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Post by Kassandros on Oct 3, 2009 0:36:33 GMT -5
British archaeologist Iain Shearer, a fellow of the Royal Asiatic Society, says neither side has any real grounds for claiming Alexander. “For modern Greece to say that Alexander was Greek is as absurd as Macedonians who claim that Alexander was Macedonian,” he said. “The terms don’t mean anything … The only real commonality to the situation is accidents of geography and history.”Why we should listen just one British indiferent archaeologist... since we all know how British foreign policy affects situations in Britain..? .... .. and not a German (not only archaelogist but the director of the museum) and what he reveals? illyria.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=makedonijamacedonia&action=display&thread=26903I tend to trust more the neutral European historians, archaeologists, publishers etc etc.. than US and UK ones? Am I wrong?
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 3, 2009 0:40:27 GMT -5
I agree, even though I really do not need a British archaeologist to tell me so. Anyone that reads and listens to what they read would understand that there is no irrefutable evidence that the ancient Macedonians were Greek or Slavic. For the ancient Macedonians to take on the Greek language and culture is commendable, but that is all that it is. Remember, most of the inhabitants of the Byzantine empire spoke Greek, even though they were not all Greek. Of course in Byzantine Empire the language was Greek for all citizens.... and ofcourse in Roman Empire the language was Latin for all citizens.. BUT something you forgot to say is that the citizens of both empires who were NOT Greeks or Romans in descent were spoken TWO languages; The one of the empire and the one of their nationality! In the case of Macedonians.... you know very well there is no "Macedonian" separate language from the Greek one. At least there is not even 1 WORD discovered among the 1 million ones found around Macedonia region. So... for one more time.... your critical thinking in your arguments, is above all expectations. ;D ;D
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Post by ioan on Oct 3, 2009 3:32:32 GMT -5
yes, unlike the Thracians and the Ilirians who are attested to have spoken a different language, what remained of the Macedonians as far as language goes is Greek language. If there was any difference between Greek and Macedonian it was as between a standart language and dialect (something like Bulgarian and Macedonian before the imposed Serbian words).
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Post by macmako on Oct 3, 2009 11:11:12 GMT -5
I do not believe that. There are a few words of ancient Macedonian, but no complete language. You know very well that this has happened to many ancient languages. There is no irrefutable proof that there was no ancient Macedonian mother language.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 3, 2009 12:24:49 GMT -5
Yeah, and where are the sources Alexander had to learn Greek somewhere because it was a foreign language to him? Forget it, Demosthen. Why bothering to defend the undefendable?
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Post by macmako on Oct 3, 2009 12:32:14 GMT -5
I have been there, and done that, with links and sources. I have broadcast my views on this issue before. Find them, then read to your hearts content.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 3, 2009 12:45:46 GMT -5
I do not believe that. There are a few words of ancient Macedonian, but no complete language. You know very well that this has happened to many ancient languages. There is no irrefutable proof that there was no ancient Macedonian mother language. The few words you reffer to... are Dorian words and some are still in use in some parts of real Macedonia like my village. Again.. these Dorian words.. have to do with Dorians. Nothing to compare about. Also, yes.. many ancient languages were vanished... but NEVER from an Empire! Search yourself.. Now.... do you want us to believe that Macedonian's Empire language... was the only one vavished... and without any written evidences too?!
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Post by macmako on Oct 3, 2009 12:49:20 GMT -5
You are quite welcome to post your views here. But do not put it in a way as to try and convince others. That is the beauty of different views stated as such. But please excuse me if I am not convinced with your views on this issue, Basil.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 4, 2009 4:35:13 GMT -5
You are quite welcome to post your views here. But do not put it in a way as to try and convince others. That is the beauty of different views stated as such. But please excuse me if I am not convinced with your views on this issue, Basil. Thats the idea of a forum. To talk and bring arguments in issues. The present issue is not about what people or me do in forums. The issue is here about the language of Macedonians. I'm waiting after your views.. your arguments too, so as to compare them with my arguments so as the forum talkings to have a meaning and not be a forum for trolls with have just views and not arguments.. PS. ah.. and yes... can you stop behaving as a post commounist persona and stop modifying my posts? It could be nice since we talk together... or else it is like you talk alone... and you know.. commounicm is over...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 4, 2009 7:47:17 GMT -5
"It could be nice since we talk together... or else it is like you talk alone... and you know.. commounicm is over... "
when the "communist" yugoslavs (working class) were going to Venice for honeymoon, and to Triest/Budapest for shopping, we the great capitalist greeks were starving to death. i fail to see what bad was about communism. My dad and mom from their trip in Novi Sad, (being an ..... ex-communist city) are still rubbing their eyes about what they saw...
Communism as a term today is used 99% of the occasions as an easy means to downgrade a slavic population/nation/nations and nothing more. So quit the "communism" bonbon at least when it applies to yugoslavia. It is surreal for any greek to criticize yhis country. we are many 100s of years behind.
And finally i will have to be unpleasant to the Macedonians here by saying that as much as you regard e.g. as complete trash the knowledge of any greek about you (and you are 100% correct at this), the same way feel the greeks when Macedonians try to pose theories about what was happening in Greek peoples back in 300 BC, and if Makedonian and Greek were the same language, etc...
In short, we must all, cut the stupidity.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 4, 2009 8:45:05 GMT -5
"something like Bulgarian and Macedonian before the imposed Serbian words."
This is a Hasli Bulgari lie. So who imposed the yat line, serbs?
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 6, 2009 12:18:47 GMT -5
Communism as a term today is used 99% of the occasions as an easy means to downgrade a slavic population/nation/nations and nothing more. Re Pyrro... what that has to do again? Almost in every post of yours, there is your theory that Greeks hate or want to downgrade all Slavic people etc etc etc. Its like somebody somewhere or somehow.. said to you something insulting about the Slavic heritage of your wife.. .and you think that all Greeks hate all Slavs! Cool down mate... I like Slavs more than I like Maniates or Cretans. Cool down dude... I downgrade commounist regimes and what they did to the brains of many people..... not Slavs especcially! How it succeed to make people puppets and not free people and free thinkers. What that has to do with Slavs as a tottal again? Novi is Slav, Ioan is Slav and Demosthenes is Slav. Do I sound like a put them all in the same basket? You create patterns... out of nothing and its getting very boring inside a conversation. I like Slavs more than Maniates or many Cretans. Are you happy now.. ? Cool..?
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Post by rusebg on Oct 6, 2009 16:14:10 GMT -5
Techically I am Slav too. But as a matter of fact, i don't know what this means. I don't want to be compared to emotionless Poles or stupid Slovaks, that is a huge insult. And there is one other myth - that every Slav understands the language of other Slav. This is bollocks, I don't understand a Pole or a Slovak or a Belorussian. And despite if it hurts me or not, I feel closer to any Greek or Romanian or even Turk than to those Slavs as Russians, Belorussians, Poles, etc. This is the Balkans. It is great place. Unfortunately we can not speak in normal manner due to Australian cangaroo breeders as Novi and Serb wanna-bees as Pyrro.
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Post by Kassandros on Oct 6, 2009 16:40:38 GMT -5
Techically I am Slav too. But as a matter of fact, i don't know what this means. I don't want to be compared to emotionless Poles or stupid Slovaks, that is a huge insult. And there is one other myth - that every Slav understands the language of other Slav. This is bollocks, I don't understand a Pole or a Slovak or a Belorussian. And despite if it hurts me or not, I feel closer to any Greek or Romanian or even Turk than to those Slavs as Russians, Belorussians, Poles, etc. This is the Balkans. It is fvcking great place. Unfortunately we can not speak in normal manner due to Australian cangaroo breeders as Novi and Serb wanna-bees as Pyrro. Thats the idea I have for Balkans and Balkanians too. I have also that positive feeling for all Balkanians. How can you explain that to Pyrros... ?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 6, 2009 19:34:56 GMT -5
"Techically I am Slav too."
There is no technicality, either your a slav or Hasli Bulgar, so make up your mind!.
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Post by rusebg on Oct 6, 2009 21:47:19 GMT -5
Of course there is no technicacality. You either speak Serbian or not. You can't. Out, out of here you useless tawt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 6, 2009 22:49:00 GMT -5
^ You didn't answer my question:
Are you a slav like me or Rhezus or are you a Hasli Bulgar?
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Post by ioan on Oct 6, 2009 23:29:38 GMT -5
Yes he is Slav and Bulgar descendant at the same time. We are result of a mix and we are Slav too because of the language. By the way, your grandpa identified as simple Bulgarian 8 years before the existence of the Exarchate so we can say you are "enicharin". Accept your real origin Novi and move on. Or at least learn Simple Bulgarian.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Oct 7, 2009 0:06:12 GMT -5
^ I clearly know my origins, which is slavic and only slavic. However you and ruse are sometimes Hasli Bulgars, then slavs etc...and now a mixture, you two don't know what you are, just lost somewhere in space.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Oct 7, 2009 2:12:17 GMT -5
^ I clearly know my origins, which is slavic and only slavic. However you and ruse are sometimes Hasli Bulgars, then slavs etc... Oh and mystic Thracians too, Novi, dont forget that ingredient of the Bulgo soup! just lost somewhere in space. Just like the declensions system, they dont remember when they lost it, cause they cant remember if they ever had it... (whereas in Greek 4 declensions are used, + the 5th (Dativa) is also sometimes used... so much for their "balkan" union)
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