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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 23, 2010 20:13:01 GMT -5
German finger outraged Greeksåëëáò Τα... φιλελληνικά αισθήματα των Γερμανών είναι γνωστά. Όμως η νέα τους αυτή προσβολή δεν πρέπει να μείνει αναπάντητη. Οπότε για αρχή ξεσκίστε στα μηνύματα το γερμανικό περιοδικό Διαμαρτυρία στο γερμανικό περιοδικό Focus ηλεκτρονική διεύθυνση: leserbriefe@focus-magazin.de
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 4:05:53 GMT -5
eh, dikaioligmena einai...signomi alla otan o germanos exei provlimata me tin oikonomia genikos kai exei to lamogio ellina na ksini ta arxidia tou, pos mporeis na thimosis mazi tous ? O germanos foroligoumenos prepi na sikosi to logariasmo gia emas ?
Alloste milame gia ena periodiko kai apopsi. Den exei na kani me to germaniko lao.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 5:29:56 GMT -5
FOCUS «Áðáôåþíåò óôçí åõñùïéêïãÝíåéá» ïé ¸ëëçíåò
«Áðáôåþíåò óôçí åõñù-ïéêïãÝíåéá», «ïé Åëëçíåò ìÜò óôåñïýí ôá ÷ñÞìáôÜ ìáò», «áðáôåþíåò ôïõ Íüôïõ èá áñðÜîïõí ôá ëåöôÜ ôùí ôßìéùí Ãåñìáíþí öïñïëïãïõìÝíùí», ìåñéêÝò áðü ôéò áíáöïñÝò-ðñüêëçóç ôïõ ðåñéïäéêïý «Focus». Áêñáßá ðñüêëçóç êáôÜ ôçò ÅëëÜäáò áðü ôï ãåñìáíéêü ðåñéïäéêü «Focus», ôï ïðïßï óôï ðñùôïóÝëéäï ôçò íÝáò ÝêäïóÞò ôïõ áðåéêïíßæåé ôçí Áöñïäßôç ôçò ÌÞëïõ, óå åðåîåñãáóßá Photoshop, íá ÷åéñïíïìåß ÷õäáßá ìå ðñïôåôáìÝíï ôï ìåóáßï äÜêôõëï. Åðé÷åéñþíôáò íá ðëÞîåé ôï êýñïò ôçò ÅëëÜäáò, áëëÜ êáé îåðåñíþíôáò êÜèå üñéï åõðñÝðåéáò êáé éóôïñéêïý óåâáóìïý, ôï åâäïìáäéáßï ðåñéïäéêü åìöáíßæåé ôï Üãáëìá, óå öùôïãñáöéêü ìïíôÜæ, íôõìÝíï áðü ôç ìÝóç êáé êÜôù ìå ôçí åëëçíéêÞ óçìáßá. Ôï öùôïãñáöéêü ìïíôÜæ óõíïäåýåôáé áðü ôïí êåíôñéêü ôßôëï «Áðáôåþíåò óôçí åõñù-ïéêïãÝíåéá» êáé õðüôéôëï: «Ïé Eëëçíåò ìáò óôåñïýí ôá ÷ñÞìáôÜ ìáò» êáé «Té ãßíåôáé óå Éóðáíßá, Ðïñôïãáëßá êáé Éôáëßá;». Óôçí éóôïóåëßäá ôïõ ðåñéïäéêïý ìå ôï êáêüãïõóôï äçìïóßåõìá, ðïõ êéíåßôáé óôá üñéá ôïõ ñáôóéóìïý, ðáñïõóéÜæåôáé âßíôåï óôï ïðïßï Ýíá æåõãÜñé Ãåñìáíþí äçëþíïõí áíÞóõ÷ïé ãéá ôï êáôÜ ðüóï ïé áðáôåþíåò ôïõ Íüôïõ èá áñðÜîïõí ôá ëåöôÜ ôùí ôßìéùí Ãåñìáíþí öïñïëïãïõìÝíùí. ÐáñÜëëçëá, ïé äýï ðñùôáãùíéóôÝò ôïõ âßíôåï äéáâÜæïõí ìå éäéáßôåñç ðñïóï÷Þ ìßá óåéñÜ áðü Üñèñá êáé ñåðïñôÜæ ôïõ ðåñéïäéêïý, ôá ïðïßá ðåñéãñÜöïõí ôçí åóùôåñéêÞ äçìïóéïíïìéêÞ ýöåóç óôçí ÅëëÜäá êáé ôéò åðéðôþóåéò ðïõ êÜôé ôÝôïéï ìðïñåß íá Ý÷åé óå åõñùðáúêü åðßðåäï. Ôï æåõãÜñé ôùí Ãåñìáíþí óôÝêåôáé ìÜëéóôá ó’ Ýíá éäéáßôåñá ðñïóâëçôéêü ñåðïñôÜæ ìå ôßôëï: «Äýï ÷éëéÜäåò ÷ñüíéá ðßóù. Áðü ôçí êïýíéá ìÝ÷ñé ôçí áõëÞ ôçò ÅÅ: ÅëëÜäá, ðáñáêìÞ Üíåõ ðñïçãïõìÝíïõ. Ðþò Ýãéíå áõôü;». ¸íá Üëëï Üñèñï áõôÞò ôçò êáôçãïñßáò öÝñåé ôïí ôßôëï: «Ç ðôþ÷åõóç ôçò ÅëëÜäáò» êáé óå áõôü, ìåôáîý Üëëùí, ðáñïõóéÜæïíôáé óôáôéóôéêÜ óôïé÷åßá êáé äéáãñÜììáôá ìå ôçí ðôùôéêÞ ðïñåßá ôïõ åõñþ, êáèþò åðßóçò áðåéêïíßæïíôáé ÷þñåò ôùí ïðïßùí ôï éóïæýãéï ôïõ ðñïûðïëïãéóìïý âñßóêåôáé óôï «êüêêéíï».
ÅðéóôïëÞ- ðñüêëçóç Ôï ôåëåõôáßï ôåý÷ïò ôïõ ãåñìáíéêïý åâäïìáäéáßïõ ðåñéïäéêïý «Stern» êéíåßôáé óå áíôßóôïé÷ï ìÞêïò êýìáôïò, äçìïóéåýïíôáò åðéóôïëÞ ðñïò ôïõò ¸ëëçíåò ðïëßôåò, ìå ôßôëï «¸ëëçíåò ðïëßôåò». «ÌåôÜ ôéò ôñÜðåæåò», åðéóçìáßíåé ï óõíôÜêôçò ôçò åðéóôïëÞò Â. Âßëåíâåìðåñ, «èá ðñÝðåé ôþñá ïé Ãåñìáíïß íá óþóïõí êáé ôçí ÅëëÜäá. Ðñþôá Ýêáíáí áë÷çìåßåò ïé ¸ëëçíåò óôï åõñþ êáé ôþñá, áíôß íá êÜíïõí ïéêïíïìßåò, áðåñãïýí». Óôçí åðéóôïëÞ, ï Âßëåíâåìðåñ óçìåéþíåé üôé: «Åìåßò Ý÷ïõìå óõíåéóöÝñåé üóï êáíåßò Üëëïò óôï êïéíü ôáìåßï, äçëáäÞ ãýñù óôá 200 äéó. åõñþ, åíþ åóåßò Ý÷åôå, áíôßèåôá, åéóðñÜîåé êáôÜ êåöáëÞí üóá êáíåßò Üëëïò, äçëáäÞ ó÷åäüí 100 äéó. åõñþ. Åßóôå êõñéïëåêôéêÜ ïé ðéï áêñéâïß ìáò ößëïé». Ï ßäéïò åðéóçìáßíåé áêüìá: «Óôçí ÅÅ åßóôå ï ëáüò ðïõ îïäåýåé ôá ìåãáëýôåñá ðïóÜ óå êáôáíáëùôéêÜ áãáèÜ. Èá èÝëáìå ï ðñùèõðïõñãüò óáò íá ðñï÷ùñÞóåé óôï ðñüãñáììÜ ôïõ, üìùò ðñïöáíþò äåí ôï èÝëåôå åóåßò, áöïý óõíå÷ßæåôå áðôüçôïé íá áðåñãåßôå. Ìç ìáò ëÝôå, ëïéðüí, üôé ìüíï ïé ðïëéôéêïß åõèýíïíôáé ãéá ôçí êáôáóôñïöÞ».
«ÄéÜâçìá» ÐåôóÜëíéêïõ óôïí Ãåñìáíü ðñÝóâç Ôçí ïñãéóìÝíç áíôßäñáóç ôïõ ðñïÝäñïõ ôçò ÂïõëÞò Ö. ÐåôóÜëíéêïõ ðñïêÜëåóå ôï «ìðáñÜæ» ôùí áíèåëëçíéêþí äçìïóéåõìÜôùí óôç Ãåñìáíßá. Ãéá ôï ëüãï áõôü Ý÷åé êáëÝóåé óÞìåñá óôï ãñáöåßï ôïõ ôïí Ãåñìáíü ðñÝóâç óôç ÷þñá ìáò, ðñïêåéìÝíïõ íá äéáìáñôõñçèåß ãéá ôá äçìïóéåýìáôá ãåñìáíéêþí ðåñéïäéêþí ðïõ «äõóöçìïýí ôçí ÅëëÜäá».
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2010 6:37:16 GMT -5
eh, dikaioligmena einai...signomi alla otan o germanos exei provlimata me tin oikonomia genikos kai exei to lamogio ellina na ksini ta arxidia tou, pos mporeis na thimosis mazi tous ? O germanos foroligoumenos prepi na sikosi to logariasmo gia emas ? Alloste milame gia ena periodiko kai apopsi. Den exei na kani me to germaniko lao. The German has the most benefits from the EU. Much more from the money they give to other EU members. Their products(electronics, cars etc) have huge privileges while exported in other EU members, including Greece, because of the free exchange of "people and products", while Americans and Japanese for example add to their prices the duties after the importation...destroying any sense of antagonism. When they give one billion to Greece they take back two after when we buy bending submarines and Leopards... When they give another billion to Greece they oblige the governments to "prefer" German investment banks for loans even if the interests are higher there... They can't talk about the EU benefits ...
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 7:04:17 GMT -5
Oraia...emeis san ellines ti prosferoume stin evropi ektos apo hlio, thalassa kai eripia pou legete arxaia ellada ?
defteron, me toso lefta pou exei pesi edo mesa...pou einai ta apotelesmata ? Milame gia dis ekatommiria evro pou exoune figi me ton aera.
Milas gia amyntika eksoplismo...eksoplismo pou exoune " agorasti " pou den yparxoun. Eksoplismo pou exoune agorasti kai den doulevoun. Paidia, sygnomi alla taleftai esthanoume toso orgi kai apelpisia pou den ksero pos na antidraso. Mia fora akomi eimaste protoselido gia tis anikanotites mas. Rezili teleios..
Otan erxetai o skopianos i kapios allos malakas kai sou leei oti den exeis tipota koino me tous arxaio ellenies, ti mpori na peis ? Emaiste apantoi tora kai dyo xiliades xronia. An den ypirxe afto to forum na ksepaso tha eixa frikari entelos omos....
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 24, 2010 8:20:32 GMT -5
DIKAIO ECHEI O GERMANOS! Poli petichimeni i Afroditi. Sfodres antidraseis tou aksizoun tou ellinikou kratous mono! Ftanei pia! Arketa echete faei Ellines mou! Mathete na zeite analoga me tis oikonomikes dinatotites tis choras sas! Stamatiste na zeite eis waros tis Europis me dis. chrei! Den tha plironoume emeis tin kali zoi ton Ellinon! Den tha ksekolonomaste emeis stin douleia gia na echoume ton Ellina mi mo apto! Ksechaste ta auta pleon. Echoun kai oi Germanoi kai Galloi terastia prowlimata...den tha echoume epipleon kai ton chawa ton Ellinon.
Taksi kai pitharcheia! Edo kai tora...ta asteia teleiosan!! Pou zeite nomizete...an den mporeis Ellas...ekso apo tin Eurozoni! Edo kai tora. Kai den ischiei mono gia tin Ellada...gia oles tis chores.
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Post by Vizier of Oz on Feb 24, 2010 8:40:28 GMT -5
Greece responds to Germany's media slap24 February 2010 / 12:02:50 GRReporter Gallery21German magazine Focus published an extremely provocative article against Greece. On its first page the magazine published a collage of the statue of Aphrodite de Milo showing a middle finger and the article’s headline says "Deceivers in the European family." In an attempt to destroy the already shattered prestige of the country, but in a very indecent way with no respect for history, the weekly magazine expressed its view that "the Greek taxpayers deprive us of our money." The website, where the almost racist article is uploaded, also presents a video which shows an elderly Germans couple who declare how restless they are because of fraudsters from the southern countries who are taking the money of honest German taxpayers. Indignation by Greek politicians and the public is completely understandable, write in their comment the Greek daily newspaper Kathimerini, but the choice to respond with insults is not the most correct as well. On the contrary - there is a risk of crisis in the relations of Greece with key partners at a time when Greece is in need of support. The beginning was put by the chairman of the parliament Filipos Petsalnikos, who decided to complain to the German ambassador in Athens, with whom he wished to have a meeting today. At the meeting, Mr. Petsalnikos will express the strong indignation of the Greek deputies and he will recall that Germany was financed by the EU for its infrastructure and economy after the fall of the Berlin wall, in order to integrate the eastern part. Mr. Petsalnikos also sent a letter to the magazine, in which he notes that Greece is a major customer of German arms manufacturers. Since the article talks about the high salaries of the Greeks, the parliament chairman compared the salary of a German teacher who after 30 years of service receives €4 400, respectively, while a Greek teacher gets €2 200. Athens Mayor Nikitas Kaklamanis addressed personally Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel: "You owe us Kalavrita, you owe us Distomo, you owe us 70 billion from the ruins you have forsaken us." The leader of the right party LAOS George Karadzaferis said that as a response to the publication he has prepared a letter accompanied by tourist maps of Greece with satire, which can give ideas for other covers in the future. PASOK's parliamentary representative Petros Evtimiou noted that "instead of Germany showing the finger of Aphrodite de Milo, it must realize that it is sitting on it." www.grreporter.info/en/greece_responds_germanys_media_slap/2136
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2010 8:40:47 GMT -5
Na pane na gamithoune oi Germanarades pou tha milisoun gia apateonies kai lamogia... mi vgazoun ahna me auto poy ginetai stin Evropaiki Enosi pou ehoun 10 fores perissotera ofeli ap'oti i Ellada. To oti emeis to paragamisame einai allo thema, kai prepei na to lysoyme monoi mas. Kai to fainomeno auto tis teleutaias triakontaetias, tis spatalis zois, mono eunoise ti Germaniki oikonomia afou ta perissotera eisagomena proionta einai germanika... na stamatisei to paramythi oti oi kakomoiroi Germanoi forologoumenoi plironoun ta dika mas bouzoukia kai panygiria...
I can't accept these Nazi's grandchildren to use a Greek masterpiece to diminish Greeks. Maybe Germans are the last people who can talk about Hellenism and generally civilization... they should accept their role as the diachronic destroyers of any civilization and human dignity, since their barbaric hordes in the middle ages till our grandfathers' age and their unrivalled barbarism and disgusting level that led the whole humanity.
50 years are not much........
(and they talk about economy while and their own debt its about 70% of GDP...about 2.5 TRILLION US$)
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 8:52:47 GMT -5
O kaklamanis theli 70 dis ?
Kai pes oti i germanoi tha dosoun ta lefta. Pistevete oti tha to doume emeis ta lefta ? Tha to moirasoune pali metaksi tous i poustides...
Telos panton, Patrine...se katalavaino file alla einai afto pou eipes. To exoume paragamisi to thema. Yparxoun synepies gia oti praksi kanoume...Aftoi pou kyvernane eprepe na to kseroune afto. Milame gia to aftonoito.
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2010 9:04:24 GMT -5
Ego den thelo na paroume oute ena evro apo tous kologermanarades alla min vgainoun ki apo pano ta zoudia. Les kai den xeroume ti soi moutra einai oi paliovarvaroi. Kalo einai na xeroun oti ta hrostane auta ta 70dis... i Ellada plirone tosa hronia tin Tourkia meta to 1897 giati kaname malakia pou kaname polemo, ki as min tous prokalesame katastrofes analoges m'autes to nazogermanon toy 40...
O Germanos einai sygkekalimmenos varvaros, kai otan tou dothei i eukairia ekdilonei ta varvarika tou enstikta. (btw to xereis oti mehri na paei i prigkipissa Theophano ta gidia trogane me ta xeria...?)
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 24, 2010 9:10:23 GMT -5
Na pane na gamithoune oi Germanarades pou tha milisoun gia apateonies kai lamogia... mi vgazoun ahna me auto poy ginetai stin Evropaiki Enosi pou ehoun 10 fores perissotera ofeli ap'oti i Ellada. To oti emeis to paragamisame einai allo thema, kai prepei na to lysoyme monoi mas. Kai to fainomeno auto tis teleutaias triakontaetias, tis spatalis zois, mono eunoise ti Germaniki oikonomia afou ta perissotera eisagomena proionta einai germanika... na stamatisei to paramythi oti oi kakomoiroi Germanoi forologoumenoi plironoun ta dika mas bouzoukia kai panygiria... I can't accept these Nazi's grandchildren to use a Greek masterpiece to diminish Greeks. Maybe Germans are the last people who can talk about Hellenism and generally civilization... they should accept their role as the diachronic destroyers of any civilization and human dignity, since their barbaric hordes in the middle ages till our grandfathers' age and their unrivalled barbarism and disgusting level that led the whole humanity. 50 years are not much........ (and they talk about economy while and their own debt its about 70% of GDP...about 2.5 TRILLION US$) Ohhh....now you are becoming impertinent. Germany has offered a multiple more to Greece and the Greeks than vice versa. To say the Germans do benefit from Greece...is simply not right because its not the German state that sells German cars to Greece. And no comment about the nazi time...you are playing now the same card the Jews are always playing when they are in distress. Cheap move. The Germans have a great culture, if you had read about it you wouldnt talk like that. Besides...what does this have to do with the topic? And yes...among others it was the german tax payers who were paying your good life till now. Who else? All the billions of subventions. No other country has gotten more than Greece till now...except for Spain. Of course the German companies have benefitted from Greece, too...but what numbers are we talking about? Greece is a small country...and I dont see many made in Germany products in Greece. There are for example much more french and asian cars in Greece than german ones..simply because German products are expensive. And...the German tax payer did surely not benefit at all from all this. Most German companies do produce outside of Germany today. If you are in the glasshouse...you shouldnt throw stones at that. Greece is not in the position to become naughty. Not in the least.
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 24, 2010 9:12:30 GMT -5
Ego den thelo na paroume oute ena evro apo tous kologermanarades alla min vgainoun ki apo pano ta zoudia. Les kai den xeroume ti soi moutra einai oi paliovarvaroi. Kalo einai na xeroun oti ta hrostane auta ta 70dis... i Ellada plirone tosa hronia tin Tourkia meta to 1897 giati kaname malakia pou kaname polemo, ki as min tous prokalesame katastrofes analoges m'autes to nazogermanon toy 40... O Germanos einai sygkekalimmenos varvaros, kai otan tou dothei i eukairia ekdilonei ta varvarika tou enstikta. (btw to xereis oti mehri na paei i prigkipissa Theophano ta gidia trogane me ta xeria...?) haha tetoia entiposi echete loipon ekei kato gia tous Germanous. Se pliroforo oti eisai poli lathos.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 9:15:52 GMT -5
Ego den thelo na paroume oute ena evro apo tous kologermanarades alla min vgainoun ki apo pano ta zoudia. Les kai den xeroume ti soi moutra einai oi paliovarvaroi. Kalo einai na xeroun oti ta hrostane auta ta 70dis... i Ellada plirone tosa hronia tin Tourkia meta to 1897 giati kaname malakia pou kaname polemo, ki as min tous prokalesame katastrofes analoges m'autes to nazogermanon toy 40... O Germanos einai sygkekalimmenos varvaros, kai otan tou dothei i eukairia ekdilonei ta varvarika tou enstikta. (btw to xereis oti mehri na paei i prigkipissa Theophano ta gidia trogane me ta xeria...?) Ta 70 dis pou nomizis tha kataliksi an plirothoun ? kalytera na mi mas to dousoun. Afto mas eleipe...na trone ta lefta pou exoune skotothi ellines martyres.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 24, 2010 9:27:16 GMT -5
tora pou vrisketai oi ellada se odiniri thesi oi germania kanei ta panta na prosvali to kiros ton ellinon kai tis elladas stin evropaiki enosi me ola ta mesa pou diatheti signomi ftegi olos o ellinikos laos ?spiegel,focus efimerides gia na kanei kerdoskopia isvaros tis ellados mas piezoun kiolas na paroume tanks apo tin germania mono tote tha mas dosoun oikonomiki voithia to eidio kanei kai oi gallia me tis fregates gia tous germanous o skaramangas einai megali eykeria ,epesan oloi oi kolozionistes na mas fane an katalavetai ti thelo na po. den tous endiaferi oi ellada tin doulia tous kanoune emeis ti kanoume ? sto club ton zioniston eu. oles oi kyverniseis itan diaftharmenes apo to 1981 ali plironan eforia ali oxi skandala to ena meta to alo ktl..a.papandreou,mitsotakis,simitis,g.papandreou,karamanlis den doulepsan gia ta synferonta tou topo.veveos se afti tin odiniri stasi pou vriskomaste den ftene mono oi politiki mas ftene kai ta alla krati pou mas katastrepsan me tous polemous kai oute draxmi aposimioseis oute evro eidame mexri tora giati ? ta lefta mas ta ksodevame gia tous eksoplismous gia tin amyna tis patridas apenati stous tourkous tous lathrometanastes ktl.. åëëáò ( Η καταστροφη της ελληνικής οικονομίας από τους Γερμανούς κατακτητές την τριετία 1941-1944 )
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Post by Patrinos on Feb 24, 2010 9:29:27 GMT -5
But when we are talking about Greeks' extravagance this means mainly in German products that have better terms in Greece's economy because of EU... why do you think that Germany is in EU if it had only the obligation to give money to Greece, Spain, Portugal etc... From Christian humanitarians believes....? of course not...they take back the money from the bending sub marines they sell and the tens of Leopards that we buy from them... and the billions of euros that enters their country... And allow me to have my opinion for Germans... not those nice old people with the socks up to the knee and the sandals who flush Thailand and Magadascar for sex tourism.... but the real ones who had shown themselves two generations back, with an unnatural level of barbarism and animal instincts that the world cannot forget and must not. I can't believe that they've changed in 2 generations, and when the euros in their pockets will be less the more they will express their barbarian ego...
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 24, 2010 9:43:25 GMT -5
As the ancient Greek philosopher said,"nothing can be hidden under the sun". The truth has this peculiar habit to resurface. The Greek people have already paid back their loans several times over. Whatever money was poured into Greece was immediately taken out, and it is amazing that Germany attacks Greece in this vicious way. Germany owes Greece 70 billion reparations from World War II. Germany has bought and controls Greece's national telecommunications company OTE, and isn't the German Hochtief which reaps the profits of the Athens airport? Isn't Germany which will be profiting from Greek toll roads for the next 50 years? German companies such as Aldi, Lidl, Bayer, Mercedes and others make huge profits selling to Greeks (the poorest of the EU members) their products at three and five times as much as to the rest of European consumers. And as regards to Brussels why EU did not stop the fiasco of the Greek stock exchange and let it happen? Why EU does not stop Turkish threats and violations against Greece? Who benefits from this? Why the ones that accuse and threaten Greece, at the same time blackmail Greece to spend more and more by buying their military products which disfunction such as the lop-sided German submarines?
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 9:45:55 GMT -5
tora pou vrisketai oi ellada se odiniri thesi oi germania kanei ta panta na prosvali to kiros ton ellinon kai tis elladas stin evropaiki enosi me ola ta mesa pou diatheti signomi ftegi olos o ellinikos laos ?spiegel,focus efimerides gia na kanei kerdoskopia isvaros tis ellados mas piezoun kiolas na paroume tanks apo tin germania mono tote tha mas dosoun oikonomiki voithia to eidio kanei kai oi gallia me tis fregates gia tous germanous o skaramangas einai megali eykeria ,epesan oloi oi kolozionistes na mas fane an katalavetai ti thelo na po. den tous endiaferi oi ellada tin doulia tous kanoune emeis ti kanoume ? sto club ton zioniston eu. oles oi kyverniseis itan diaftharmenes apo to 1981 ali plironan eforia ali oxi skandala to ena meta to alo ktl..a.papandreou,mitsotakis,simitis,g.papandreou,karamanlis den doulepsan gia ta synferonta tou topo.veveos se afti tin odiniri stasi pou vriskomaste den ftene mono oi politiki mas ftene kai ta alla krati pou mas katastrepsan me tous polemous kai oute draxmi aposimioseis oute evro eidame mexri tora giati ? ta lefta mas ta ksodevame gia tous eksoplismous gia tin amyna tis patridas. Karta, se katalavaino file mou alla o ellinas einai aftos pou exei dosi patima stous ksenous na mas ekmetalevoun. Kai vevaios tha mas piesoun na agorasoume fregata kai armata. Perimenes na mas to dosoun ta lefta dorean ? Odiniri einai i katastasi tis ellados eksetias ta tourkoposria kai lamogia tis xoras mas. H ellada einai gia tous ligous..Aftoi pou krivounte piso to politiko asylo... Aftoi pou exoune plates kai lefta... Aftoi pou den exoune doulepsi mia mera apo to zoi tous...Aftoi einai ta mounopana pou exoune vali stin ellada gia mia fora akoma kseftila tis evropis. Tora isos einai efkeria gai allagi. Alla dystyxos o aplos ellinas tha to plirosi. Oxi aftoi pou tous aksisoun. Afto me stenoxori pio poli apo ola.
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 24, 2010 10:07:19 GMT -5
se allo eidisi...oi tourkoi syllavounte tous strategous tous. Makari na mporesoume kai emeis na syllavounte aftoi pou exoune dimourgisi toso tzimia stin ellada tosa xronia. Alla pou tetoia tyxh....
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Post by Kastorianos on Feb 24, 2010 11:12:27 GMT -5
But when we are talking about Greeks' extravagance this means mainly in German products that have better terms in Greece's economy because of EU... why do you think that Germany is in EU if it had only the obligation to give money to Greece, Spain, Portugal etc... From Christian humanitarians believes....? of course not...they take back the money from the bending sub marines they sell and the tens of Leopards that we buy from them... and the billions of euros that enters their country... And allow me to have my opinion for Germans... not those nice old people with the socks up to the knee and the sandals who flush Thailand and Magadascar for sex tourism.... but the real ones who had shown themselves two generations back, with an unnatural level of barbarism and animal instincts that the world cannot forget and must not. I can't believe that they've changed in 2 generations, and when the euros in their pockets will be less the more they will express their barbarian ego... Spare us the propaganda that your beloved Andreas Papandreou did feed you with the last decades.... Germany is in the EU exactly because it feels responsible for second WW. It feels the responsibility to keep peace in Europe. The German state and people do surely not benefit economically from the EU. This is a fact. Countries like Greece and Spain do benefit most of all from the EU. But...just because we were incapable of making right use of it and now its not only gone but we are bankrupt also, it doesnt mean that we have to play the magkes at that blaiming others for our misery. This is giving a pathetic image of Greece if many think like that. As for the leopards...none forces Greece to buy them. What an argumentation. It seems that you go crazy when its about Germans. You are losing all of your decency. You are losing it for nothing... Personally I also do not want to give any money to Greece...because I dont see the necessity to pay money for the mistakes of the Greek politicians and people. Everyone is responsible for himself and that was made clear with the treaty of the Eurozone. Pacta sunt servanda. Papandreou shall show to us how good he is....and that everything will be better with him...as he did promise before his election.
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Post by kartadolofonos on Feb 24, 2010 12:28:38 GMT -5
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