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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 23, 2010 9:36:13 GMT -5
In addition in England the men fart and burp, drink and vomit all over the streets. They fight and shout and scream. So much better than looking at beautiful women I mean English men, will just come and grab a womens arse, and thats much more cultured isn't it. Anyhow.... I'm glad you don't like most Turks and that an ignorant little boy can stay in his own highly cultured, rich, non religious country?.. By the way which country is that?
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Post by Kastorianos on Apr 23, 2010 10:16:39 GMT -5
I cant help it but I want the countries Fyrom and Turkey to disappear from the globe...the sooner the better.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 23, 2010 10:19:08 GMT -5
and what u want matters because ......... ?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 23, 2010 11:56:13 GMT -5
Dont you know? Venting is the setup for later reconciliation.
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Post by Novi Pazar on Apr 23, 2010 21:26:48 GMT -5
"Novi is clearly one of the least intelligent people in this forum... why do you persist on reading his nonsense?"
Sorry to say, but your one of the most disabled minds of the forum, l have never taken you or donnie seriously.
Germans and italians during WW2 bring more of you into kosovo, tito keeps those illegals there without expelling them + he brings more Albanians into kosovo until 1948, approximately 300,000 new Albanians during and after WW2 came and settled kosovo....why?, because tito forms a bond with the Albanian communists, then when Yugoslavia broke with Stalin and the Cominform in 1948, your hero Hoxha's Albania became a dangerous center of propaganda and subversive activities against regime in Yugoslavia, ultimately aimed at annexing Kosovo, Metohia and parts of Macedonia to Albania, where your "Albanianism", embodied in the idea of creating a Greater Ethnic Albania, entered the foundation of state ideology.
Just to remind you tito and his new commie authority, disallowed the return of expelled serbs and montenegrins to the region because they were considered by the communists to be exponents of the interwar greater serbian hegemonistic policy!!.
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Post by insomniac on Apr 23, 2010 21:30:19 GMT -5
it's a good thing tito in a way balanced things out. look at what you serbs have done since the 1990s. he didnt do enough in my opinion should've removed nationalist serbs from politics and made zagreb as capital city. serbs went beserk and have stank the place everywhere in the news media balkan is synonymous with war and genocide.
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Post by ivo on Apr 23, 2010 23:59:01 GMT -5
Pazar, you've got no authority when it comes to judging anyone. You, honestly, seem to be a very limitted individual. I'm not saying this to insult you, but you are just not all that bright. You are so ignorant in fact; that, as I've told you before, your posts lead me to think that you suffer from consistent mental delusions.
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Post by donnie on Apr 24, 2010 6:01:42 GMT -5
"Novi is clearly one of the least intelligent people in this forum... why do you persist on reading his nonsense?" Sorry to say, but your one of the most disabled minds of the forum, l have never taken you or donnie seriously. Germans and italians during WW2 bring more of you into kosovo, tito keeps those illegals there without expelling them + he brings more Albanians into kosovo until 1948, approximately 300,000 new Albanians during and after WW2 came and settled kosovo....why?, because tito forms a bond with the Albanian communists, then when Yugoslavia broke with Stalin and the Cominform in 1948, your hero Hoxha's Albania became a dangerous center of propaganda and subversive activities against regime in Yugoslavia, ultimately aimed at annexing Kosovo, Metohia and parts of Macedonia to Albania, where your "Albanianism", embodied in the idea of creating a Greater Ethnic Albania, entered the foundation of state ideology. Just to remind you tito and his new commie authority, disallowed the return of expelled serbs and montenegrins to the region because they were considered by the communists to be exponents of the interwar greater serbian hegemonistic policy!!. Proof?
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Post by hellboy87 on Apr 24, 2010 11:01:21 GMT -5
I was in Istanbul and Ankara, in Kadikoy ... but we didn't see the same things (if you went there of course ...). My family comes from a village of Kosovo, we are muslim ... but still, you won't see any 50 women dressed like the young women I saw in Turkey's villages. Even my grandmother is not dressed like they were ! Really, I was ashamed for them. And we're not even talking here about Eastern Turkey !!!!!!!!! You also have to understand that Turkey is very much a Middle Eastern country as well.So expect those things. Also,do you know that there are millions of people in Turkey with Albanian blood? And what is it were you saying about the way Turkish men look at European women? Pray for your beautiful Albanian kinsmen in Turkey,shetjani.
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Post by donnie on Apr 24, 2010 13:12:27 GMT -5
NO but read my message, I proved Nivi Pidh was, as usual, talking BS Haha, I know, just kidding with him. Of course he doesnt have proof. They accuse us of their own doings and believe that enough repetition of false claims will make those claims true, or accepted as true. Take this for instance. They always claim we flooded Kosova after WWII but they never give proof, nada, nothing, zilch. Not even selected quotations as in the case of them trying to prove the "Sebrian" character and origins of the Macedonians. Because there is NOTHING! Same goes for the other claims mentioned earlier.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 24, 2010 14:15:48 GMT -5
I was in Istanbul last weekend actually. In fact I have been living in Turkey for nearly 4 years. I visit Istanbul regularly, also Eskisehir, and live in Ankara. I know the whole of the Aegean, and Med coast. Along with many other places... Which part of kadikoy were you in out of interest I am wondering where these men that stare at women like animals were residing? In Ankara where did you go to ? I find it comical for you to make these comments about Ankara, you can only come across such people in Ulus, Samanpazari, Cincin, and back streets of Kizilay and Maltepe. Nobody would ever go to those places uness you absoutely have to!! Its full of immigrants from the SE. Is there a reason you ony went to the realy cheap parts? Have you been to Tunali? Arjantin? Umitkoy? Balgat etc? Or in istanbul.. Bebek, Atasehir, Moda(Kadikoy) Nisantasi, Tuzla, Yenikoy, Yesilyurt, Camlica? these are all huge areas of istanbul lol Have you ever visited a Village of istanbul? I have and the women were definatly not as you describe. On another note, I wasn't aware Kosovans had such great dress sense, I mean they may not wear traditional clothes, but I prefer the traditional clothes to what the kosovans in London wear. Again, I still don't get why these people are trash and fanatics? what are they fanatical about? which part of there clothes are trash? To be honest it seems you travelled to the cheapest places, You would come across similar situations in London in Hackney, Tottenham, Peckham, Stratford etc....
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Apr 24, 2010 14:29:08 GMT -5
Pokemon & Shejtani. The words "proof" and "albanian" cannot coexist in the same line/paragraph/book/library/world. On the other hand the words "engineering" and "serb" go hand in hand throughout history.
comparing the f**king mudjahedins with the most western country in the balkans is pure blasphemy and a proof that certain peoples are doomed to stay low forever....
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 24, 2010 14:42:05 GMT -5
I see. Well maybe one day Turkey can be as advanced and cultured as the super modern advanced Kosovans hey As I can see, you can't say where u visited name places or anything, In fact I doubt you are even old enough to make a reasonabe judgment about a country such as Turkey. Caling people fanatics for wearing a headscarf? I see now why Serbs say the things they do about Kosova albanians....
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 24, 2010 15:04:41 GMT -5
Turks aren't European, why should they belong in Europe? I posted pictures of Turks - People who feel Turkish I think you have a disgusting mentality. Judging ALL the people of Turkey, overgeneralising, intolerant, in fact it seems you are more fanatical than those traditional villagers you speak so badly of. Open mindedness is just that, it isn't prostituting yourself to men, or showing your tits and arse to guys. I haven't worn a headscarf in my life, neither has any single person in my family. We are Turks, and If I wish to wear a headscarf I dont think that would make me trash or fanatic. Also I mean being an Albanian kosovan and calling people trash or fanatics? Isn't it ironic... nevermind
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 24, 2010 15:06:27 GMT -5
I can attest for the way Turkish men act. Here in my school they act much the same way. Many of them even grab at women to come dance with them and become persistent, thinking that all the blond girls are sluts or something. Even many Turkish guys, my current best friend here is Turkish, and he agrees that they act very wild and uncultured. Which is why my school, which has about 600 Turks, is very much turned off by the men. The girls are nice, but they are typical mixture of eastern heritage and western secularism. They are prude and almost afraid of sexuality.
But I also notice how Turkish guys stare at the girls here. I see it a lot among very low class Albanians and among Greek men as well. Nothing atypical.
I agree about the headscarf though. I generally see any women who wears one as being backwards and ignorant. I cant see it anyother way.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 24, 2010 15:14:22 GMT -5
I see. Albanian men making judgement on Turkish men. This whole conversation is tiring. what is acting wild and uncultured, what is acting cultured? I dont get it? men staring at girls is now seen as wild and uncultured? There are British and American men who are just the same. Prudes? what makes a girl a prude? because she doesn't jump into bed with random guys? I guess Turkish girls want more from a man than a smile and a drink, compared to other girls. What is a women ignorant about if she wear a headscarf? I mean I don't wear one but I wonder exactly where ignorance comes in? Isn't it ignorant to judge people on how they dress?
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 24, 2010 15:24:13 GMT -5
I just perceive it as such. Most of my Turkish friends do as well... even though most are for liberalizing it. Its now how you dress, i perceive any person who is religious to be ignorant. A person who goes to that level of faith, I almost would call them untermensch. They clearly are a symbol of backwardsness that is hurting Turkey, Albania and all other Islamic influenced countries. They are, for me, the biggest trash in the world. When I see them in Tirana, I want to spit on them for bringing my country so low. These people, in my opinion, are worse than the other idiots (largely Turkish or at times Albanian girls) who believe that they can compromise free life and religion... as if one can somehow mix both. They are a danger to society and a symbol of the inherent problems that exist. They are Lebensunwertes Leben
Did I say Albanian men were any better? By simple virtue of numbers, I would expect more sophisticated Turks than Albs, purely by numbers. However, here in my school... where we have as many as 2000, 600+ being men. They come from well off families, and show it in their clothing (spiffy guidoed out abercrombie etc.). However, when they come to America they see the grinding culture and they presume all the girls are s**ts who will go to bed with them easy or that they can manipulate.
To stare a girl down to the point where she becomes uncomfortable is just creepy. However, I see it here all the time. Many Albs do it, and I yell at them for it. Turks here, however, i would expect better from since they come from private schools and universities, but they bring the same kind of culture that I would expect from a anadolak from the smallest of villages. Its one thing to stare, its another thing to keep your eyes down on the girl to the point where she feels threatened. It happens at the gym here, at the clubs, in class.
Nobody cares if they dont want to have sex. However, they judge other girls who do. I have hung around plenty this and last year, I even dated one for a bit last semester... Its the fact they they constantly judge others around them. They judge the men, they judge the women. And among themselves they are, as we say in Albanian, striga/witches. They gossip on a level that is unbelievable and judge accordingly as well. I see this in random Albanian villages all the time, and its something I have very little respect for. Unfortunately even the wealthy Istanbulite girls who spend all that cash to educate here are just as bad. Its to the point where finding one who is free and open-minded is a endless struggle.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Apr 24, 2010 15:33:47 GMT -5
I just perceive it as such. Most of my Turkish friends do as well... even though most are for liberalizing it. Its now how you dress, i perceive any person who is religious to be ignorant. A person who goes to that level of faith, I almost would call them untermensch. They clearly are a symbol of backwardsness that is hurting Turkey, Albania and all other Islamic influenced countries. They are, for me, the biggest trash in the world. When I see them in Tirana, I want to spit on them for bringing my country so low. Did I say Albanian men were any better? By simple virtue of numbers, I would expect more sophisticated Turks than Albs, purely by numbers. However, here in my school... where we have as many as 2000, 600+ being men. They come from well off families, and show it in their clothing (spiffy guidoed out abercrombie etc.). However, when they come to America they see the grinding culture and they presume all the girls are s**ts who will go to bed with them easy or that they can manipulate. To stare a girl down to the point where she becomes uncomfortable is just creepy. However, I see it here all the time. Many Albs do it, and I yell at them for it. Turks here, however, i would expect better from since they come from private schools and universities, but they bring the same kind of culture that I would expect from a anadolak from the smallest of villages. Its one thing to stare, its another thing to keep your eyes down on the girl to the point where she feels threatened. It happens at the gym here, at the clubs, in class. Nobody cares if they dont want to have sex. However, they judge other girls who do. I have hung around plenty this and last year, I even dated one for a bit last semester... Its the fact they they constantly judge others around them. They judge the men, they judge the women. And among themselves they are, as we say in Albanian, striga/witches. They gossip on a level that is unbelievable and judge accordingly as well. I see this in random Albanian villages all the time, and its something I have very little respect for. Unfortunately even the wealthy Istanbulite girls who spend all that cash to educate here are just as bad. Its to the point where finding one who is free and open-minded is a endless struggle. Ok if most of your Turkish friends think so too, and you do too, then i cannot comment about how the men there behave. I can only tell you about what I know. I agree Turkish men do stare, but not as much as Italian men. Yet more than Brits, although each nation has their starers. Also these men if they are coming to uni in the USA have grown up in Turkey. In Turkey most girls don't dress as openly as in Europe and the US, unless its a beach resort, this has always baffled me. So these guys are seeing tits n arse openly for the first time in their lives. They stare... Yet the ones born and that grew up abroad do not behave so. Also many American and Eueopean girls give it uptoo easy to Turkish men, Turkish girls aren't so easy to bed, so they become 'sluts' in their eyes. About Turkish girls judgements I cannot disagree, this is why i don't have too many female friends, but this isn't just true for Turkish girls, 90% of girls I know are the same. Turkish girls are just more obvious about it. They like to blabber on about it. Others just say it to their close circle of friends. It isn't exclusive to Turks. I find it hard to beleive that Istanbullians are such a way, since i know soo many, in fact I have stopped talking to them for behaving too sluttish. I am very open minded so you can see the extreme i am presenting. Regardless I think you have valid reasons for your judgemnt. i appreciate the explanation. Perhaps others should take note of how to converse.
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Post by todhrimencuri on Apr 24, 2010 15:48:37 GMT -5
I choose my friends carefully and most of them ascribe to my ideas. I dont think they are as radical about it as I am, however I come from an atheist enforced society. When I first started to see girls like that in Albania, and when my mother did, we reacted very negatively as did many others. For many Turks its more common so they are more open to it. I for my part can never befriend a religious person simply because 99% of the time I end up saying soemthing that offends them, whether its making fun of the quran or just using their god's name for simple things. Those who am I close to are also atheistic and tend to be very different from the Turks around them, to the point where they have almost been kicked off the groups.
One thing that shocked many of the Turks I know here, who came from Bilkent or Bogazici, is how free people think about things. When they made fun of the way someone dressed or talked, most Americans just nodded off and said "thats their own style I guess". I think Turkish girls, and often Albanian girls as well, do it ad absurdum. It gets into a 10-15 attack on the character of the person. I never see that so heavy among American girls, Im sure that happens as well... maybe Jewish American girls.
I agree, I cannot attack Turks simply because as I see it, whatever problems I note among average Turks I note among many other groups from the Balkans as well. From chatty women to overly aggressive men. Its a universal problem... but Turks are higher in number than all Balkan people so they are the most noticable. I have run into such situations plenty of times among Albs as well....
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Post by donnie on Apr 24, 2010 16:03:26 GMT -5
Pokemon & Shejtani. The words "proof" and "albanian" cannot coexist in the same line/paragraph/book/library/world. On the other hand the words "engineering" and "serb" go hand in hand throughout history. comparing the f**king mudjahedins with the most western country in the balkans is pure blasphemy and a proof that certain peoples are doomed to stay low forever.... Skip the nonsense and just answer my question; is there any proof to what Novi claimed?
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