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Post by dezboy on Oct 23, 2009 14:43:14 GMT -5
you say "blah blah blah" and butcher the english language and you have the nerve to call anyone slow. go buy yourself a pocket dictionary son, you need it. Now go mind your own business and go do whatever it is you do, clean toilets or check hats, whatever your 3rd grade education allows you to do.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 23, 2009 15:24:31 GMT -5
So , you didn't tell me, where this bitterness is coming from, my little Sumerian ?
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Post by dezboy on Oct 24, 2009 9:17:13 GMT -5
no one here said we're sumerian, Traian. Now go mind your business.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 24, 2009 11:24:06 GMT -5
Did you know that every time you post something , you make a Sumerian king cry ? Respect Sumer, stop posting...
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Post by dezboy on Oct 24, 2009 13:06:13 GMT -5
now that makes alot of sense. Did you know there are no spaces between punctuation marks? Respect grammar and stop posting and stop butchering the english language
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Post by dezboy on Oct 24, 2009 14:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 25, 2009 8:28:59 GMT -5
Oh yeah , the site that makes the Hungarian-Jewish-Gypsy connection. Ha ha ha, I`m sure wbb will love it. Enjoy reading
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Post by dezboy on Oct 25, 2009 15:32:55 GMT -5
The site was for my Hungarian friends, not romanian instigators who are unable read past the first paragraph. Too bad, you might have learned something.
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 26, 2009 4:25:03 GMT -5
who are unable read past the first paragraph. Too bad, you might have learned something. Typical kiddie reaction. Did not the author links Hungarians Hebrew and the tribes of Gypsy, mostly Roma but not only (sic) in your site ? Address that point, not silly off-topic rantings. If you want to talk only with your Hungarian friends stop being a cheapass invite your friends at a bar , buy them a beer and talk all you want about sumerian, jews and gypsy. This is an open public forum, Eistein.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 26, 2009 5:32:20 GMT -5
Now I understand why you're unable to read past the first paragraph and rely only on provocations
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Post by wbb on Oct 26, 2009 5:54:53 GMT -5
this article is bs, first of all, Hebrew is not Jewish but rather Jews and Arabs are Hebrew. Abraham/Ibrahim wasnt Jew at all but Muslim and he born in a land called Ur/Ar the place where Arabs originated from and that's where they get their name from. Jew got their name after Judah. Secondly even if Hungarians were Hebrew blooded, they wasnt Jew at all but Muslim.
This quotes from Ibn-Fadlan proves that Hungarians were muslims and worship one god...the tauhid which is the foundation of Islam.
This one is contradictive to another which clearly shows that this website is not reliable but fabricated. Hungarians arent God but muslims who surrender to God.
yes Arpad was a muslim as i have mentioned earlier, and the proof is that Arpad's action was surrendering to God and invoke him for mercy is one of the sign of muslim.
another proof that Arpad was a muslim and ask God for a promised homeland which is later called Hungary and God had delivered his promise to his obedient slave...Arpad. Hungary is exist today and before only because God had made it happen. Whatever happens is from God and whatever didnt happen is still from God, God had writen everything before this world was created.
aha that clearly shows that Hungarians were muslims since Islam is the only true monotheist religion in the world. And most of Khazars are and were Jews. Hungarians werent Jew at all.
All this information on this website writen by a Jew clearly shows Hungarians were....Muslim, fullstop.
yeah u think i like enjoying read bs, but rather i have to waste my time correcting the history since Hungarians have nothing to do with Jew at all nor Gypsies. A very unreliable website.
Dezboy are u Jew? Im not racist but i am against Pro-Jewish history on Hungarians, since Hungarians never been Jew. Rather Jews came to Hungary and settled there, who wasnt Hungarians at that time.
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Post by wbb on Oct 26, 2009 6:26:48 GMT -5
About Prophet Abraham/Ibrahim, Quran the last message from God after Torah, Psalm and the Bible. The Allah said in the Quran: “And Ibrahim was not a Jew and he was not a Christian, but he was an upright Muslim and he was not an idolater.” First, the word “Jew” comes from the Hebrew tribe of Judah. This tribe descended from Prophet Yaqoob (Jacob) who was the son of Ishaaq (Isaac) who was one of the sons of Ibrahim (Abraham). Therefore, Prophet Ibrahim was the great-grandfather of the man from whom the Jews would spring. Hence, it is impossible for Prophet Ibrahim himself to be Jewish. And of course he couldn’t be Christian. Christians are those who profess to follow the teachings of Isa Al-Masih (Jesus Christ). Prophet Ibrahim certainly didn’t follow the teachings of modern-day Christians who believe in the Trinity. And Prophet Ibrahim certainly couldn’t follow a man who was born over a thousand years after he died. And there’s more than enough sufficient proof in both the Quran and the Bible establishing that Ibrahim was far from being an idolater. But a Muslim is someone that submits themselves to the will of Allah. Prophet Ibrahim was most certainly that as we’ll soon see, Inshallah. But Allah goes further than that. Allah declares in the above verse that Prophet Ibrahim was more than just a Muslim. He was “Hanifan Musliman,” meaning he was a “Righteous Muslim.” www.islamiclearningmaterials.com/prophet-ibrahim.html
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Post by lvl100 on Oct 26, 2009 13:30:03 GMT -5
yeah u think i like enjoying read bs, You dont have to vent your anger on me. I did not post that link and certainly I did not wrote its content or promote it in any way. Meh , this is what you like to think maybe. Your posts proves that you and "understand" is simply an oxymoron.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 27, 2009 11:41:56 GMT -5
wbb where are you getting your information from? Arpad wasn't muslim and the Magyar were never muslims. They may have co- habitated and formed alliances with muslim tribes they encountered. The early Magyar were shamanists. wbb, what if I am Jewish, would that make me any less Hungarian? You can not deny the jewish history in Hungary.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 27, 2009 14:47:56 GMT -5
Islam became a recognised religion from after 600AD, before this in religious or historical texts we dont hear about the word Muslim or Islam. The well known monotheist religions before Islam were Christianity and Judaism. From what I have read many of the Arabs that Mohamed encountered were previously worshipers of several Gods and were not monotheists this is probably also evidenced by the instruction to worship only one God, which the Christian and Jewish people were already doing. As for the idea that Hungarians by majority were Muslims , I see no evidence for this nor does it seem to be supported by Hungarian oral folk traditions/history/culture. Its possibly true some tribes that allied themselves or possibly assimilated into Hungarians may have been Muslim or had some percentage of Muslim but considering there was no Mosques in Hungary and no prominant Islamic traditions no historical memory or written accounts we can I think conclude the majority of Hungarian people/tribes were not Muslims. About Prophet Abraham/Ibrahim, Quran the last message from God after Torah, Psalm and the Bible. The Allah said in the Quran: “And Ibrahim was not a Jew and he was not a Christian, but he was an upright Muslim and he was not an idolater.” First, the word “Jew” comes from the Hebrew tribe of Judah. This tribe descended from Prophet Yaqoob (Jacob) who was the son of Ishaaq (Isaac) who was one of the sons of Ibrahim (Abraham). Therefore, Prophet Ibrahim was the great-grandfather of the man from whom the Jews would spring. Hence, it is impossible for Prophet Ibrahim himself to be Jewish. And of course he couldn’t be Christian. Christians are those who profess to follow the teachings of Isa Al-Masih (Jesus Christ). Prophet Ibrahim certainly didn’t follow the teachings of modern-day Christians who believe in the Trinity. And Prophet Ibrahim certainly couldn’t follow a man who was born over a thousand years after he died. And there’s more than enough sufficient proof in both the Quran and the Bible establishing that Ibrahim was far from being an idolater. But a Muslim is someone that submits themselves to the will of Allah. Prophet Ibrahim was most certainly that as we’ll soon see, Inshallah. But Allah goes further than that. Allah declares in the above verse that Prophet Ibrahim was more than just a Muslim. He was “Hanifan Musliman,” meaning he was a “Righteous Muslim.” www.islamiclearningmaterials.com/prophet-ibrahim.html
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 27, 2009 15:17:51 GMT -5
as for the imanulu article I have read it before and even posted it here or in the old forum a few years ago.
I think it makes some interesting points but for the most part it seems mainly speculative and some of its speculations seem a bit far fetched and lacking in solid evidence, nevertheless I consider the origins of the Magyar mysterious and Im not totally convinced about any of the theories as they all rely on speculation.
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Post by wbb on Oct 28, 2009 7:58:23 GMT -5
from FBI, Mossad and CIA. yes i know the hungarian's ignorance on their history. Denying something which is true, Arpad was nothing more than a muslim. It was the muslims who founded the unity of different tribes which became Magyars. While shamanistic pagan tribes were still following tribalism and clanism. Unfortunately yes, because Khazar Jews was the traditional enemy of the Magyars, not the ottomans. Remember the Khazar king who was oppressing his own muslim people in his Khazarian khanate, the Kabars or Kavars?! But there's more, Khazars were the most wicked people to anyone who wasnt Khazars or Jewish, most of those tribes were the future Magyar tribes who was oppressed under the Khazars. So if u believe to be Hungarian and consider yourself proudly as Hungarians and accept the very Hungarian history, then give up this Jewish identity, so that many people like me would give u a chance to be Hungarian. My family (half of them is Jewish), they are not proud Hungarians, and they force me too to be like them, u know what i told them? "I chit on ur precious Israel, ur Hitler who is also a jew and ur precious anti-Christ, racist religion." That's how i became muslim and a very proud!!!!...Hungarian!!!! I dont serve the Jews, neither im a slave of Jews as they claim that all the non-jew gentile are the slaves of Jews. I serve "Allah", Allah!!! similar as Jews call Eloh. And yes i accept and believe in Jesus too as muslims also believe in Jesus as one of our prophet. But anyway that's me. Jewish history in Hungary no, but Jewish religion and history among Hungarians yes. I even accept that your place of worship is the biggest in Europe...that's the proof but Hungarians being traditionally a Jew never, that's why every second Hungarian people doesnt like to hear the word.....Jew because it's in their heart. And yes there is an even more retarded Hungarians who doesnt like to hear the word....muslim, mostly the atheist Hungarians and the fundamental Christian Hungarians. I even come across with one, and i smashed his racist face up, maybe a few crack on his cheekbone until he accepted that im also hungarian even if im muslim, he shut the fuked up big time.
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Post by dezboy on Oct 28, 2009 16:02:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry wbb, but ignorance here lies with you...Since when is the"Blood covenant" considered a muslim ritual. The Magyar were pagans not muslims, Kabar (jewish blood) flows through your veins accept it don't deny it.
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Post by oszkarthehun on Oct 28, 2009 20:04:20 GMT -5
I dont know of a previously strong Muslim tradition amongst Khazars even before they became Jews , there is a story that they chose Judaism over Christianity or Islam as the Khazar King said something like it was the first and original monotheistic religion, but more likely there were more pressing geo political and real politic reasons as was the case also when Magyars became Christians. Kabar and Khazar element in Hungarian ethnogenesis is undeniable as Khazar's assimilated into Hungary and Poland after the Khanate broke up,we already know that some Kabar tribes accompanied the 7 Magyar tribes and there is also mention in the Hungarian Chronicles that Khazars/Chazar's were also found in Romania around the time of the Magyar entry into Carpathians. WBB early Turkic peoples like Kabars,Khazars, Kuns/Cumans, Petchenegs/Beszenyos etc were not Arabs nor did they hail from the Middle East hence they were not originally or culturally Muslims, they were originally Tengrists, there were those who went to Middle East and became Arabised/Muslims or became converted from affiliation with other Islamic tribes. from FBI, Mossad and CIA. yes i know the hungarian's ignorance on their history. Denying something which is true, Arpad was nothing more than a muslim. It was the muslims who founded the unity of different tribes which became Magyars. While shamanistic pagan tribes were still following tribalism and clanism. Unfortunately yes, because Khazar Jews was the traditional enemy of the Magyars, not the ottomans. Remember the Khazar king who was oppressing his own muslim people in his Khazarian khanate, the Kabars or Kavars?! But there's more, Khazars were the most wicked people to anyone who wasnt Khazars or Jewish, most of those tribes were the future Magyar tribes who was oppressed under the Khazars. So if u believe to be Hungarian and consider yourself proudly as Hungarians and accept the very Hungarian history, then give up this Jewish identity, so that many people like me would give u a chance to be Hungarian. My family (half of them is Jewish), they are not proud Hungarians, and they force me too to be like them, u know what i told them? "I chit on ur precious Israel, ur Hitler who is also a jew and ur precious anti-Christ, racist religion." That's how i became muslim and a very proud!!!!...Hungarian!!!! I dont serve the Jews, neither im a slave of Jews as they claim that all the non-jew gentile are the slaves of Jews. I serve "Allah", Allah!!! similar as Jews call Eloh. And yes i accept and believe in Jesus too as muslims also believe in Jesus as one of our prophet. But anyway that's me. Jewish history in Hungary no, but Jewish religion and history among Hungarians yes. I even accept that your place of worship is the biggest in Europe...that's the proof but Hungarians being traditionally a Jew never, that's why every second Hungarian people doesnt like to hear the word.....Jew because it's in their heart. And yes there is an even more retarded Hungarians who doesnt like to hear the word....muslim, mostly the atheist Hungarians and the fundamental Christian Hungarians. I even come across with one, and i smashed his racist face up, maybe a few crack on his cheekbone until he accepted that im also hungarian even if im muslim, he shut the fuked up big time.
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Post by wbb on Oct 28, 2009 22:30:03 GMT -5
lol because i find Hungarians arent Jew at all? And Muslims. Kabar wasnt Jewish, Kabar was a group of Khazar muslim minorities unlike the rest of Khazars who was Jewish. And like i mentioned before that Hebrew is not Jewish, Jewish and Muslims are Hebrew. Hebrew means "across the Euphrates river" which is in Iraq. But like i said to Dezboy that majority of Khazars yes was Jewish but Kabars wasnt, Kabars were groups of Khazar muslim minorities. Oszkar, a muslim does not have to be Arabs nor have to be originated from middle east. With all those Turkic people, they converted to Islam when Islamic Caliphate was ruling most of Asia after the prophet Muhammad's death.
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