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Post by Kassandros on Dec 23, 2009 2:00:08 GMT -5
.. to add... Basil II was the Emperor from the MACEDONIAN dynasty of Byzantium Emperors.. A Macedonian Emperor couldnt not be named... "Macedonian Slayer"..
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Post by rusebg on Dec 23, 2009 3:12:02 GMT -5
Basil II was called so because there was no Novi to tell him which people he was fighting against. As simple as that.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 23, 2009 4:12:48 GMT -5
"I wonder why Basil II was called the 'Bulgar Slayer' and not the 'Macedonian Slayer' or the 'Serb Slayer'." lol, simple because the foreign bulgar empire was occupying a region which wasn't theirs, again the serbs arrive first and settle first and anything before the 9th century for the bulgars is only bulgar raids Forget about Khan Kuber lmao
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 23, 2009 5:01:17 GMT -5
.. to add... Basil II was the Emperor from the MACEDONIAN dynasty of Byzantium Emperors.. A Macedonian Emperor couldnt not be named... "Macedonian Slayer".. while he had just the name...and was anything but Macedonian...rather closer to your beloved friends the Pontians. ;D The Macedonian dynasty was an (ethnically) Armenian dynasty.
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Post by Patrinos on Dec 23, 2009 9:21:23 GMT -5
His mother was from Sparta... And his paternal family from Andrianoupolis...not much Armenian indeed...
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Post by ivo on Dec 23, 2009 10:57:11 GMT -5
This reference to MACEDONIAN is a regional one in this case as well. Basil II was of Armenian ethnic origins, and came from the region of Macedonia.
He could not be a "Macedonian Slayer", becasue the people he fought against of Samuil's Empire were Bulgarians.. not Macedonians, not Serbians, or whatever other ethnic group Novi may want to believe they were.
WOW, how stupid is this guy really!? So, it was indeed the Serbs that were defeated by Basil, and that 14,000 soldiers that were blinded were indeed Serbs and not Bulgarians, and that's why Basill II is known as the "Bulgar Slayer (Bulgaroctonos)". Novi, you've reached a new level of idiocy. And BTW, that 14,000 soldiers were drafted from the region of Macedonia as most of Eastern Bulgaria was already under Byzantine rule.
Ok then, great.. so you guys are aware of this.
What's your deal with the Armenians? So what if he was of Armenian ethnic origin!? The East Roman Empire reached it's golden age under Basil II, he played an important role in the history of that empire as a citizen of it.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 23, 2009 18:32:30 GMT -5
^ its not stupid Asen, its just like your quote you are using from Demosthenes, you know Demosthenes' quote is saying that the majority of the exarchate teachers were vardarians, why?, its because Bulgarian agents worked in vardar to convert them to the bulgarian cause and the methods they used was not kind at all.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 24, 2009 6:21:07 GMT -5
Long live Tasmania!!! Free Tasmania and down with the opression of Australian capitalists like Novi!!!!
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Post by Kastorianos on Dec 24, 2009 12:17:11 GMT -5
His mother was from Sparta... And his paternal family from Andrianoupolis...not much Armenian indeed... patrine...just because he was born or grew up in Adrianoupolis...it doesnt make him a Greek. His paternal side was from Armenia, Basil I, the founder of that dynasty was born to Armenian parents. It doesn matter what the mother of Basil II was...his paternal side was Armenian, thus the whole dynasty is Armenian in origin. Thus it is also called Armenian dynasty. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_dynastyThis example shows very well how assimilation, graecization took place in the Byzantine Empire. You could become a Roman citizen and even the Emperor as long as you were Greek speaking and orthodox. All of the assimilated people got Greek names, so if someone has the name Basil or Nikiforos it doesnt make him Greek in origin. People must understand that at this time it was not important if you were Greek in origin...much more important was to be orthodox. Becoming "Greek"..means part of the Roman society ...was quite easy...just an orthodox baptism. No comparison to today...but modern Greeks are nothing else then the result of this quite liberal naturalization policy...
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Post by rusebg on Dec 24, 2009 12:37:07 GMT -5
According to some historians, Samuil's mother, Ripsimia, was Armenian. Kind of ironic, if you think about the wars between Samuil and Basi II as wars between two rulers with partly Armenian origin.
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Post by ivo on Dec 24, 2009 14:13:10 GMT -5
Very well said. Back then it seems the paternal side was the primary decisive factor. Let's also remember that the most powerful Serbian rulers were results of political unions between the daughters or sisters of the Bulgarian Tsars/Emperors. For example, Stefan Uros III had a Bulgarian mother and a Serbian father. Stefan Uros IV also had a Bulgarian mother, and a half-Bulgarian half-Serbian father, making him 3/4th Bulgarian and 1/4th Serbian. Stefan Uros V, had a Bulgarian mother and a 3/4th Bulgarian father.. Bulgarian Emperors also married East Roman princesses and Hungarian princesses for example. Ironically, the Turk that defeated Bulgaria and Byzantium, had either a Bulgarian or a Byzantine mother.. I don’t quite remember.
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Post by Kassandros on Dec 24, 2009 17:06:16 GMT -5
.. to add... Basil II was the Emperor from the MACEDONIAN dynasty of Byzantium Emperors.. A Macedonian Emperor couldnt not be named... "Macedonian Slayer".. while he had just the name...and was anything but Macedonian...rather closer to your beloved friends the Pontians. ;D The Macedonian dynasty was an (ethnically) Armenian dynasty. I think you have the feeling I dont like Pontians very much.. By the way.. yes.. some scholars say he was not Macedonian and his was Armenian. But... again the story is the same: One who chooses to carry the Macedonian name.. couldnt be killing "Macedonians". Thats for sure. He was killing Bulgarians. ...and most propably.. the ones who claim today they're pure "Macedonians".. ;D
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Post by ivo on Dec 24, 2009 17:53:10 GMT -5
Yup, sounds about right.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 24, 2009 19:37:35 GMT -5
"According to some historians, Samuil's mother, Ripsimia, was Armenian. Kind of ironic, if you think about the wars between Samuil and Basi II as wars between two rulers with partly Armenian origin."
isn't it quite ironic when l said that his mother was Armenian awhile ago all l get from you Bulgar boys is your stupid, serbian propaganda etc.....
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 24, 2009 19:39:12 GMT -5
"Yup, sounds about right."
Nah, not right ;D
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Post by ivo on Dec 24, 2009 20:19:37 GMT -5
Novi, go find Gyrro.. I think he's bending over and waiting somewhere.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 25, 2009 18:05:22 GMT -5
^ no need for insanities, thank god my mind isn't as twisted and thinks of such disgusting things.
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Post by L0gjICK on Dec 25, 2009 18:08:52 GMT -5
I hate to use Melty's words, but the Kaurs are trolling my thread.
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Post by rusebg on Dec 25, 2009 18:18:53 GMT -5
Yes, you are, but not because of Samuil's mother. No one has said anything about her, stop inventing stories. Go find another cangaroo to kick you in the head, it might have a reverse effect and pour some sense in your otherwise helpless brain.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 25, 2009 18:36:08 GMT -5
^ You and Ioan denied he had an Armenian mother lmao
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