Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2009 5:15:31 GMT -5
we are steeped in authentic culture mate, no matter how you slice it, we have been here longer than you and you have fed off our culture and history for centuries, noting wrong with that, just like we have fed off the civilisations of greeks and romans, whether you like it or not its another story, you can be proud of your country and i'll be proud of mine, we all see things from different perspectives, every country has its own set of collective memories which make people be proud, no need to sheet on anyone's beliefs...having said that, the truth needs to be exposed and in many cases the serbian propaganda has really taken the piss out of history. somebody write a program to take paragraphs like the above paragraph, split it in new lines for every comma, period or after 100 chars, whichever comes first, add an " - LMAO" at the end of each line, and you got the perfect answer to anything this troll fieri writes. But i doubt anyone would spend 10 minutes to write a program who would consistently beat any albo/albos. They are not worth not even the slightest effort.
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 25, 2009 5:26:31 GMT -5
rats like you have no clear and concise identity, stay out of this rat
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2009 6:41:40 GMT -5
rats like you have no clear and concise identity, stay out of this rat - LMAO
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Lib-Fier
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 25, 2009 6:52:08 GMT -5
rat rat rat rat
i hear you grawing your way into mediocrity rat,
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Kralj Vatra
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jun 25, 2009 7:48:32 GMT -5
Does somebody pay you to be so dump, or does it come out naturally? wait... you said you are an albo right? LMAO
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Post by Lib-Fier on Jun 25, 2009 8:04:15 GMT -5
a dr. dre song springs to mind...it goes a little smth like this 'rat tat tat tat'
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2009 16:10:06 GMT -5
You two can stop hijacking the thread now. Thanks
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Post by soko on Jun 25, 2009 16:30:25 GMT -5
Eh, my guess is, the Albanian language is most alike to Thracian.. so they were probably just some Thracian-like people that lived in the hills, and got displaced to modern day Albania at the time of the migrations 400-700 A.D.. As for you guys, calling each other names, that cute and all
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Post by terroreign on Jun 25, 2009 16:31:29 GMT -5
That's a plausible theory soko!
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Post by Username on Jun 25, 2009 20:31:30 GMT -5
Well at least give us SOMETHING... ANYTHING.. that Albanians have done to be proud of. well, that's just a stupid question anyway because any race, even in their passivity, have accomplished more than the serbs whose name is synonymous with mass murder, concentration camps, the first country to declare itself jew-free, genocide, inciting racial hatred, the last contry in europe to establish concentration camps and in the 90's .... lets take a pause here, IN THE 90'S!!!!!!!!! oh what else, oh yeah, yo have managed to antagonize and sourrounded yourself by neighbours that hate you, you were the only...i repeat....the only 'EUROPEAN' country to get blasted by NATO...in the 21 CENTUARY no less, you think you're gonna cancel that out by winning a handball tournament? serbs are, to all intents and purposes, a backward, hateful, unrefined, tribal and rudementary race whose thirst for blood is only exceeded by their greed to steal land and history. LoL, well, it's funny that you can't actually claim anything that Albanians have to be proud of.. And why the "you" when talking about Serbia? I have nothing to do with Serbia.. I'm Canadian, born and raised, who just happens to be of half Serb parentage.. not really in touch with that side of me at all anyways. So, I don't take offence to any of your comments about Serbia.. in fact, I agree with a lot of what you just said.. but the "dumb slav" comment ticked me off.. from what I can see, Slavs are doing a lot better than Albanians in Europe.. and we are the most populous linguistic group in Europe. And the fact that you make up lies - e.g. Serbs are from Iran, that really pisses me off.. you do that all with the intention of trolling.. even when I showed you that genetically, according to haplogroups, and the migrations of Serbs into Europe, that they were around a lot longer before Albanians.. one of the original groups to have migrated to Europe. And still, you (and your Albanian peers here), refuse to show any evidence that: a) Serbs are of Iranian origin (a fringe theory which is pretty baseless) b) Albanians have been around in Europe before Serbs (which I pretty much disproved, as the haplogroups common in Albania puts Albanians into a group with a much later arrival date into Europe) So unless you have some evidence to back yourself up, stop making stupid claims.. e.g. calling Serbs Turks or whatever.
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Post by leshte on Jun 25, 2009 20:52:30 GMT -5
Take Kosova out of the question and all the origins of Albanians wouldn't matter to Serbs. The proof? Serb historians prior to when Milosevic came to power writting about the authenticity of Albanians in Kosova. Read Aleksandar Stipevic since he was part of that circle back then. The roots of Albanians are of pure political discussion from the Serb point of view.
Having said that. Lets suppose for a moment the Serb claim is true. Albanians came later than Serbs and present day Albania was empty of people. Well then your forefathers must have been a dumb bunch of people for allowing the supposed late comers, the Albanians, to settle in such a prime location with the Ionian and the Adriatic possesed by them and Rome and Greece within a few hours away as the centers of civilization of that time. While your Serb ancestors even though this empty land was in front of them decided to dwell in the woods, ponds and mountains of modern day Serbia completely ignoring all the benefits of Ionian and Adriatic coast. Either that or this is another B$ heavenly Kingdom fairy tale made by Serbs told to Serbs so they can make themselves feel better and for some stupid reason think this might bring Kosova back some day some how.
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Post by insomniac on Jun 25, 2009 20:58:04 GMT -5
Well then your forefathers must have been a dumb bunch of people for allowing the supposed late comers
They must have been more primitive for not recording it. Any talk about origins is purely political or to rile people up.
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Post by alb12345 on Jun 25, 2009 21:15:26 GMT -5
Username wrote So, I don't take offence to any of your comments about Serbia.. in fact, I agree with a lot of what you just said.. but the "dumb slav" comment ticked me off.. from what I can see, Slavs are doing a lot better than Albanians in Europe.. and we are the most populous linguistic group in Europe. And the fact that you make up lies - e.g. Serbs are from Iran, that really pisses me off.. you do that all with the intention of trolling.. even when I showed you that genetically, according to haplogroups, and the migrations of Serbs into Europe, that they were around a lot longer before Albanians.. one of the original groups to have migrated to Europe. And still, you (and your Albanian peers here), refuse to show any evidence that: a) Serbs are of Iranian origin (a fringe theory which is pretty baseless) b) Albanians have been around in Europe before Serbs (which I pretty much disproved, as the haplogroups common in Albania puts Albanians into a group with a much later arrival date into Europe) So unless you have some evidence to back yourself up, stop making stupid claims.. e.g. calling Serbs Turks or whatever. [/quote] Albanian DNA the most old in balkans 1) "High-Resolution Phylogenetic Analysis of Southeastern Europe Traces Major Episodes of Paternal Gene Flow Among Slavic Populations"when:"Almost 93% of SEE E3b1 chromosomes are classified into ALPHA cluster. In Europe, the highest E3b1a variance is among Apulians, Greeks, and Macedonians, and the highest frequency of the cluster is among Albanians, Macedonians,and Greeks (table 1)." If you make a total % of albanians of albania and albanians of kosovo all Albanians have the max Erb1-a freq. After them are the aromenians (latinized balkan substract). And then after the greeks and apulians. mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/re...22/10/1964.pdfAccording to Semino: The footprint of J2e1 (M102) on the European map indicates some sort of connection between the southern Balkans and north-central Italy. One possible explanation is that J2e1 may have dispersed into Europe from the Balkans.Some of the highest frequencies that Semino et al saw for J2e1 were Albania (14.3% of total population), north-central Italy (9.6%), Greece (6.5%) Croatia etc Semino et al estimated the date of the M102 mutation at about 8000 years ago." 2)First of all Albanian and kosovars are the same peoples. The max frequencies of J2e are among Albanians, the some for E3b1. This 2 Haplogroupe are belived to exist there before the Roman arivals.(J2e% + E3b1a% = 16 + 45 = 61%) All this 2 haplogroup have max freq in albanians and this is a sign of distinction from slavs. In 2000 BC there have been different migration in to balkan no one can say there have ben only one haplogroup. 3) “Maternal and paternal lineages in Albania and the genetic structure of Indo-European populations” Link: www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...f/5200443a.pdf4) Cavalli-Sforza: The Albanians show considerable genetic distances with all the populations; however, 14 pair of comparisons between the Albanians and the European populations show a high level of identity. (This is for all Albanians not kosovars only) This is a Correlation function not the sum of the Haplogroupe. And by this function that we conclude that Albanians & Kosovars have one of the strongest Dna identity in Balkans. By a correlation of 14 values. It is not the some for greeks (Greeks have a SE identity but not a greek one) 5) “Survey of anthropological features of the Illyrians": The purpose of this paper is to bring to evidence the physical traits of the ancient inhabitants of Albania, the Illyrians, through an anthropological study of 93 human skeletons of different periods. Based on the available typological data the author comes to the conclusion that the Illyrians of the Albanian territory constituted an Adriatic-Mediterranean population with Nordic and Alpine minorities. The results of this study throw light on certain historical phenomena, which are linked with the origin and formation of the Illyrians" This survey have shown that Albanians of today are the direct descendents of Illirian-Thraco race! Link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3...ubmed_RVDocSum 6) “Haplogroup E3b1a2 as a Possible Indicator of Settlement in Roman Britain by Soldiers of Balkan Origin" Steven C. Bird . Steve Bird for albanians:the genetic evidence would seem to support a much greater Thracian presence, in line with the rest of the Balkan peninsula, but at a higher percentage. In a spirit of compromise, they are sometimes also described as "Thraco-Illyrians," a blending of the two "barbarian" tribal groups north of the Greeks. Link: www.jogg.info/32/bird.pdf
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