounded Croat enclaves. Like I said , those Mujahedin weren't sent to the front line against the Serbs, they were sent to those evil Catholic Croats in Central Bosnia and of course any Serb would also happen to be a target if any were still around probably shacking up with Croats at this point. Media didn't see that because the Media was too busy making a sob story out of Sarajevo because the Serbs weren't smart enough to stop looking stupid to the western press. In fact , Serb aggression in Eastern BiH overshadowed the Muslim aggression in Central BiH nevermind the fact that even Serbs along with Croats were dying to the guns and knives of the Muslims in Central BiH. The introduction of the HV into Bosnia in 1995 eventually pushed the Serbs to the negotiating table. It wasn't the NATO bombing raids or the small skrimish victories of the ABiH, it was the freaking HV and Milosevic's sudden lack of real support that pacified the VRS ( and its unofficial Serbia troops) and Krajina Armies to accept a real cease fire. And a cease fire is all Dayton really is. Lets hope the HV wouldn't make the same mistake this time and will broker their brothers in Bosnia a much better deal. You've been rubbing elbows with too many nationalist Serbs Not all Bosnians are Muslims and not all Muslims are 'ex Serbs.' But you do have a point. Bos. Muslims and Serb have the oddest love/hate relationship with each other bordering on insanity. Many on both sides still crave the old Yugo days and Bosnian Muslim kids still go nuts at listening to Serb singers like 'Ceca' or 'Lepa Brena' who married and cheered on their butchers, I mean hell they even pack a stadium and pay money to hear these biznatches sing. There is a reason Ceca is not welcomed in Croatia to consider a more rational stance. We don't forget. Ah well , I guess its fitting. The Serbs and Muslims are made to be in their eternal dance of insanity together
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Post by albascorp on Jun 17, 2012 2:55:11 GMT -5
funny to see how croat talks to a serb as he was his big hero but fucked it al up
for as me to know croats hate on everything what has to do with serbs or is touched by serb
real croats face coming out? or is this some dirty croat tactic???
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2012 8:42:13 GMT -5
^ Wtf are you talking about? I can't even understand what you're trying to say. What is it with Albanians and poor language skills? I mean seriously, does your language literally translate into incoherent babbling? Well... at least you guys are good at selling ice cream on the street so I guess you Kosovars aren't a complete waste human genetics. And of course if there's no money in making ice cream then prostitution seems to work for you guys as well. Freakin cigani haha.
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Post by Croatian Vanguard on Jun 17, 2012 9:16:25 GMT -5
Actually its quite the opposite. Just browse on youtube for Croatian videos and you'll see a bunch of comments from Serb haters even on the videos that have nothing to do with politics. ( At the same time there are Serbs that leave cool and friendly comments so I should make that distinction). But if you look up Serb videos you'll see that Croats don't even comment and leave them a lone for the most part.
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