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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 14, 2008 13:37:03 GMT -5
Give it up Kanaris. The plis or qeleshe is a hat worn by both Christian and Muslim Albanians. If it was a Muslim import, then why did the Catholics wear it too? And the Orthodox? Or even the Arbëresh in Sicily and Calabria who in their flight to Italy didn't have the time to adopt Muslim customs. Besides, the Turks themselves didn't wear these types of hats ... they wore the fez. and greeks adobtet this fez from muslims (Turks, Arabs) Those are Muslim caps..don't confuse the 2, for the benefit if satisfying your longing for your origins..... that is up for debate.... you got a long way to go baby.... muslims? your confuzed about your cap that adobtet from turks while albanian cap is 100% native. PATROCLES and ACHILES Illyrians:
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Post by Toskaliku on May 14, 2008 14:19:34 GMT -5
The Fez itself was Byzantine. Albanian version is a different version of it.
These headwears are very common among pastoral groups.
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Post by Kanaris on May 14, 2008 14:56:33 GMT -5
What Patroklos is wearing is completely different from what the supposedly 'Illyrian" is wearing...night and day... Greeks and Romans used to wear those caps under their metal helmets as a cushion.... Leave to some of you to connect what Albanian highlanders wore to the ancients...
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Post by atlantis on May 14, 2008 15:06:20 GMT -5
Albania highland, is mother of greek &latin civilization
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 15, 2008 1:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by PrijesDardanian on May 15, 2008 1:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by filomen on May 15, 2008 2:18:59 GMT -5
canaris, etnology isnt your best knolegies
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Post by Gigolo on Jun 29, 2010 16:41:51 GMT -5
While there is obvious simmilarities in those images, it's a bit of a stretch to just claim every piece of headgear that resembles the Albanian cap. I mean, there's only so many ways a skull cap can look, and they're common in many countries. How many cultures have turbans as well? Tons. Though I wouldn't be suprised either, if the connection is proven. It's very possible. The "subara" hats made of wool, are from ancient times. Famously worn by chetnik murderers in WWII.
One obvious difference though, is that the cap on the sculpture is pointy at the top.
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Post by Gigolo on Jun 29, 2010 16:44:57 GMT -5
The Fez itself was Byzantine. Albanian version is a different version of it. These headwears are very common among pastoral groups. Sometimes it's confusing when you see old Albanian postcards and the men are all wearing fez, but it's white. It's white but it has the exact shape of a fez, and is not this skullcap. Like here. White fez. Not rounded on top like the skullcap.
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Post by jonleka on Jun 30, 2010 0:55:57 GMT -5
Traditionally northern Albanians never wore fez unless they were ottoman officials for southern Albania I am not sure.
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Post by zoti on Jun 30, 2010 9:52:22 GMT -5
Sometimes it's confusing when you see old Albanian postcards and the men are all wearing fez, but it's white. It's white but it has the exact shape of a fez, and is not this skullcap. Like here. White fez. Not rounded on top like the skullcap. It's easy to get confused. Most people assume that all Albanians share the same values/traditions but there are differences especially between the Northern Catholics, Central Sunnis and Bektashi Southerners. The pic you posted is from Central Albania where the influence of Islam is most pronounced in all of Albania. Their skull cap resembles the Turkish fez. In Southern Albania, specifically Laberi, the skull cap resembles that of the North but is pointier with an antenna like thingy at the very top. I think the picture below best illustrates the diferent skull caps worn in Albania.
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Post by Gigolo on Jun 30, 2010 11:58:59 GMT -5
I knew there was big differences between North and South, Gheg and Tosk. But didn't know the details about Central Albania, thanks.
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