Nikola
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Post by Nikola on Jan 19, 2010 4:06:37 GMT -5
Nikola, slovenes, croats, serbs, bosnians, montenegrins and Vardarians (Macedonia) are one nation, hence why we had a yugo. I agree with you to a point; Macedonians are borderline. Some are, some are not. People from Skopje are. But Bitola, Ohrid, etc, no.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 19, 2010 4:20:12 GMT -5
^ Nikola, fair enough, its your opinion, l've got nothing against it. I used to think the northern regions like:
Tetovo, polog regions, skopje, crna gora, kumanovo, kratovo, sv. nikola etc...are regions of serbs, but when l've done my research, l can safely say that the whole territory is serbian. Believe me Nikola, the 99.9% of serbs are ignorant of the region, hence why even sometimes my family take crap because they are from kosovo.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 19, 2010 4:22:36 GMT -5
"Please, do not teach me in Bulgarian, ok?"
Gettin alittle agressive Ruse ;D
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 19, 2010 4:26:00 GMT -5
"On a seperate note...I dont find the term slav insulting. Maybe he has personal issues with it, but i happen to have pride in that fact.
To me slav can be an ethnic term. Espescially northern slavs...how else would you define them ?
Fine, Russians have some tatar and viking mix in them. But Poles ? Ukrainians ? You cant get more slavic then them..."
Chalke, l agree with every single point you said, l don't find slav insulting at all. Bulgars here get insulted and throw the word racist out when l tell them that the name Bulgar is Turkic derived.
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Post by ioan on Jan 19, 2010 4:28:23 GMT -5
Nikola, slovenes, croats, serbs, bosnians, montenegrins and Vardarians (Macedonia) are one nation, hence why we had a yugo. I agree with you to a point; Macedonians are borderline. Some are, some are not. People from Skopje are. But Bitola, Ohrid, etc, no. At least I sense some sense here . Though if you search for serbs u have to go north of Skopie.
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ioan
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Post by ioan on Jan 19, 2010 4:30:59 GMT -5
Well of course our languages are similar. They are both based on Old Church Slavonic. yes and they were one and the same language 50 years ago. After years of serbanization of Macedonians I can still understand 100 percent of what you guys are saying. To me that is a big give away that we are one people: I mean we have the same language, culture, religion, myths, songs etc. Practically everything was the same till 50 years ago.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 19, 2010 6:18:09 GMT -5
LOL, Highduke's page is your research? Stop fooling people, Novi, you haven't done any research by yourself. We both know where your sources come from.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 19, 2010 6:23:03 GMT -5
^ So its a new conspiracy theory now Ruse?, l've noticed a few members mention this to me.
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Post by rusebg on Jan 19, 2010 6:33:31 GMT -5
No conspiracy here. Your sources are exactly what Highduke had on his page. At least show some descency and pay respect to this guy because he made some efforts to collect this and you are so insolent to present it as your research. Shame on you!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Jan 19, 2010 6:43:33 GMT -5
^ its a conspiracy theory, l've found a tonne of books and l've done my reading, some of the books l gathered are so old that they were about to fall apart. I know what vardar is about.
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Post by chalkedon on Jan 19, 2010 8:30:27 GMT -5
good question...i see a lot of skopians sporting that look lately in dances and what not. they look like wing chun kung fu pants..lol.
anyway i thought that was esclusivly albanian.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jan 19, 2010 8:37:06 GMT -5
I don't get it either. It looks like they're wearing the Serbian hat as well.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 19, 2010 9:21:24 GMT -5
I hate this method of arguing that Risto uses. It's entirely about attempting to destroy an existing theory (which he does very poorly) without spending hardly a moment offering, elaborating on or justifying an alternative. I mean lets just focus on what his actual theory is - which is that slavs took their language from the ancient Macedonians to the rest of the Balkans to the rest of slavic lands. That's what he tried to sneak in there and I mean if we look at what Risto is claiming rather than what he is just trying to destroy, the alternative would be so much more easily destroyed using his own methods. I think slavs migrated but they also mixed heavily with natives and also left a strong trace in Greeks and Albanians. If genetics has proven anything it's that we are all heavily mixed so in that sense I still highly favour the idea that he holders of that culture are the ones who have political rights to it.
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Post by chalkedon on Jan 19, 2010 9:33:40 GMT -5
Well said Arsenije...
I also agree that slavs mixed with natives....espescially the balkan slavs in comparison to the northern ones.
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Post by chalkedon on Jan 19, 2010 9:38:04 GMT -5
Hey logic...you have one more group of ppl to argue about the fustanella ;D
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Post by ivo on Jan 19, 2010 9:43:23 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s pretty good. That was dead on Bulgarian. Although, I’ve said it before, there are bound to be some differences as both Macedonian and Bulgarian are dialects of the same language. What an idiot. Nikola, where you from? Skopje? Agreed. The supposed ‘similarity’ to Serbs is almost only political. And we also need to consider that when the Serbs and Greeks occupied Macedonia, the ‘Macedonians’ willingly immigrated to Bulgaria as they saw both Serbs and Greeks as foreign elements. Throw in the fact that half the population of Sofia is formed by descendents of these Macedonians who call themselves Bulgarians. Throw in the fact that those Macedonians (Macedono-Bulgarians more accurately) that immigrated to the West, built churches and called them ‘Macedono-Bulgarian’, not Macedno-Serbian. Let's see if Nikola is willing to elaborate.
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Nikola
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Post by Nikola on Jan 19, 2010 16:24:17 GMT -5
So what are you trying to imply? What are the Southern Macedonians from Bitola and Ohrid then? Bulgarian? What they are, I will leave up to you and Novi to argue about. But what they are not like, is like people from Skopje and the rest of the former Yugoslavia. From my experience. And yes, I' am from Skopje.
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Post by L0gjICK on Jan 19, 2010 16:29:01 GMT -5
So what are you trying to imply? What are the Southern Macedonians from Bitola and Ohrid then? Bulgarian? What they are, I will leave up to you and Novi to argue about. But what they are not like, is like people from Skopje and the rest of the former Yugoslavia. From my experience. And yes, I' am from Skopje. Honestly I don't care too much about what Macedonians are. But I do have a problem when Macedonians claim antiquity and use these superficial claims to caste the Albanians as new comers. So you believe the Macedonians in Southern Macedonia are different then those of the North? In dialects and physical attributes I suppose? Correct? What exactly do you think the Macedonians from the South are? PS: Would you happen to knwo what areas in Macedonia wear the costume I posted before?
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Post by Nikola on Jan 19, 2010 17:16:59 GMT -5
Honestly I don't care too much about what Macedonians are. But I do have a problem when Macedonians claim antiquity and use these superficial claims to caste the Albanians as new comers. I disagree with casting Albanians as newcomers. I believe you Albanians are just as indigenous to your lands as everyone else in the Balkans. So you believe the Macedonians in Southern Macedonia are different then those of the North? In dialects and physical attributes I suppose? Correct? What exactly do you think the Macedonians from the South are? Yes, physical appearance and some dialect differences and even some cultural. But today, the people are all Macedonian, whether right or wrong. I' am Macedonian but I don't claim any link to Macedonians of ancient times. Would you happen to knwo what areas in Macedonia wear the costume I posted before? I don't, I'm sorry.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 20, 2010 3:47:57 GMT -5
I just wanted to say Happy New year to all my friends here: Novi, Chalkedon, Nikola, Arsenije.
Sretna Nova Godina Arsenijo! Srecna Nova Godina Novi, Nikola! Kalh Xronia Chalkedon/Expat!
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