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Post by ulf on Sept 30, 2010 15:06:31 GMT -5
Also in Estonian Swede=Rootslane Sweden=Rootsi. Needless to add, all the remaining of old Prussian language. Beside Estonians, Finns, Lithuanians, Latvians were not Vikings As Old Norse was language which Vikings spoke, and Baltic languages are not even close to old north Germanic aka Old Norse
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Post by toskaliku on Sept 30, 2010 15:17:47 GMT -5
No, they dont look like Tartars. However, like I said, I have come across plenty, and I mean PLENTY, of Russians who seem to have some strain of Asian in them and that makes perfect sense. They are a people who straddle the border of northern European and Asian.
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Post by thracian08 on Sept 30, 2010 16:38:05 GMT -5
ulf, are u kidding me.
Check out Tatars for yourself:
and you tell me they don't look like Russians !
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Post by thracian08 on Sept 30, 2010 16:39:47 GMT -5
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Post by thracian08 on Sept 30, 2010 16:53:33 GMT -5
And the round faces Russians have - high cheekbones is an Asian feature for sure. No other European people have those type of faces. Russians are very mixed.
I have a Turkish Russian couple who just had a kid. The Turkish guy looks White, the Russian bride looks typical Russian with a very round face, big eyes and other features look white. However, they had a kid, and man that kid has got the roundest largest face. The kid looks half Asian half white if you ask me.
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Post by ulf on Oct 1, 2010 5:25:44 GMT -5
And the round faces Russians have - high cheekbones is an Asian feature for sure Small face is typical for all Upper Paleolithics. 1/2 or more of Europe have small face and big eyes(but mongolic/asiatic eyes are narrow and closed) except for Nordics, Norics, Dinarids and Mediterraneans who got long heads and small cheekbones
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Post by thracian08 on Oct 1, 2010 13:03:32 GMT -5
My Russian friend acknowleges they are mixed.
Scratch a Russian & you'll get a Tatar is the saying. Not to metnion they also mixed with Mongols.
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Post by odel on Oct 1, 2010 13:18:10 GMT -5
Also in Estonian Swede=Rootslane Sweden=Rootsi. Needless to add, all the remaining of old Prussian language. Beside Estonians, Finns, Lithuanians, Latvians were not Vikings As Old Norse was language which Vikings spoke, and Baltic languages are not even close to old north Germanic aka Old Norse How is that an arguement? The only thing you are saying is that vikings didn't speak either baltic-languages and finno-ugric ones and this is obvious to just about everyone I think. However, the Finns and the Estonians which are finno-ugric language speaking people both use words with roots in the word 'rus'. Not all UP's are small faced, actually the bruenn and borreby especially the borreby are considered large faced these two are considered (again especially the borreby) to be quite unreduced UP's. Also dinarids and norics are not long headed quite the contrary. Dinarids and norics (Norics I'd guess to a lesser extent as they are supposed to be a mix of nordics and dinarids, the nordic element could maybe elongate the head) are brachychephalic. Brachychephaly is such an important element in dinarids. Dolichephalacy in balkan persons is pretty much because of meds.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 14, 2011 8:01:39 GMT -5
Serbia has three female tennis players in the top 100 and they all have Asian features... Ana Ivanovic Jelena Jankovic & mother Ana & Jelena Bojana Jovanovski Karolina Jovanovic also has Asian features; More Serbian tennis girls... + random hottie... Definitely some consistency here... Some Asian associated features: small eyes, thin eyebrows, high cheekbones, small nose, straight hair. Body types are Dinaric - tall, mostly mesomorph bodily build, with relatively long legs and short trunk and a medium arm span. ------------------- Definite Asian features but definite Dinaric features also; The vertical height of the cranium is high. Eyes are set relatively close and the surrounding tissue defines them as wide open. The iris is most often brown, with a significant percentage of light pigmentation in the Dinaric population. The nose is large, narrow and convex. The face is long and orthognathic, with a prominent chin, and also wide. The form of the forehead is variable, but not rarely it is bulbous. The hair color is usually dark brown, with black-haired and blond individuals in minority, blondness being the characteristic of the more Central European, morphologically similar Noric race (a race intermediate between Nordic and Dinaric races). The skin is lacking the rosy color characteristic for Northern Europe as well as the relatively brunet pigmentation characteristic for the southernmost Europe and on a geographical plane it is of medium pigmentation and often it is variable.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 14, 2011 8:11:18 GMT -5
Definitely some consistency here... Some Asian associated features: small eyes, thin eyebrows, high cheekbones, small nose, straight hair. Body types are Dinaric - tall, mostly mesomorph bodily build, with relatively long legs and short trunk and a medium arm span. Definite Asian features but definite Dinaric features also; The vertical height of the cranium is high. Eyes are set relatively close and the surrounding tissue defines them as wide open. The iris is most often brown, with a significant percentage of light pigmentation in the Dinaric population. The nose is large, narrow and convex. The face is long and orthognathic, with a prominent chin, and also wide. The form of the forehead is variable, but not rarely it is bulbous. The hair color is usually dark brown, with black-haired and blond individuals in minority, blondness being the characteristic of the more Central European, morphologically similar Noric race (a race intermediate between Nordic and Dinaric races). The skin is lacking the rosy color characteristic for Northern Europe as well as the relatively brunet pigmentation characteristic for the southernmost Europe and on a geographical plane it is of medium pigmentation and often it is variable.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 14, 2011 21:06:32 GMT -5
Greeks called the ancient Sarmatians Sauromatae which meant in ancient Greek "Lizard eyes"
BOOM
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Post by Nikola on Jan 15, 2011 1:17:47 GMT -5
Bojana Jovanovski I never knew Serbs used this kind of surname.
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Post by ulf on Jan 15, 2011 3:16:02 GMT -5
Oh yes, its not common but they use. Like for example famous family Dundjerski.
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Post by Nikola on Jan 15, 2011 4:13:51 GMT -5
But "jerski" is different to "ovski". Could she have some Macedonian ancestry?
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 15, 2011 4:38:06 GMT -5
Greeks called the ancient Sarmatians Sauromatae which meant in ancient Greek "Lizard eyes" BOOM Ancient DNA of 13 Sarmatian remains from Pokrovka and Meirmagul kurgans was extracted for comparative analysis. Most of the genetic traits determined were of western Eurasian origin, while only a few were of central/east Asian origin.Kazam!
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 15, 2011 4:42:14 GMT -5
I never knew Serbs used this kind of surname. She almost certainly bears some paternal lineage from your neck of the woods Nikola. Who knows how much exactly. If you ask me she has a bit of a slav Macedonian look. But; During the tournament in Dubai, it was rumoured Jovanovski would play for Macedonia, reportedly for "being in the shadow of Jelena [Janković] and Ana [Ivanović]". Her father and coach Zoran Jovanovski denied the rumours at once, saying that "Bojana had never even been in Macedonia" and that the rumour was "made up because of her surname".
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Post by Nikola on Jan 15, 2011 5:13:07 GMT -5
During the tournament in Dubai, it was rumoured Jovanovski would play for Macedonia, reportedly for "being in the shadow of Jelena [Janković] and Ana [Ivanović]". Her father and coach Zoran Jovanovski denied the rumours at once, saying that "Bojana had never even been in Macedonia" and that the rumour was "made up because of her surname". That's understandable. If she has never been to Macedonia, and has no interest in it, then she is 100% Serbian if she so chooses in my opinion. I was just curious whether maybe she was partly because of her surname.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 15, 2011 6:25:32 GMT -5
^I think lots of Serbs left Macedonia to Vojvodina during the Serb migrations of the 17th century...I know a few Vojvodinian Serbs with the -ski myself
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Jan 15, 2011 8:51:02 GMT -5
Greeks called the ancient Sarmatians Sauromatae which meant in ancient Greek "Lizard eyes" BOOM Obviously just a folk etymology. Some believe that Melanchlainoi is just a Greek translation of Sauromatai which means "dressed in black furs/mantles" or something to that extent. It's now obvious that the real descendants of the Sarmatians in the Balkans are the Vlachs. ;D
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Jan 16, 2011 7:45:15 GMT -5
It's now obvious that the real descendants of the Sarmatians in the Balkans are the Vlachs. ;D Where did you pull this from?
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