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Post by shqiptars on Apr 18, 2010 23:05:16 GMT -5
Skyscrapers aren't a sign of economic success. They're more like cultural masturbation.
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Post by leshte on Apr 18, 2010 23:31:43 GMT -5
Is it economic success when there's mass protests of workers over unpayed wages all over the country. Serbia had a bunch of them lately. Or is it when pensions are not paid? Not only wages but there seems to be a pension problem as well. Are those the economic indicators of success and superiority you two dudes have in mind?
How about you get off your high horses and breathe some reality in. The notion of Serbia's superior exclusive excellence over the others is a notion only a nutjob can support. Especially since we're talking about the Balkans, and especially since there in no country on earth that has the monopoly of superior exclusive excellence over any other country. There is a difference between loving your country, between admiring its achievements and between been a complete and utter nutcase whose identity makes sense only with the existence of paranoia exhibited through some sort of a hallucinated enemy. This doesn't apply to Pyrros as obviously we have to find the reason of his slef-loathing, you know with him abandoning his Greek identity and embracing a foreign one; while sparing no chance to put down his Greek identity. Only a professional shrink can bring some light to his case. ;D Even I as an Albanian am not nearly close to him when it comes to putting Greece down in these forums. I sometimes wonder if you are a Turk claiming to be the other split-personalities you exhibit just so that you can put Greece down and get away with it. Even our most ardent anti-Greek member, Melty, hasn't put Greece down as much as you have. No offence Melty, but this Pyrros guy has the edge over you on Greece bashing
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 19, 2010 0:13:42 GMT -5
Leshte, When the couch of one football team studies the video tapes of his team's next opponent (in order to study their philosophy), does that mean that he has actually already signed a contract with this other team?
Should a team fire its couch for doing so? Should a team fire its couch for acknowledging the standings in the championship? A lot of people seem to have serious conceptual flaws in their tiny heads, when it comes to discussing rather advanced issues like that.
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Post by leshte on Apr 19, 2010 0:17:40 GMT -5
I have yet to read one good word coming from you in regards to Greece whenever you mention Serbia. I mean we all find issues with our countries that we don't like; but its like every post when you mention Serbia and Greece; Greece is always the negative example. Anyway I don't give two $hits about it. Just pointing it out for the audience of these forums in case they've missed it.
Also chill. You got kids; anger is bad for the health of your heart. You wanna take care of your kids. Anger causes heart attacks.
See your post seems more mature and calm now that you removed the curses and all. Its not worth it getting angry over a forum post. Almost everything else in life is much more important than a forum post. Its stupid getting angry over them.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 19, 2010 0:28:10 GMT -5
^^^ Because i cannot stand Greece being so low..... We must improve, and there is no time to lose. Its not you or insomniac (or srboran, etc...) who would bring their car to the car workshop and have a real hard time setting up some basic communication channels with the mechanics there.... only to deal with the most unorganized anarchical and unpleasant situations.... Its me who will have to do that... you know... I see now, a lot of people here are starting to compare Romania with Greece, or Letonia with Greece.
i say, this is still BS.
Greeks have to go to Serbia.... see and learn certain things....
Now, are there things that in Greece are superior to Serbia? Maybe yes... but standing there they will not make Greece any better...
I have a strict engineer mentality, (which most of albos-greeks do not have). I want to see things improving, by design and substance, smth with the potential to stand for a long long time... not just short-term fireworks (like Albania or the recent EU story in Greece)...
Why Greece was so rich after 1991? Why all these EU funds came to Greece? Hmm... at the same time Yugoslavia was dissolved and the NWO just decided to make this old friend (greece) the new center of the balkans.
Thats why they just gave the money, endorsing bireaucracy, corruption, pointless spending, high loans, without taking any measures to actually improve the quality of the people (culture). Now after 350B, the greeks started to talk about ...... actual development... Fresh easy free money blinded us... We went like crazy racing in our streets with our new huge 4x4, and stopped giving a f**k about giving anything back.....
I not skeptic in the slightest, that things in albania would be even worse than that.... The west can break your society much easier than they broke ours.
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Post by leshte on Apr 19, 2010 0:47:51 GMT -5
Nice with the generalization, I am an engineer by the way. You know those soda's you drink, the food such as chicken or meats, the LCD tv you watch, that plane you hop on, industrial products you use; chances are, I may have been involved in producing components of it if any of those were imported from the USA. Our products are used by just about every industry out there. You see there are Albanians out there payed to use their engineering skills on a daily basis, you know to think as an engineer. Open your mind a bit more. Sure we all are biased up to some point; but too much of it and your view of the world gets skewed.
Also there are some good Greek engineers I have come across. Its not the lack of existence of Greek or for that matter Albanian engineers but the system that's the problem. For example I have heard on two occasions from Greek engineers that in order for them to get ahead in Greece they would have to know someone important; meanwhile here in the states they are content they can achieve their full potential.
Also I have problem with always blaming outsiders, such as the west. The blame should be within for most of the times, if prgress is to be achieved. 99% of the times there is a choice. That choice is made by us, by our own people and not by westerners. Its our bad choices that lead to troubles most of the time.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 19, 2010 1:05:20 GMT -5
Pyrros, i dont know but Albanians are quite content. Even those from Kosovo are getting to move freely and discover one another. Things are moving quite nice. I don't think the West is the problem here. I mean for 50 years Greece was subsidized by EU. Today it is in 350 billion dollars of debt and nothing to show for it. How do you explain that?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 19, 2010 2:12:27 GMT -5
^^^ Because West designed it this way, from the very beginning.
Now, as far as your countrymen are concerned, i cannot see how they would be content, if the unemployment rates are reaching new sky rocket values... But i dont wanna talk just like yet another wooden technocrat. The point is that, i have NEVER EVER EVER seen in the eye of ANY albanian some signs of love about who they are, about what they do, or where they live. 100% of albos here, are feeling miserable and bitter about their host (greece), and they never ever shown any signs of will to use plain logic (regarding communication with their clients), or of plain interest to get better (about their job/methods/procedures), or just to know that their clients are happy... (80% of greeks are like that, as well...)
on the other hand, here in greece, you see bosnians (serbs), KiM serbs, serbs who have lost everything back home, and still write poems, and sing and smile and work and get updated on their work and love life.... (and LOVE their host Greece, despite the myriads humiliations they have been through for being .... bad eastern european type of thing...)
its far fucking deeper than a plain stupid mart-mall type of thing you know... man.... far far deeper.....
to be frank, i think the yugoslavs have stronger souls than us...
BUT, IF Serbs/BiH are in this shitty state for a long period of time... 100, 200 years... MAYBE they will turn out to be soulless zombies like the rest of us....
Its hard to reach that state, but its also hard to get out of it once you are in...
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Post by aayy on Apr 30, 2010 14:15:38 GMT -5
Then why so much noise concerning Kosovo virtual independance? Does it make sense?
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Post by aayy on Apr 30, 2010 14:32:05 GMT -5
and that's coming from you? ??
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Post by aayy on Apr 30, 2010 14:35:42 GMT -5
Because now they don't have to pay to subsidize Kosovo.
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Post by shqiptars on Apr 30, 2010 22:48:14 GMT -5
If you measure how advance a country is by how efficient it's bureaucracy is (which is the case most of the time) then Croatia and Slovenia are very primitive. Nepotism is rife in both countries and the government's so tainted by corruption that most of the revenue they make goes down the tube. Also, they're in massive debt for no reason at all. I'm not saying that there's a connection between their inability to deal with corruption and their massive debt but there very well could be. After all, any country which hasn't a fiscal reserve isn't actually prosperous, rather living on borrowed time. They also treat "veterans" with the outmost economic respect regardless of whether they actually fought in the war or not. You can see how screwed up a society is by how much it's members rely on the government for anything.
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