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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:04:29 GMT -5
i don't know who told you all these but the fact is that Albanians a little after the Ottoman conquest became the most faithful non-Turks of the Empire, even converted massively in a muslim-centered state, where the dilemma of death or islamization existed till its end. The extent of ottomanization of albo minds is as much as big as the Bosnaks' one, and this was expressed and during the Balkan Wars when all the Balkanians cared to kick Osmanlis out of Europe but only Albos and Bosnaks had a different opinion... I've posted that again: " The Albanians who have been shedding their blood for the empire for the last five hundred years, do not want its perdition, even though they realise it is determined to destroy itself and be cut up among its enemies. The Albanians will continue to the very end to spill their blood for the empire and will maintain their allegiance as they have in the past. When they finally obtain a good government, one which is sufficiently stabilized, they will then be able to assist Turkey more and better. " Sami Frashericome on... Exactly the same happened when Fascists and Nazis...invaded Balkans, when the usual whorres Albos run to support them, or at least being indifferent... if Fascists stayed more years i bet you would all convert to Catholicism... What about the Greeks that converted to Islam during Ottoman times? Are they any better than the turkalvanos? They converted back and like to claim how pure they are. The change of religion has been frequent throughout history, greeks are probably the biggest frauds of them all. Before orthodox they embraced Islam before that they were orthodox before christians before pagans before worshiping Zeus, etc... If you were really Greek and pure you would still be worshiping Zeus and Athena.. Greeks bended over to the ottoman in every aspect. Turks came to Constantinople? Greeks just bended over like they did with Asia minor. The Greeks who under Ottoman rule converted to islam are now good Turkish boys and girls and let them fock with turkomongols. During the Ottoman rule the supreme sign of devotion and bending to Osman bayrak was to convert to Islam and be faithfull to the Empire, thing that the majority of Albos did(like Bosnaks too) while the rest of Balkanians resisted that pressure and managed to kick Mongols out(effectively) of Europe starting from 1821 to 1912-13 while Albos "shed their blood" for Top Kapi or at the best stood indifferently watching the others struggling... The Greeks of Minor Asia managed to survive despite the pressure for about 3000 years there, even after 500 and more years of Turkic oppression...while Arnavuds in the other edge of Balkans became the number one bitches...
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Post by atdhetari on Nov 29, 2010 18:12:47 GMT -5
just because you are christian doesn't make you less of a turk, you may have changed your religion but the turkish seed is deep in you.
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Post by mystery on Nov 29, 2010 18:14:37 GMT -5
just because you are christian doesn't make you less of a turk, you may have changed your religion but the turkish seed is deep in you. ask the ones in Constantinople hehee
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Post by greek1234 on Nov 29, 2010 18:17:08 GMT -5
Over 80 per cent of Albanians are of Muslim faith. Albanians during the 17th century converted in large numbers to Islam, the Albanians where well integrated into the Ottoman bureaucracy. The Albanians are traitors of their own history and identity. Skanderberg/ George Kastriotis was a Christian who had Greek/ Slavic origins. George Kastriotis fought the Muslim Ottomans, the modern Albanians are now Muslims. Albania received her Independence in 1912, only when the the Ottoman Empire was at the brink of collapse. Albanian Muslims would willingly shed their blood for the Ottoman Empire. The Muslim Albanians fought countless battles alongside the Turks during the Greek War of Independence, the Albanians where swiftly defeated by the Christian Greeks.
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 29, 2010 18:17:22 GMT -5
Its Istanbul, the people who live there, including the 100,000 sum Albanians, dont say Constantinople. That city died in 1453
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:17:26 GMT -5
just because you are christian doesn't make you less of a turk, you may have changed your religion but the turkish seed is deep in you. my ancestors would prefer to get killed or migrate(like mine did 200 years ago, from Sparti to near Patras) than to get married or mix with Turks. Albos and Bosnaks on the other hand would consider it honour... haven't you read the funny "epic" of the tourkalvanos Hadji-Sekreti ,the Alipasaliade, in honour to his master Ali... where he proudfully makes Ali Pasha originating from Konya...?
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:19:13 GMT -5
Its Istanbul, the people who live there, including the 100,000 sum Albanians, dont say Constantinople. That city died in 1453 well when your die in the paper they will write Thodhor Pilkati not Tedaj or Tod... ;D
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 29, 2010 18:21:03 GMT -5
Doesnt change the fact that its called Istanbul
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:23:27 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D what happened there? Serbs kicked your tourkalvanian assses as far as Avlona and then you were lucky that the Great Powers gave you your independence(since they didn't want to annoy Turkey even more...)
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 29, 2010 18:26:11 GMT -5
We bled them dry. Shkoder was the only city that mounted a defense and would have stood if Riza Pasha were not assassinated. It was a bribed victory after that. Still, the siege was an absolute military disaster for Montenegro considering its losses and results. They didnt "kickass" since the rest of the way was sold by a Pasha who wanted to be recognized as king by the attacking powers and wanted to enter the war on their side... mistakenly thinking that if he did so they would not commit the brutally they went on to commit. A detailed history of the siege here: www.archive.org/stream/struggleforscuta00durhuoft/struggleforscuta00durhuoft_djvu.txt
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:26:31 GMT -5
Doesnt change the fact that its called Istanbul You call Argyrokastro as Gjirokaster, that doesn't make its original name outdated...
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 29, 2010 18:29:21 GMT -5
Yes it does, the world calls it Gjirokaster... thats what matters. What the peasants and beggars of the EU call it doesnt matter a lick to the real world.
Constantinople is deader than dead. Its been buried and has been rotting. Its churches are all beatiful camis today, its symbols have been turned into oriental sounds. Everything about it is dead.
Oh, except 2000 rotting remnants. But Turks left you guys some scraps... they were nice to you I guess
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:37:36 GMT -5
Yes it does, the world calls it Gjirokaster... thats what matters. What the peasants and beggars of the EU call it doesnt matter a lick to the real world. Constantinople is deader than dead. Its been buried and has been rotting. Its churches are all beatiful camis today, its symbols have been turned into oriental sounds. Everything about it is dead. Oh, except 2000 rotting remnants. But Turks left you guys some scraps... they were nice to you I guess you can call it simply "is tin Polin"...
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 29, 2010 18:40:24 GMT -5
No. Istanbul if I want to be proper, or Stambol if I want to partake in Balkan heritage
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Post by Patrinos on Nov 29, 2010 18:41:32 GMT -5
No. Istanbul if I want to be proper, or Stambol if I want to partake in Balkan heritage if you want to sound like a budala ayatolah call it every name you want...
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Post by toskaliku on Nov 29, 2010 18:47:16 GMT -5
Or if I want to sound like anyone from the rest of the world.
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Post by atdhetari on Nov 29, 2010 19:00:59 GMT -5
The Albanians are traitors of their own history and identity. Skanderberg/ George Kastriotis was a Christian who had Greek/ Slavic origins. George Kastriotis fought the Muslim Ottomans, the modern Albanians are now Muslims. that is a clever adjustment sure to please everybody, a serb and a greek, one question though, how did we betray im if he wasn't albanian at all? just doesn't add up.
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Post by atdhetari on Nov 29, 2010 19:08:22 GMT -5
Doesnt change the fact that its called Istanbul You call Argyrokastro as Gjirokaster, that doesn't make its original name outdated... you greeks are a piece of work, the degree to which you are conceited is beyond any stretch of the imagination, you think north pole is greek, this is exactly why you are broke and helpless today, coz u start believing you are better than anyone else, like somehow u are the descendands of the great hellenes and you can do no wrong, you are the epicentre of the world and you radiate wisdom and wealth, but you're just a bunch of jumped up monglers cloaked in a veil of mythology, you are a perfect case study for a propaganda assignment, you are the embodiment of what a well drilled and highly effective historical manipulation does to a bunch of peasants, you went from the waste of the empire to the children of the greatest civilisation, go fcking figure!
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Post by kartadolofonos on Nov 29, 2010 21:22:25 GMT -5
The Modern Greeks are the direct descendants of the glorious Ancient Hellenes with one of the riches History in the World and you stupid Albanians didn't have a real history and resample the Fyroslavomanians to insult the Greeks with false claims.
Have you no shame !!
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Post by rex362 on Nov 29, 2010 22:43:09 GMT -5
yes I saw the big statue of Kastrioti in Belgrade and even the bigger and better one in Athens
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