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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 19:10:28 GMT -5
And what are you?
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Post by Username on Oct 10, 2010 21:18:16 GMT -5
I'm half primitive creature yeah, but luckily my Serb parent is not a seljak like the whole Serb nation seems to be.. of which you would be a prime example.
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Post by zoti on Oct 10, 2010 21:35:53 GMT -5
Homosexuality is unnatural. If it were the human species would dissappear. This whole notion of the West trying to impose their values on other societies makes me sick too.
Having said that I don't agree with the violence in Belgrade.
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Post by toskaliku on Oct 10, 2010 22:03:45 GMT -5
I actually think that homoerotic attraction is actually very natural and our aversion to is largely perception. Look how normal it is for women to act out lesbian fantasies. I think that without the guise of perception and culture, we favor both hetero and homo relations. Our own perceptions of beauty and of the definity between gay and straight affects it. I think that were were to remove them we would see a different world of eroticism. If you look into ancient Greek, Roman, Middle Eastern... actually all pre-modern societies you would see it quite clearly. Classical Studies has opened my mind to that reality... that and my affinity for the 60s
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 22:10:07 GMT -5
I'm half primitive creature yeah, but luckily my Serb parent is not a seljak like the whole Serb nation seems to be.. of which you would be a prime example. LOL, You support Democracy?? Freedom of Speech/Expression and the right to protest and the rights to choose what you believe in?? Well i am practicing my rights to oppose Homosexuality and to hate it in all form and expect. I choose to hate Homosexuality because it is my democratic rights to do so. If you seriously want democracy then you must also allow people to hate Homosexuality and to express their feelings, views and opinions about Homosexuality. That is the way of true democracy.
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Post by toskaliku on Oct 10, 2010 22:23:05 GMT -5
Democracy is not freedom of speech; they are not at all related. They are two differing ideas; nor democracy or freedom of speech give a person the right to deny the freedom or existence of another...
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Post by dusko1 on Oct 10, 2010 22:28:19 GMT -5
I'm half primitive creature yeah, but luckily my Serb parent is not a seljak like the whole Serb nation seems to be.. of which you would be a prime example. LOL! Just because some people disagree with certain issues they're automatically a seljak or primitive. Typical left wing homo response. Did you notice how some media outlets have said this gay pride parade in Belgrade was a "test of democracy" in Serbia? The people didn't want it & exercised their right of stopping it. How's that for democracy? Or is democracy all about being force fed homo crap you do not want anything do with?
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Post by zoti on Oct 10, 2010 22:38:33 GMT -5
I actually think that homoerotic attraction is actually very natural and our aversion to is largely perception. Look how normal it is for women to act out lesbian fantasies. I think that without the guise of perception and culture, we favor both hetero and homo relations. Our own perceptions of beauty and of the definity between gay and straight affects it. I think that were were to remove them we would see a different world of eroticism. If you look into ancient Greek, Roman, Middle Eastern... actually all pre-modern societies you would see it quite clearly. Classical Studies has opened my mind to that reality... that and my affinity for the 60s I see your point but while the Ancient Greeks or Romans may have flirted with homosexuality they didn't choose that as a lifestyle and had wives, mistresses or whatever you want call it to reproduce. Also sex is not just about eroticism but also an exercise of power and dominion over another. Men are animals and would literally fvck anything that moved if left to their own devices or were free of all perceptions. Now enjoy
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 22:52:14 GMT -5
Democracy is not freedom of speech; they are not at all related. They are two differing ideas; nor democracy or freedom of speech give a person the right to deny the freedom or existence of another... As what Dusko said, is the Gay Pride Parade a way of forcing Homosexuality upon everyone?? If they have their rights to express their sexuality in public then as a democratic rights to all other people, they have the rights to oppose it and to express their freedom of speech and their views and opinions about the parade. In other words they have the rights to also oppose the Gay Pride Parade. This is democracy, you cannot choose bits of pieces that suits someone and then when someone opposes it, it is considered undemocratic?? As for the EU, we don't want the EU and we definently do not need the EU inorder for us to survive, the EU did nothing good for us, for Serbia and for the people of Serbia, all they did and continue to do is cause headachs, instability and conflicts. The EU itself keeps on preaching about freedom and democracy yet at the same time they try to control Serbia and interfere with a sovereign nations internal affairs, what Serbia should do is cut off all agreements, trade and close it's doors to EU integraton, why join a union that wants to dismember Serbia as a state and her rights to exist. My motto is and the motto should be for all of Serbia and it's people is "FUCK THE EUROPEAN UNION!"
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Post by paja on Oct 10, 2010 22:55:55 GMT -5
Sure, they can protest it. In public forums, petitioning to the government, etc. but not like a bunch of monkeys throwing feces around. You can't assault a people just because you don't agree with them. Also, there are minority rights.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 22:59:52 GMT -5
Democracy is not freedom of speech; they are not at all related. They are two differing ideas; nor democracy or freedom of speech give a person the right to deny the freedom or existence of another... The Gay Pride Parade in Belgrade, it needs to be questioned because is it the reason for holding such a parade as mentioned by Dusko is a way to force Homosexuality upon everyone?? Username keeps on going on about Democracy and how it is their democratic rights to hold a parade and to express their sexuality in public, well since it is Democracy, it applies to everyone and i as a human being have the right to oppose homosexuality, hate it and despise it in all ways and forms. It is the same rights to the citizens of Serbia to practice their democratic rights under the freedom of speech and expression is to oppose it, express their views and opinions on Homosexuality and against Homosexuality. If you truely are for Democracy Username then you will have no problem with people holding protests against the Gay Pride Parade, for people to hate Homosexuality and oppose it. You cannot tell me what i can like, love or what i can hate, the whole point of democracy is to be able to freely express your views and opinions, not tollerate it and to oppose such a thing. I am straight and you don't see me advertising my own sexuality and you don't see straight people holding and organising parades and advertising our sexuality. So why are Homosexuals excluded from this?? What makes them so special?? I believe that Homosexuality is wrong, it is a disease and it should be exterminated. I am a Conservative and i am always for the right!! All the way to the right and far right. Why should some liberal left wing person be able to control what i can say, do, like or hate?? It is my democratic rights to oppose it or not and this is exactly what i am doing.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 23:04:17 GMT -5
Sure, they can protest it. In public forums, petitioning to the government, etc. but not like a bunch of monkeys throwing feces around. You can't assault a people just because you don't agree with them. Also, there are minority rights. Well, think of the kids, do you seriously want your kids exposed to this crap?? For them to grow up and think that homosexality and public gay porn is ok?? How is that setting a good example for the younger generation?? I as a concerned parent believe that these sorts of behaviour should be kept private, at home and in the bedroom where it belongs. If you allow this sort of inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour to go unpunished, next thing you know it they will be having sex in public?? They will also want the rights to be able to marry and by allowing them to marry they will then legally be able to adopt kids and are you seriously willing for kids to be exposed to this, for them to turn out gay aswell thinking it is ok, Homosexuality will also decrease the population, spread diseases such as STD's and HIV/AIDS, not only is it immoral, bad, disgusting and wrong, it is also a health hazzard and a concern to the public health.
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Post by toskaliku on Oct 10, 2010 23:08:13 GMT -5
Its forcing you to accept the fact there is such a community in your country... you deny them the right and tomorrow another community will be denied and another and another. I dont care much for parades but if you deny it for one it should be denied for all.
... lol, but its okay to expose our kids to violence and sex 24/7 on TV. Stanko, your arguments are too basic and emotional... they lack any cohesive thought in them
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 23:20:20 GMT -5
It is a Sexuality and it should be treated as such. It is saying that straight people should also be holding parades with signs saying "I AM STRAIGHT" and them being half nakid, almost fully nakid and hooking up, having sex and making out with the opposite sex.
What makes Gays so special??
These sorts of things should be kept private, at home and in the bedroom where they belong.
Your statement would be very valid but the beauty of this being on Television is it gives parents such as myself to control what my child can see, watch or hear on television where as in public you cannot control it and you cannot go out with a family to spend a nice walk down the streets or have a picnic without seeing Homosexuals running down the streets half nakid making out, having sex and hooking up in the public. There is only one reason for holding such parade it is to force homosexuality upon everybody and as a way of trying to force or get more people to become homosexuals.
Can you blaim people for reacting the way they are reacting??
Homosexuals would be accepted into the society if they would integrate with the rest of the society, not act and behave inappropriately the way they do, and that they kept their pants on in public. These kind of problems can easily be avoided and prevented but it is them that keeps on bringing these sort of attention towards them, they brought all of this upon themselves and if anyone is to be blaimed for the violence, it should be the homosexuals, not the citizens of Serbia and the people that are in the public.
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Post by toskaliku on Oct 10, 2010 23:24:38 GMT -5
While walking around the other day i saw a guy grab his gfs ass. I regularly see couples making out in the city. We both cannot deny we like to see scantily clad girls and oversexualized images... but children see that as well.
And from the looks of it the gay paraders werent doing anything bad... just marching and cheering.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 10, 2010 23:39:21 GMT -5
While walking around the other day i saw a guy grab his gfs ass. I regularly see couples making out in the city. We both cannot deny we like to see scantily clad girls and oversexualized images... but children see that as well. And from the looks of it the gay paraders werent doing anything bad... just marching and cheering. That is different and completely normal and it cannot be anywhere near as holding a parade full of thousands of people being half nakid, being able to see their packages, having sex, hooking up and doing some of the things that are suppose to be kept in private. But seeing a couple holding hands, hug or kiss is different and normal, it is not even close to being comparible to public gay porn. I even with my fiance hold hands, sometimes even hug or kiss in public, that is completely normal and romantic. You can't compare this to a Gay Parade. Also what are they cheering on about?? What they are doing is trying to force homosexuality upon everyone, trying to stir up trouble, provoke and advertise their sexuality, if you behave like that on the streets then expect trouble. They got what they deserve and i think it should of been the Homosexuals that should of got the beating from the police, be arrested and locked up in the cell for disturbing the peace and disturbing the public and stired up sexuality and violence. Also it is quite natural for kids to see a guy and a girl kiss, hug, hold hands and probably sometimes making out, but it is unnatural for them to see same sex people doing it.
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Post by Username on Oct 11, 2010 0:36:54 GMT -5
I'm half primitive creature yeah, but luckily my Serb parent is not a seljak like the whole Serb nation seems to be.. of which you would be a prime example. LOL, You support Democracy?? Freedom of Speech/Expression and the right to protest and the rights to choose what you believe in?? Well i am practicing my rights to oppose Homosexuality and to hate it in all form and expect. I choose to hate Homosexuality because it is my democratic rights to do so. If you seriously want democracy then you must also allow people to hate Homosexuality and to express their feelings, views and opinions about Homosexuality. That is the way of true democracy. There are limits to those freedoms; you cannot intrude onto another person's freedoms through your actions... the actions of the skinheads in Serbia crossed into hate crimes, and threatened the freedom of security of the people attending the pride parade. Nice try.
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Post by Username on Oct 11, 2010 0:45:34 GMT -5
Yes they have that right too, but you don't have a right to silent them by outlawing or stopping the parade through another method, and especially not in the violent manner that your fellow Serbs did at Belgrade pride.
Go protest all you want, but do it peacefully.
Are you seriously jumping onto that point again? Hetereosexuals are not a minority... minority groups such as gays have a reason to hold parades.. . and they're not the only minority group to do so.. they're fighting for a place in society and they see that as an effective tool of achieving their goals.
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Post by Username on Oct 11, 2010 0:50:01 GMT -5
Where did you see thousands of people half naked at the pride parade in Belgrade exactly? Or anywhere really? Someone posted a video of it in this thread, and I didn't see a single non-fully clothed person... no one even holding hands. I used to work by the pride parade route in my city, and I didn't see a single naked person (which is illegal).. much less people having sex.
But I find it funny that you say that.. I don't think you'd object to having girls walking around half naked, would you? Hypocrite.
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Post by Marshall_Stanko on Oct 11, 2010 0:54:32 GMT -5
I havent seen any skin heads as of yet while i watched some of the videos on B92 and on the news report, all i can see is ordinary citizens practicing their democratic rights by protesting against Gay Pride Parades. I don't have a problem with Homosexuals so as long as it is kept private and inside their own homes. They already have freedom however the law says and the Churches say that same sex's cannot get married, you can still be in a partnership and in a relationship without getting married, they already do have all the rights and freedom they could possibly get in the highest form of democracy but behaving like idiots and behaving inappropriate is only asking for trouble.
What they are doing is trying to force homosexuality upon others, that is why many people have a problem with them and why people are so angry, frustrated and pissed off.
The protest was done peacefully untill they clashed with the Homosexuals and a few profanity words were exchanged aswell as the police intervening in a peaceful protest against the Gay Pride Parade and Homosexuality.
Behave the way you are behaving out on the streets, expect trouble, these Homosexuals brought it upon themselves, they started the trouble, if they want to be gay then thats fine but don't go advertising it in public and to the world, nobody cares, nobody wants to know and it should be left at that.
It was done peacefully untill they provoked it.
And what reason is that?
They are alrady part of the society but they refuse to integrate into the society, they see the gay pride parade as an effective tool of forcing homosexuality on everyone and as a way of spreading gay pornography in public.
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