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Post by general on Oct 9, 2007 9:45:50 GMT -5
Then the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from all of Bosnia.
serb guerrilla wrote this
well RS was found on ethnic cleansing so WTF are you talking about
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 9, 2007 16:02:30 GMT -5
Then the ethnic cleansing of Serbs from all of Bosnia. serb guerrilla wrote this well RS was found on ethnic cleansing so WTF are you talking about So was Bosnia. Or did you forget that your day of independents was in 1943.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 12, 2007 1:10:22 GMT -5
Genocide!
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Post by BIH General on Oct 12, 2007 11:40:12 GMT -5
So was Bosnia. Or did you forget that your day of independents was in 1943.
How was Bosnia was found ethnic cleansing when you cetniks tried to eliminate Bosnian Muslims
WW2 was different from the Yugoslav wars, if Hitler would have been alive there would be no Serbs in Bosnia
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Post by zgembo on Oct 12, 2007 12:09:42 GMT -5
^ You mean to say, if the NAZIs had won, there would be no Serbs in Bosnia today? That is true.
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Post by zgembo on Oct 12, 2007 12:11:10 GMT -5
And RS was not founded on ethnic cleansing. RS was declared by Bosnian Serbs in late 1991. Ethnic cleansing was a product of the war. It was more vicious and planned by the Serbs, but the Federation is as ethnically clean of Serbs today as the RS is of Muslims.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 12, 2007 12:30:11 GMT -5
I agree with the gerneral on that one. By the way welcome to the forum.
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 12, 2007 17:00:27 GMT -5
So was Bosnia. Or did you forget that your day of independents was in 1943. How was Bosnia was found ethnic cleansing when you cetniks tried to eliminate Bosnian Muslims WW2 was different from the Yugoslav wars, if Hitler would have been alive there would be no Serbs in Bosnia How many did the Chetniks kill? 40 or maybe 50 thousand (civilians and soldiers). The Ustasha with the help of the local Bosnian Muslims population killed over 600,000 Serbs (civilians and soldiers). You’ll find that there are no mass graves containing the corpses of Croats and Muslims in Bosnia but there are mass graves containing Serbs being found to this day. Since Bosnia got independence for the first time in 1943 (before that it was always a province or protectorate) while there was genocide being perpetrated then Bosnia (by Bosnian Muslim definition of RS) was founded on genocide.
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Post by amoureux24 on Oct 12, 2007 17:35:34 GMT -5
Ljudi su ginuli ni zasto.
Najbolji lijek za to bi bila cutnja kako bi se narodi pomirili!
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 12, 2007 19:19:59 GMT -5
If you really think this then you must be really lying to yourself. Bosnia was founded much before the terrible acts of the II war. Do you agree with me that then perhaps that all countries must have been founded on the premise of genocide throughout all history? If you look at it that simply, most history shows much violence, war etc inorder to take over a country.
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 13, 2007 4:04:38 GMT -5
If you really think this then you must be really lying to yourself. Bosnia was founded much before the terrible acts of the II war. Do you agree with me that then perhaps that all countries must have been founded on the premise of genocide throughout all history? If you look at it that simply, most history shows much violence, war etc inorder to take over a country. No it wasn’t. It was either a province or protectorate or simply didn’t exist. In 1943, it was officially declared a separate entity/republic of the committee.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 13, 2007 9:08:52 GMT -5
During the II war Bosnia and it's close neighbours were trying to defend itself from 1. it's internal Serbs and it's Serbian neighbour and 2. the Allies. To say that Bosnia achieved it's freedom through expelling Serbs or trying to is a ridiculous statement.
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Post by Demonel on Oct 13, 2007 9:27:36 GMT -5
"During the II war Bosnia and it's close neighbours were trying to defend itself from 1. it's internal Serbs and it's Serbian neighbour and 2. the Allies. To say that Bosnia achieved it's freedom through expelling Serbs or trying to is a ridiculous statement."
1. There were no Allies in Bosnia 2. The Partisans fought the Axis 3. The Chetniks fought the Partisans 4. The Ustashe fought the Partisans and rarely Chetniks 5. The Green Brigades fought everybody
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 13, 2007 12:19:27 GMT -5
Demonel who were the Partisans Allied to? Where did they get alot of support from? Answer: the Allies, do you want me to tell you know who the Allies were? I don't think I have to as you seem to be smart enough in figuring out who the friends of the Serbs/Partisans were during that time. Im not talking anything about the cetniks now, just the Partisans. Perhaps those certain airstrikes came from thin air or perhaps only from the German side?
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 13, 2007 18:04:48 GMT -5
During the II war Bosnia and it's close neighbours were trying to defend itself from 1. it's internal Serbs and it's Serbian neighbour and 2. the Allies. To say that Bosnia achieved it's freedom through expelling Serbs or trying to is a ridiculous statement. I never said that, thought it did help. I said that Bosnia’s day of independence was during the time genocide was being committed within its boarders, though the genocide was aimed at Serbs, that is not the discussion at the moment. The main thing is that Bosnia celebrates its national day which was on 25 November, 1943, while there was genocide taking place by the majority ethnic group (who were taking orders from the Ustasha) with Bosnia so Bosnia was ‘founded on genocide’. Though I do not honestly believe that either Bosnia or RS was founded on genocide, that is made by hateful and reporters and politicians. I am just stating that it is hypocritical for a Bosnian Muslim to claim that RS was founded on genocide.
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Post by Demonel on Oct 13, 2007 18:20:04 GMT -5
What you fail to see is that people don't commit genocides (Do you really think that Serbs as a people committed genocide in Bosnia?), organizations do. While in WWII Ustashe and NDH committed the genocide, in the last war the genocide was committed by the VRS and the RS police. Bosnia was occupied by the Axis and it was incorporated into NDH (not willingly). Bosnia was liberated by the Partisans and the KPJ. ZAVNOBIH which constituted Bosnia in it’s current borders was not criminal in nature nor was it involved in the genocide against Serbs in WWII (a great majority of Partisans and members of KPJ at ZAVNOBIH were in fact Serbs). So your argumentation is flawed.
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 13, 2007 19:15:33 GMT -5
What you fail to see is that people don't commit genocides (Do you really think that Serbs as a people committed genocide in Bosnia?), organizations do. While in WWII Ustashe and NDH committed the genocide, in the last war the genocide was committed by the VRS and the RS police. Bosnia was occupied by the Axis and it was incorporated into NDH (not willingly). Bosnia was liberated by the Partisans and the KPJ. ZAVNOBIH which constituted Bosnia in it’s current borders was not criminal in nature nor was it involved in the genocide against Serbs in WWII (a great majority of Partisans and members of KPJ at ZAVNOBIH were in fact Serbs). So your argumentation is flawed. Unlike WW2, the crimes of the last war was committed by individuals and rogue commanders. RS declared independence in 1992 and has never been officially declared a country (whose independence has been enforced by the U.N) much like BiH during the 40s/50s. The people who founded RS had no intention of carrying out a genocide, all crimes were done by the military and no RS politician had any control over the military. The Bosnian puppet state on the other hand had links between government officials and the military, since the state was a protectorate then all the generals would have power in office. BiH was founded by one party of people but the crimes were committed by another party. RS was founded by one party of people but the crimes were committed by another party. You cannot declare one state of being founded on genocide (which has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing by the way) and declare that the other was not.
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Post by Demonel on Oct 14, 2007 9:35:32 GMT -5
Did you acctually read your post? It makes no sence.
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Post by Trazi Vise on Oct 14, 2007 16:22:51 GMT -5
I understand you, but then on what basis was RS founded especially seeing as it's not recognised by not even one country around the world?
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Post by serbguerrilla on Oct 14, 2007 19:13:14 GMT -5
I understand you, but then on what basis was RS founded especially seeing as it's not recognised by not even one country around the world? BiH was not a country during the 50s. Give RS a little more time and we will see if it becomes its own country in time. And just because a country is not recognized by the U.N doesn’t mean it is not a country in the peoples hearts.
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