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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 23, 2011 16:37:27 GMT -5
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 16:51:27 GMT -5
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They're actually "B's".
That's very strange. You're telling me Serbs have been misreading that grb this whole time? lol
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Post by terroreign on Sept 23, 2011 17:08:17 GMT -5
that's one of the more pathetic theories floating around.
a more realistic one is that it is a sarmatian symbol for the sun, symbolized though 'firesteels', which is what we call them in serbian.
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 18:26:40 GMT -5
^Regarding our CCCC ?
What is the history behind that symbol, you know ?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 23, 2011 18:32:36 GMT -5
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 18:43:19 GMT -5
So I guess Serbs "converted" the ocila to "C's", where can I find more refrencing on this?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 23, 2011 18:50:28 GMT -5
Lets me see... it is a region that has been firmly part of Byzantine religious and cultural influence versus some almost imaginary (and culturally primitive) steppe Sarmatian horseman from much further east with whom Krivo has a strage fascination with lately (based solely on potential connection via Serb name itself).
I will easily go with Byzantines.
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 18:57:20 GMT -5
Ok, but how did the ocila get converted to CCCC (with the meaning), was it just creativity from the Serbs? Since the tool and the letter "C" look simmiliar?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 23, 2011 18:58:15 GMT -5
yes it's true aadmin, they were culturally primitive, so they had to use firesteels to make fire.... Gusle + Slava + Significant of the number 3 = the steppes
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 19:15:01 GMT -5
The origin of this symbol is from the Byzantine coat of arms where stylized Greek letters B stood for the imperial motto ...("King of kings, ruling over kings") in Greek.According to legends and historians it was coined in the 12th century by St. Sava,en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_Unity_Saves_the_SerbsCan anyone direct me to where I can find more information on this?
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 23, 2011 19:50:34 GMT -5
This is interesting. So every family in Montenegro is part of a clan?
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Post by terroreign on Sept 23, 2011 20:03:28 GMT -5
^Well, only the Serb families, and in Herzegovina too.
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Post by fishcake on Sept 23, 2011 20:13:24 GMT -5
This is interesting. So every family in Montenegro is part of a clan? Yes and they're all related somehow. They're the balkan version of hicks/rednecks.
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 20:21:09 GMT -5
^ are you a result of incest and somehow trying to blame Serbs?
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Post by Moe Lester on Sept 23, 2011 20:23:48 GMT -5
Cool, are there clan meetings? Were the clans ever at war with one another?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Sept 23, 2011 20:30:54 GMT -5
The motif of a cross between four objects is derived from Constantine's labarum and has figured on Byzantine coins, since the 6th c. Later, the 4 symbols of the cross have been interpreted as flints or firestones, but also as the initials (letters β) of the imperial motto of the Palaiologos dynasty: King of Kings, Ruling Over Kings (Greek: βασιλεύς βασιλέων, βασιλεύων βασιλευόντων - Basileus Basileōn, Basileuōn Basileuontōn).[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_cross
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 20:33:39 GMT -5
The motif of a cross between four objects is derived from Constantine's labarum and has figured on Byzantine coins, since the 6th c. Later, the 4 symbols of the cross have been interpreted as flints or firestones, but also as the initials (letters β) of the imperial motto of the Palaiologos dynasty: King of Kings, Ruling Over Kings (Greek: βασιλεύς βασιλέων, βασιλεύων βασιλευόντων - Basileus Basileōn, Basileuōn Basileuontōn).[1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_crossNot to be blunt or anything but... you mean to tell me that "Samo Sloga Srbina Spasava" is a cheap knock-off of "King of kings, ruling over kings" ?
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Post by fishcake on Sept 23, 2011 20:36:44 GMT -5
^ are you a result of incest and somehow trying to blame Serbs? I didn't say Serbs Uzi the topic is about "tribes of Montenegro".
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Post by uz on Sept 23, 2011 20:37:14 GMT -5
^ are you a result of incest and somehow trying to blame Serbs? I didn't say Serbs Uzi the topic is about "tribes of Montenegro". Same difference.
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Post by terroreign on Sept 23, 2011 20:37:26 GMT -5
Cool, are there clan meetings? Were the clans ever at war with one another? yes, there are. yep there were battles/mass blood feuds...however became less prolific after 1851 when the sovereign tribal districts were dissolved under the central montenegrin government.
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