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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 21, 2010 7:53:02 GMT -5
Anyone else seen the documentary "Weight of Chains?" Seems to be generating a bit of attention in my circles. Apparently not officially released till next year but I've seen it. www.weightofchains.com/Synopsis The Weight Of Chains presents the perspective of 23 year old Canadian Serb, Boris Malagurski on Western involvement in the division of the ethnic groups within Yugoslavia and argues that the war was forced from outside, while regular people wanted peace. However, according to the author of the film, extreme fractions on all sides, fuelled by their foreign mentors, outvoiced the moderates and even ten years after the last conflict the hatred remains and people continue spreading myths of what really happened in the 1990's. This film also presents positive stories from the war – people helping each other regardless of their ethnic background, stories of bravery and self-sacrifice. Archival footage was provided by Radio Television Serbia
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 21, 2010 8:01:53 GMT -5
I've seen it and first thing I'll say is that it is massively Yugonostalgic in bias. It's more a Yugoslav then a Serbian perspective if you ask me so the Yugonostalgics here (Srbobran, Pyrros, Novi), aka southern Serbs will like it quite a lot. There is just so much information that is squeezed in & I think it makes you realize you can not put over 1000 years of history into a 2 hour documentary. The later parts of the doco become more interesting with an insight into western (US, NATO, EU) policy and how it contributed to the outbreak of war, it's bias against Serbs and the further domination and takeover of the Balkans... I think the EU is best labelled a corporation and I think western countries these days are also better labelled as corporations after seeing this doco. My words not those of the doco.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 8:07:39 GMT -5
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 21, 2010 8:20:57 GMT -5
The media have their cops & robbers. Cowboys & Indians. Good guys and bad guys. Maybe it's only our personal experience that makes us see how stupidly biased the media is particularly on international issues. The masses if they have no personal association with the news I guess they just buy it. I just don't understand the systems within journalism which allow for this. I mean journalists are often portrayed as educated people with a passion to expose the truth. In reality they just feed us totally one sided ridiculous bullshit. I don't understand how this happens. It's like a conspiracy or something. Perhaps it's as simple as a chain reaction pushed down from those with the most power. The corporations and Jews.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 21, 2010 8:31:14 GMT -5
"I mean journalists are often portrayed as educated people with a passion to expose the truth."
It suffices to just think, that those people (journalists), never actually *made* anything, never built anything, never engineered anything, never innovated in anything.
Every time i see my dad reading his brand new weekend fat newspaper, i feel the need to grab his paper and set it on fire.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 21, 2010 9:07:14 GMT -5
It suffices to just think, that those people (journalists), never actually *made* anything, never built anything, never engineered anything, never innovated in anything. Pyrros yes as engineers we see how other professions are over-valued. I was watching a documentary on Nikola Tesla and I didn't know this till I saw it but at the turn of the 19th century it was literally the scientists who were the celebrities. That is like a utopian dream that already existed aparently. Tesla used to mingle with the elite, was guest of honour at any restaurant and was always in the news. Gossip was about his conflicts with Edison rather than actors. Just amazing. In comparison, nowadays society is so s**t... We have capitalism overkill, hedonism, superficiality, Hollywood, secular anti-values...
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 22, 2010 7:05:21 GMT -5
^ Arsenije, as an Engineer myself, l can safely tell you LABOURERS have a heap of power. This is predominately due to UNIONS pushing for more rewards. It just fascinates me when one looks back into biblical times....the Labourers were simply, just SLAVES, and as both yourself and Pyrro had mentioned, Engineers, Artists, Writers etc....were treated with respect, but today they arn't.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 22, 2010 10:03:23 GMT -5
Novi, I like the unions. Without them the small minority of corrupted capitalists do not stop taking.
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Post by drinus123 on Dec 22, 2010 12:44:47 GMT -5
seems like the serbian version of michael moore
imo judging by trailer this guy blames everybody but his own kin...
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Post by atdhetari on Dec 22, 2010 17:54:47 GMT -5
any links? i'll watch the first few minutes, if someone starts a sentence with 'serbs were the victims of...' i'm gonna close it
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 22, 2010 21:48:52 GMT -5
This is one of the parts I found interesting... Create policy to bankrupt companies and then come in and purchase them for a pittance... it's happened and happening across the Balkans.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 23, 2010 2:43:51 GMT -5
Novi, I like the unions. Without them the small minority of corrupted capitalists do not stop taking. You forget that unions are corrupt as well. They're no different than corporations, except unions seek to monopolize services and corporations seek to monopolize goods.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 23, 2010 2:50:07 GMT -5
Arsenije, i could not find it on-line. Any links for download?
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Post by Novi Pazar on Dec 23, 2010 8:03:09 GMT -5
Arsenije, l not against Unions, but l feel they have too much power. They are pushing for the extreme, causing some companies to move offshore because they cannot afford it.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Dec 24, 2010 17:46:54 GMT -5
The media have their cops & robbers. Cowboys & Indians. Good guys and bad guys. Maybe it's only our personal experience that makes us see how stupidly biased the media is particularly on international issues. The masses if they have no personal association with the news I guess they just buy it. I just don't understand the systems within journalism which allow for this. I mean journalists are often portrayed as educated people with a passion to expose the truth. In reality they just feed us totally one sided ridiculous bulls**t. I don't understand how this happens. It's like a conspiracy or something. Perhaps it's as simple as a chain reaction pushed down from those with the most power. The corporations and Jews. The media constructs the peoples worldview. Since most people can't think for themselves, the method works flawlessly. Its job is to manipulate people, lying is the inevitable result. It's that simple. That is a lie that gives the media the appearance of authority. We are all trained to trust and obey authority or the "professionals". Add communism to that also. So you don't like abortion, our godless society, the media, Political Correctness, Hollywood, porn promotion, etc..? It's amazing that you never bother to look up who is behind it. You don't like the media, search who owns it and operated it. Don't like porn? Do the same. Promotion of homosexuality? Do the same. The answer will be the same everytime. One constant factor, one tribe behind it all.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 24, 2010 19:07:44 GMT -5
Yugonostalgics
You can easily include me in that group youngster since that was a real country and unlike the utter crap that followed after its demise which was obviously orchestrated by outside sources and its agents (Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbegovic to name some). If it was still in existence (in whatever forum, even as a confederacy) it would have entered EU by mid 1990s easily and it would have had a standard of living just like any western country by now and many of us would have never left the country or would have been typing from one of its cities. Funny how kids today who have no clue about what that country was are quick to judge something the will never know first hand.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 24, 2010 22:06:07 GMT -5
The result of the Yugoslavia which so many idiots are nostalgic about is inflation, corruption and bureaucracy. Yeah, bloody paradise. That's why people couldn't wait to leave it.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 25, 2010 13:35:36 GMT -5
Novus
Can you enlighten me and tell me the time when the people in those areas have lived better then it was in despised Yugoslavia?
PS: I guess you didn't not read new instruction where I am trying to verbally civilize you Balkanoids from things such as calling people you disagree with as idiots (that denotes a very low class behavior unbecoming of a civilized person really).
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 25, 2010 14:02:38 GMT -5
AAdmin, i agree with you an that, although, unfortunately i never lived in this great country.
Deucaon, ex-yu ended up with 20B $ foreign dept, which is peanuts compared to *any* modern balkan country:
Serbia : 40B $ Bulgaria-Croatia : of the ranks of 50B $ Greece : 500 $ B
Deuacon, Babylon :
Under communism, we had the golden age of the Slavic nations. Loads of works, big projects, Dzerdap, Zastava, Russian on Space.
COMMUNISM = SLAVIC golden age.
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Post by Gigolo on Dec 25, 2010 18:52:02 GMT -5
Novus Can you enlighten me and tell me the time when the people in those areas have lived better then it was in despised Yugoslavia? PS: I guess you didn't not read new instruction where I am trying to verbally civilize you Balkanoids from things such as calling people you disagree with as idiots (that denotes a very low class behavior unbecoming of a civilized person really). Yugoslavia had brief moments of "greatness", at least by Balkan standards, but overall it was a major fail. The 50's and 60's were not so rosy and neither were the late 80's. As soon as it stopped living of foreign loans it crashed and burn. The country was a artificial entity that disintegrated twice, both times very violently. To me, that's a pretty good sign that it's not a good idea.
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