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Post by leshte on May 26, 2010 16:33:59 GMT -5
Sure we do. They're not Greeks. ;D
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Post by zoti on May 26, 2010 16:53:36 GMT -5
the greatest Gypsy singer in Greece ever. What's the purpose of the video? Do you have better gypsies? He's not singing in Gypsy, he's singing in Greek. In Albania, Gypsy and Greek are synonymous. Are they not in Greece?
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Post by Patrinos on May 26, 2010 17:23:07 GMT -5
the greatest Gypsy singer in Greece ever. What's the purpose of the video? Do you have better gypsies? He's not singing in Gypsy, he's singing in Greek. In Albania, Gypsy and Greek are synonymous. Are they not in Greece? in Greece the term "gyftalvanos" is the worst insult. Even if i think that albos immigrants have achieved to make the "alvanos" even worst insult from the "gyftos"...
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Post by logjiktek on May 26, 2010 17:38:36 GMT -5
Ironic how this thread was created in the Serbian forum. Personally if I was a Serb I would slit my wrist for the good of humanity ..........but in all seriousness, if I was a Serb I wouldn't care much for the "Europeans." The same "Europeans" that bombed the shit out of Serbia for almost 3 months. In fact, if I was a Serb I wouldn't want to associate myself with this group. But that's just me. PS: Greek=Gypsy. Any person of "darker" features in Albanian is referred to as a Greek and/or Gypsy.
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Post by terroreign on May 26, 2010 18:42:48 GMT -5
It was technically the Americans that bombed them. Thus this thread makes perfect sense...and you must live in an isolated hellhole if you really believe Greeks are gypsies...they're synonymous with culture, the mediterranean and good food
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Post by srbobran on May 26, 2010 22:21:03 GMT -5
Exactly. Well put.
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Post by shqiptars on May 27, 2010 0:26:11 GMT -5
I am not criminal at all I am very law-obidient indeed Unlike Shqiptars, am I right? Shqiptars commit a crime against Humanity by being born.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 27, 2010 2:22:47 GMT -5
Are the Albanians European?
Well,territorially,yes they are.Racially,yes as well.
Mentality and culture? Ermmm....from what I've read yes and no.I would say their Europeanness is more typical of the Eastern European European.
Their non-Europeanness? I guess its their clan blood feuds and social conservatism.
But there's definitely that common Pan-European Europeanness in them.Just not that much I guess.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 2:40:33 GMT -5
^ Well said Hellboy.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 2:45:31 GMT -5
"again Novi you are mixing religion with race and they both have nothing to do with each other.
You only consider Christians as European even though there are Black Christians, Asian Christians, Arab Christians etc. which are not European at all."
Thracian, i'm not mixing anything up. The majority of europeans are christians, european culture evolved through christianity, not islam. Black christians, Arab christians, Asian christians will be closer to europeans than, Black muslims, Asian muslims, Arab muslims etc....
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 2:53:51 GMT -5
"Lol, Novi Pazar, a gypsy skinned jackass from one of the most backward areas in Serbia with a high historical concentration of Albanians, who admitted that some of his ancestors spoke fluent Albanian... is telling us what is European and what is not. If I convert my s**t into Christianity, it basically will look like him."
Yeah so, so what if some women in my mums family married albanians, l'm not albanian, my mum is not albanian and my dad is not albanian....for your information l'm 100% serbian. My grandfather knew Albanian because he lived in a village practically as the only serbian family in his young life in southern kosovo, what was he supposed to do, not speak albanian and get beaten to death?.
Toski, islam is not european.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 27, 2010 2:55:48 GMT -5
You could say European culture evolved through Christianity,but then again,as Toski pointed out,not for all Europeans particularly southeast Europeans.
Anyway,this whole "European" thing is very much defined as the result of the combination of events,beliefs and values that took place in Western Europe,which spread through the rest of Europe,but very little in the southeast due to the Ottomans and then held back again because of Communism.
It's that "European" thing which is what Europe uses to define itself as European and of all Europe,the Western part of it is the closest to it.
So I guess you can say Christianity is part of it.But remember,Europe is now secular and her people are very irreligious.But then again Christianity is the binding heritage.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 2:58:15 GMT -5
"Albanian muslims and christians are the same culturally. I know literally tons of muslim albanians and u make it sound like we're totally different ppl. Yeh, maybe on Friday one goes to a mosque and on sunday ill go to church but in the end we're the same ppl...same customs, same language, same expressions, same music and dress, same everything.
And ur forgetting that alot of albs are atheist, maybe 50-60% or more in Albania. So its disputable that muslims constitute a majority. But even if we were 100% muslim that wouldnt change a thing b/c we dont act like friggin Saudi Arabians, we are our own ppl and have our own ways. The albanian way !"
Don't give me this rubbish, Russians were atheist longer than Albanians, after the collapse of communism they are returning to their christian roots....some is happening to Albania, many Albanians are returning to their islamic religion and ALSO there has been an upward increase of blood feuds between rivalling families after the collapse of communism.
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 3:05:31 GMT -5
"Ironic how this thread was created in the Serbian forum. Personally if I was a Serb I would slit my wrist for the good of humanity ..........but in all seriousness, if I was a Serb I wouldn't care much for the "Europeans." The same "Europeans" that bombed the s**t out of Serbia for almost 3 months. In fact, if I was a Serb I wouldn't want to associate myself with this group." Yes, but the people who bombed the crap out of serbia arn't faithful, they are faithless and only believe in material wealth like, money, oil, gold etc.....they have no spirtuality or morals. When l was studying engineering awhile ago, l fellow muslim student came up to me and said, "why are christian women S*UTS?", l told him that real christian women don't go to night clubs and have sex before marriage, ones who do these things arn't christian women.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 27, 2010 3:08:02 GMT -5
Are the Albanians European? Well,territorially,yes they are.Racially,yes as well. Mentality and culture? Ermmm....from what I've read yes and no.I would say their Europeanness is more typical of the Eastern European European. Their non-Europeanness? I guess its their clan blood feuds and social conservatism. But there's definitely that common Pan-European Europeanness in them.Just not that much I guess. Hellboy, as information Clan Blood feuds was common among South-West Europeans like Italians, Frenchs, Basques (read: all those 3 nations are oldest european like Albanians), even Dalmatians (Croats), also Montengrins ect......you must read more european history before claming such theory.
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 27, 2010 3:10:28 GMT -5
Toski, islam is not european. Also orthodox is not European, only catholic is
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Post by Novi Pazar on May 27, 2010 3:14:23 GMT -5
"So I guess you can say Christianity is part of it.But remember,Europe is now secular and her people are very irreligious.But then again Christianity is the binding heritage."
Absolutely, you see HB, Serbia fell early, why, because Serbs became somewhat atheist during yugoslav communism, we became immoral and we lost during this period a sense of self, hence why serbs here don't know much about themselves. God has come down on the serbs, but when we serbs find god again then it will turn around. HB, we are starting to witness the same occuring to entire europe, the people have lost their faith and religion and because of it they are beginning to experience problems.
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Post by hellboy87 on May 27, 2010 3:16:48 GMT -5
^I have never heard about other Europeans having clan blood feuds except the Albanians.
I've heard about Middle Easterners,Indian subcontinentals and Somalians having clan blood feuds.
But then again,I think this is probably something that is a left over from a very distant past.
The first "tribe" a human being has,is his or her family(clan).And families look after each other and so on.So I'm not suprised about clan feuds emerging especially since in life we have to compete for many things.
Thinking about clan feuds,this is something that seems kind of natural in the distant past for the human race all over the world.But like I've said,never heard about other Europeans having this except the Albanians.
Actually,I think this "European" thing should be phrased as the "Western European thing".After all,that's where it emerged and was embedded culturally to the biggest degree before anywhere else.
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Post by king on May 27, 2010 3:24:53 GMT -5
A friend of mine said albanians are half-arabs half-slavs, they are a little bit lighter than arabs but a little bit darker than slavs=half-arabs/half-slavs
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Post by hellboy87 on May 27, 2010 3:47:01 GMT -5
^How are Albanians half-Arabs and half-Slavs?
I think like many ethnic groups,the Albanians have layers of ethnic ancestries.But they are indigenous.
Compared to people of the world,Albanians are in the light skin category.They are pale.Although some of them have that tint of colour in them which gives their skin that yellowish colour to it,they are still pale.But they can tan easier compared to other Europeans.
Again,this is found among a large number of southern Europeans.
As for Arabs,they too have a bit of variety in skin colours.Most of them are yellow.While many in Iraq,the Levant and North Africa have that southern European paleness with a tint of colour in it.
I think those with the brownish skin is the result of sun tan or maybe a brown skinned ancestor or both.
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