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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 9, 2010 7:56:07 GMT -5
Okay. How do you learn another language? You go for classes.But how do they begin it? What do you start with? When you begin the first class,you dont know a word.So? How is it like? Learning language,to me,looks impossible.I mean,its an enormous task!!! Also,how long does it take master a language? That you can go around speaking it normally?
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 9, 2010 16:23:32 GMT -5
You start to learn the vocabulary of "unit 1" or "lectio prima" at the end of the book. Thats how it starts.
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Post by chalkedon on Mar 9, 2010 16:31:30 GMT -5
i heard rosetta stone software is pretty effective in learning a foreign language
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 9, 2010 16:32:11 GMT -5
I think the first thing you want to understand is the basic things like
1) Reading the local alphabet and pronunciation
2) I am / You are(S) / He-She-It is -------- We are/You are(P)/They are/
3) Numbers
4) Past Tense / Present Tense / Future tense
5) Basic every day words and expressions (Hi/How are you/Are you ok/Nice weather/etc)
PS: This might be more useful for tourist then people who are really trying to learn a new language fully.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 9, 2010 16:34:17 GMT -5
Rosetta Stone does seem very good and they have their own unconventional yet far more effective method (same way like a baby that is learning to speak a first language) A completely immersive environment.
As a child, you learned to speak instinctively by experiencing the world around you. Our solution recreates this experience through a fully immersive environment right on your computer. No translation or memorization.
We’ve eliminated the traditional approach of using translation and grammar rules, empowering you to think in your new language. There are no flash cards, dictionaries or memorization drills. A carefully designed sequence of activities.
By surrounding you with words, images and the voices of native speakers, our method lets you progress naturally from words and phrases to sentences and conversations. www.rosettastone.com/personal/how-it-works/our-approach
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 9, 2010 16:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 9, 2010 16:47:52 GMT -5
Its software with spanish
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 10, 2010 6:03:16 GMT -5
You start to learn the vocabulary of "unit 1" or "lectio prima" at the end of the book. Thats how it starts. I dont know what is that........
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 10, 2010 6:11:55 GMT -5
Rosetta Stone does seem very good and they have their own unconventional yet far more effective method (same way like a baby that is learning to speak a first language) A completely immersive environment.
As a child, you learned to speak instinctively by experiencing the world around you. Our solution recreates this experience through a fully immersive environment right on your computer. No translation or memorization.
We’ve eliminated the traditional approach of using translation and grammar rules, empowering you to think in your new language. There are no flash cards, dictionaries or memorization drills. A carefully designed sequence of activities.
By surrounding you with words, images and the voices of native speakers, our method lets you progress naturally from words and phrases to sentences and conversations. www.rosettastone.com/personal/how-it-works/our-approachI have heard of rosetta stone,but not this language thing. Oh! The language I want to learn,is French ;D
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Post by todhrimencuri on Mar 10, 2010 21:28:13 GMT -5
french is easy. its basically misspelled english to an english speaker Once you have the grammar down, which is pretty simple, it shouldnt take you long to develop a basic speaking skill in it. German I found significantly more difficult since the grammar is far more complex than English grammar and the vocab isnt as easy to master since their vocab is pretty damn pure and their articles are so fucking irrelevant to the make up of the word yet you need to remember them anyway. In anycase, you will never learn another language without being able to immerse yourself into an environment where you are forced to speak it and any modern language is riddled with vocab that takes years and years to master.
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Post by MiG on Mar 10, 2010 23:21:08 GMT -5
Get friends (Family if available) that know the language you're trying to learn and speak it.
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 11, 2010 1:25:21 GMT -5
french is easy. its basically misspelled english to an english speaker Once you have the grammar down, which is pretty simple, it shouldnt take you long to develop a basic speaking skill in it. German I found significantly more difficult since the grammar is far more complex than English grammar and the vocab isnt as easy to master since their vocab is pretty damn pure and their articles are so f**king irrelevant to the make up of the word yet you need to remember them anyway. In anycase, you will never learn another language without being able to immerse yourself into an environment where you are forced to speak it and any modern language is riddled with vocab that takes years and years to master. misspelled english to an english speaker? Are you saying this because of the cognates in French to English? you're saying its easy because the pattern in sentences are pretty much the same and the like? You saying I will never learn the language until I'm in a French speaking area because it will make me think in French? And what do you mean when you say modern language is riddled with vocab that takes ages to master???
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Post by todhrimencuri on Mar 11, 2010 2:17:55 GMT -5
The modern world is an expansive one. A lot of things in it. Perhaps I said it wrong.
Yes, the cognates between French and English are huge. But I am perhaps also saying this because I can recognize French through my Latin learning. Eitherway, from passanger to baggage or souvenir, English is riddled with French words and Latin ones that have been inherited much the same in French.
Sentence patterns in more similar to Romance ones, which are often awkwardly translated in English. Eitherway best to go for a class and perhaps in the future make a trip to France.
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 11, 2010 10:16:55 GMT -5
"if you want to speak it correctly, it's more difficult (because the grammar is more difficult in French than in English). "
What exactly about it thats more difficult?
"which are often awkwardly translated in English"
Like how?
shetjani,Je had non idea tu speak Francaise et that tu live dans Belgium! ;D
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Post by Username on Mar 13, 2010 22:50:18 GMT -5
french is easy. its basically misspelled english to an english speaker Once you have the grammar down, which is pretty simple, it shouldnt take you long to develop a basic speaking skill in it. German I found significantly more difficult since the grammar is far more complex than English grammar and the vocab isnt as easy to master since their vocab is pretty damn pure and their articles are so f**king irrelevant to the make up of the word yet you need to remember them anyway. In anycase, you will never learn another language without being able to immerse yourself into an environment where you are forced to speak it and any modern language is riddled with vocab that takes years and years to master. That makes no sense... you do know that English and German are both Germanic languages, right? And that French fits under a whole other group (Romantic)? My native languages were English and French. I've since pretty much lost my French though, and I've learned some German and Spanish. English/German have way more cognates than do English/French.. the only messed up thing with German is the complex grammar - it kind of turned me off from pursuing German further... well that and how ugly of a language I realized it was. If you look at Old English and German, you'll be amazed at how similar the two languages were... since then, they've taken separate paths but still hold vocab similarities. hellboy, just like you learned English?
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Post by macmako on Mar 14, 2010 1:25:25 GMT -5
French is not an easy language, especially in pronunciation. One must combine unique shape of mouth and tongue, with lots of facial expressions to speak real French. Do not believe that it is easy for an English speaker.
To properly learn another language, one must be fully emerged in it. I learned Russian by being in Russia, soaked in its language and expressions. Mind you, vocabulary is extremely difficult, for even Russians, but I can get by and be considered a Russian because I speak what I know as a Russian.
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Post by macmako on Mar 14, 2010 1:33:07 GMT -5
"if you want to speak it correctly, it's more difficult (because the grammar is more difficult in French than in English). " What exactly about it thats more difficult? "which are often awkwardly translated in English" Like how? shetjani,Je had non idea tu speak Francaise et that tu live dans Belgium! ;D Your French totally bites. Properly it must be written as: "Shetjani, je n'avais aucune idée que vous parlez Français et que vous habitez en Belgique!
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 14, 2010 13:48:26 GMT -5
My native languages were English and French. I've since pretty much lost my French though, and I've learned some German and Spanish. English/German have way more cognates than do English/French.. the only messed up thing with German is the complex grammar - it kind of turned me off from pursuing German further... well that and how ugly of a language I realized it was. If you look at Old English and German, you'll be amazed at how similar the two languages were... since then, they've taken separate paths but still hold vocab similarities. hellboy, just like you learned English? Just like I learned English? Its my first language.So I learned just like everybody else with their first language.I can speak in Malay and its my second language though I rarely speak it.That one too,I think I learned the same way.Cuz I speak to my grandma in Malay and to the maid in Malay when I was young.
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 14, 2010 13:57:26 GMT -5
Your French totally bites. Properly it must be written as: "Shetjani, je n'avais aucune idée que vous parlez Français et que vous habitez en Belgique! I used the words that I know. ;D But I'm not sure about the French YOU:Is it Tu or Vous? I thought IN in French is dans? In a Brigitte Bardot interview,she said "Carl Jurgens et Brigitte Bardot dans Et Dieu Crea La Femme".Carl Jurgens and Brigitte Bardot IN And God Created Women(her movie).
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Post by hellboy87 on Mar 14, 2010 16:42:33 GMT -5
In French, orthography depends a lot on grammary. This is particullary difficult in some cases like the agrement of the past participle and things like that. In French there's also the agrement of the adjective with the noun etc etc ... with a lot of exceptions!! really a lot of exceptions ! ps: I like your exotic French. You certainly meant Je ne savais pas que vous parliez français et viviez en Belgique ;-) huh? What is orthography again? I keep forgetting.Is it to do with pronounciation? Je ne=I dont
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