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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 25, 2010 21:19:30 GMT -5
Novus Can you enlighten me and tell me the time when the people in those areas have lived better then it was in despised Yugoslavia? PS: I guess you didn't not read new instruction where I am trying to verbally civilize you Balkanoids from things such as calling people you disagree with as idiots (that denotes a very low class behavior unbecoming of a civilized person really). (1) Kingdom of Yugoslavia was better. In fact most of everything "made" in Tito's Yugoslavia was inherited from the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Regardless, they were both mistakes and Serbs shouldn't care about the welfare of non-Serbs since Serbs always help non-Serbs at the detriment of themselves. (2) Yeah, I guess I didn't not read it. I guess it's probably because I, unlike you, wasn't born with a silver spoon up my ass. AAdmin, i agree with you an that, although, unfortunately i never lived in this great country. Deucaon, ex-yu ended up with 20B $ foreign dept, which is peanuts compared to *any* modern balkan country: Serbia : 40B $ Bulgaria-Croatia : of the ranks of 50B $ Greece : 500 $ B Deuacon, Babylon : Under communism, we had the golden age of the Slavic nations. Loads of works, big projects, Dzerdap, Zastava, Russian on Space. COMMUNISM = SLAVIC golden age. You're forgetting the inflation. Since the 70s there was massive inflation because of the trade deficit because socialists don't know anything about economics and Tito was a paranoid and senile old fool who wouldn't have been qualified to lead a parade. Also, Tito resorted to slavery to "rebuild" Yugoslavia after WW2 whereas the Kingdom of Yugoslavia never resorted to that yet managed to go from the aftermath of WW1 to one of the most powerful nation-states in Europe. Also, the Kings never resorted to wide-spread massacres whereas that was Tito's forte. If you misguided fools wish to idolize a mistake, then idolize the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. Idolizing Tito's Yugoslavia merely reveals how idiotic you are and how susceptible you are to mindless propaganda. That's not an insult, that's a helpful suggestion. Also, keep in mind that had Kingdom of Yugoslavia remained then it would've been allied to America/Britain/France thus there's a good chance it wouldn't have been divided by them and it would be in the EU as we discuss this. So why don't you idolize the Kingdom of Yugoslavia? I really don't understand the idiocy of people. It's like they've made a conscious choice to be stupid.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Dec 25, 2010 23:09:43 GMT -5
Pyrros, communism was created by jews. It was installed in Russia by jews, and the revolution was financed by jewish bankers(some of the richest banking dynasties on earth). What is so Slavic about that?
The take over was also very bloody, around 40-60 million Slavs were killed by the Marxists, and much(all?) of the native aristocracy was liquidated. That's not a golden episode in Slavic history.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 26, 2010 2:33:42 GMT -5
Alright, lets forget things that we are told, or read, since none of you guys seem to have first hand experience of what you are talking about.
Communism was PRO-slav, as long as it lasted.
Any of you geniuses ever wondered WHY all the menace against communism in the modern jew-run media?
The formal shape of communism (the theoretic part) might indeed be orchestrated by jews. However it was a system identical with the ancient slavic practices (zadruga, common ownership, etc...)
And lets not be playing games here, Then when you listened to terms as Yugoslavia or USSR images of bravery and accomplishment came to mind. Now? war, prostitution, cheap labor, etc...
Deucaon, you should know that British agents (i'll give you names if you ask) were in close cooperation with the partizans. ex-YU was as pro-western and the west was as pro-yu as it could get. It is very elementary to understand that: Great Britain, USA ENDORSED Socialist Yugoslavia. (The meta-Nazis in Germany might have some views against it, but they had to obey, no choice for them).
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A case of such a British agent, openly acting *inside* the circles of high ranking partizan members is described in the book of John Keegan : "History of warfare", written in 1994.
One natural abnormality in this chapter, is that the author neither can abandon his idea of including this source into his book, nor can he give the yugoslavs a "good" image (the book was written in 1994).
So what he does is generally represent a vicious satanic tribal backward nation, with direct condemnations against communism.
PS2 This phenomenon of the Brits-West to present their own alliances every way they like is beyond me.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 26, 2010 3:50:38 GMT -5
Socialism doesn't work. Socialism is an internationalist ideology. Even right-wing socialists like the fascists were expansionists and believed in imposing their opinion on the world. If you truly are for Serbdom then you'd be against internationalism and the ideologies that preach it.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 26, 2010 4:34:58 GMT -5
Answer me : WHEN WAS THAT MOST SERBS DIE? DURING SOCIALISM OR NON-SOCIALISM? I want a honest one liner. You are the one praising survival over anything else. Answer the darn question. PS MOST important fact : LARGEST number of SLAVIC-oriented archeological studies, research, excavations, theories were done during commie times. Now? Slavs are muted, they are not even allowed to talk, to exist. Here in Greece, underneath *any* anti-commie sentiment is hidden great anti-slav hatred. (same pattern in modern Kosovo, where USA flags and McDonalds prevail over a place where even the use of Bulgarian or Polish language is considered a crime). Just see the damned signs...
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 26, 2010 6:48:39 GMT -5
Answer me : WHEN WAS THAT MOST SERBS DIE? DURING SOCIALISM OR NON-SOCIALISM? I want a honest one liner. You are the one praising survival over anything else. Answer the darn question. PS MOST important fact : LARGEST number of SLAVIC-oriented archeological studies, research, excavations, theories were done during commie times. Now? Slavs are muted, they are not even allowed to talk, to exist. Here in Greece, underneath *any* anti-commie sentiment is hidden great anti-slav hatred. (same pattern in modern Kosovo, where USA flags and McDonalds prevail over a place where even the use of Bulgarian or Polish language is considered a crime). Just see the damned signs... Survival includes genetic independence/dominance. And the only reason anybody listened to Slavs was because Moscow had nukes. No other reason. Not to mention that socialism has impoverished the whole area, including Greece. Look at those idiotic bureaucrats, rioting so they don't have to make an honest living. And you want to defend this type of system? Fine. But don't associate it with Serbdom.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 26, 2010 6:56:05 GMT -5
I ain't associating anything with anything. Just observing signs.
Now, you make a mistake by mentioning Greece in the most unbelievable context. Greece should the heaven for any anti-socialist. Here even to do the smallest medical action you need to pay 800 euros. Dont confuse total incompetency and idiocy with Socialism. Its a f**king blasphemy.
Look, judging form how i was in my early years, school, in Greece (lets repeat: the most capitalist country in europe) and my wife's life in kinedrgarden, school, back in Bosna, there simply can be no comparison.
Thats how i see it : Peoples are peoples (the same for 1000s of years), systems mean nothing to them. Nothing.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Dec 26, 2010 14:31:26 GMT -5
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Dec 26, 2010 15:14:36 GMT -5
Speech by Papaandrou at his socialist event.. " It is our core values that must become the force for change in our global society, in a global society where we are all today interdependent, a global society where we need global governance. Yes, we need to govern our planet. This is what historically we must do today. But how? And this is where we need our values. We need a global governance which is democratic. We need a global society where social justice must be paramount. We need a global society where a new partnership exists of respect, and is developed between humanity and our environment. And in our global society, in this global society today, local issues, regional and international issues form a common agenda. Yes, this is why our international movement, the Socialist International, is so important, is so relevant. Because our agenda today is an agenda for local politics." This is intersting too... " It would be unfortunate and a global failure if Copenhagen were not able to agree on important framework and policy agendas. This is, if you like, to paraphrase; this is an issue too big to be allowed to fail." Climate change legislation helps being world government. www.socialistinternational.org/viewArticle.cfm?ArticlePageID=1454
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Post by Gigolo on Dec 26, 2010 15:18:10 GMT -5
Alright, lets forget things that we are told, or read, since none of you guys seem to have first hand experience of what you are talking about. Communism was PRO-slav, as long as it lasted. Any of you geniuses ever wondered WHY all the menace against communism in the modern jew-run media? The formal shape of communism (the theoretic part) might indeed be orchestrated by jews. However it was a system identical with the ancient slavic practices (zadruga, common ownership, etc...) And lets not be playing games here, Then when you listened to terms as Yugoslavia or USSR images of bravery and accomplishment came to mind. Now? war, prostitution, cheap labor, etc... Deucaon, you should know that British agents (i'll give you names if you ask) were in close cooperation with the partizans. ex-YU was as pro-western and the west was as pro-yu as it could get. It is very elementary to understand that: Great Britain, USA ENDORSED Socialist Yugoslavia. (The meta-Nazis in Germany might have some views against it, but they had to obey, no choice for them). PS A case of such a British agent, openly acting *inside* the circles of high ranking partizan members is described in the book of John Keegan : "History of warfare", written in 1994. One natural abnormality in this chapter, is that the author neither can abandon his idea of including this source into his book, nor can he give the yugoslavs a "good" image (the book was written in 1994). So what he does is generally represent a vicious satanic tribal backward nation, with direct condemnations against communism. PS2 This phenomenon of the Brits-West to present their own alliances every way they like is beyond me. Newsflash: Croats and Bosnians don't care what's pro-Slav, they care what's pro-Croatian and pro-Bosnian. And the truth is, Russia could could care less about things that aren't of use to Russia. Everyone is out for themselves. You need to understand that. Not everyone is charmed by some fictional naive idea of pan unity which has never really existed.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 26, 2010 20:22:09 GMT -5
I ain't associating anything with anything. Just observing signs. Now, you make a mistake by mentioning Greece in the most unbelievable context. Greece should the heaven for any anti-socialist. Here even to do the smallest medical action you need to pay 800 euros. Dont confuse total incompetency and idiocy with Socialism. Its a f**king blasphemy. Look, judging form how i was in my early years, school, in Greece (lets repeat: the most capitalist country in europe) and my wife's life in kinedrgarden, school, back in Bosna, there simply can be no comparison. Thats how i see it : Peoples are peoples (the same for 1000s of years), systems mean nothing to them. Nothing. Total incompetency and idiocy is socialism. Remember that capitalism, actual capitalism, turned America from Britain's rural backyard to the world's leading industrial nation. And on top of it, America didn't have to kill millions to do so. Kingdom of Yugoslavia was capitalist and it managed to overcome WW1 and become a regional superpower. It comes down to people willing to work for their own survival and enrichment and not out of charity. Socialists believe people can be coerced. They can't. People will lie about what they have, people will call in sick, people will be lazy at work. People won't work. And if doctors are charging too much in Greece then it's because there's not enough doctors in Greece. Basic supply and demand. If the Greek government tried to impose their will on doctors then the doctors will become much more lazy and demand bribes. Also, most doctor appointments wouldn't be made if it wasn't required by law to get a doctor's prescription for certain drugs. Blame your socialist government for that.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 26, 2010 21:59:37 GMT -5
sorry if i sound like cheering, but tagging Papandreou as a Socialist is smth that will make me laugh for the rest of the day, and its only 05:00 in the morning.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 26, 2010 22:06:05 GMT -5
I ain't associating anything with anything. Just observing signs. Now, you make a mistake by mentioning Greece in the most unbelievable context. Greece should the heaven for any anti-socialist. Here even to do the smallest medical action you need to pay 800 euros. Dont confuse total incompetency and idiocy with Socialism. Its a f**king blasphemy. Look, judging form how i was in my early years, school, in Greece (lets repeat: the most capitalist country in europe) and my wife's life in kinedrgarden, school, back in Bosna, there simply can be no comparison. Thats how i see it : Peoples are peoples (the same for 1000s of years), systems mean nothing to them. Nothing. Total incompetency and idiocy is socialism. Remember that capitalism, actual capitalism, turned America from Britain's rural backyard to the world's leading industrial nation. And on top of it, America didn't have to kill millions to do so. Kingdom of Yugoslavia was capitalist and it managed to overcome WW1 and become a regional superpower. It comes down to people willing to work for their own survival and enrichment and not out of charity. Socialists believe people can be coerced. They can't. People will lie about what they have, people will call in sick, people will be lazy at work. People won't work. And if doctors are charging too much in Greece then it's because there's not enough doctors in Greece. Basic supply and demand. If the Greek government tried to impose their will on doctors then the doctors will become much more lazy and demand bribes. Also, most doctor appointments wouldn't be made if it wasn't required by law to get a doctor's prescription for certain drugs. Blame your socialist government for that. Greece is full of doctors. It is not so simple. And bribes are a common practice *EVEN IN PRIVATE HOSPITALS*, can you imagine ? And pls, stop calling Greece socialist. Greece is the most capitalist country in Europe. I already said that, you are neither deaf nor blind, are you? Now about USA and capitalism and industrialization, etc.... WITHOUT the need to kill millions, you are seeing this by a completely distorted mirror. UK HAD to kill millions to establish USA. Netherlands/UK had to kill millions to establish south africa, etc etc...
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Post by la3ar on Dec 26, 2010 22:08:42 GMT -5
Total incompetency and idiocy is socialism. Remember that capitalism, actual capitalism, turned America from Britain's rural backyard to the world's leading industrial nation. And on top of it, America didn't have to kill millions to do so. Kingdom of Yugoslavia was capitalist and it managed to overcome WW1 and become a regional superpower. It comes down to people willing to work for their own survival and enrichment and not out of charity. Socialists believe people can be coerced. They can't. People will lie about what they have, people will call in sick, people will be lazy at work. People won't work. And if doctors are charging too much in Greece then it's because there's not enough doctors in Greece. Basic supply and demand. If the Greek government tried to impose their will on doctors then the doctors will become much more lazy and demand bribes. Also, most doctor appointments wouldn't be made if it wasn't required by law to get a doctor's prescription for certain drugs. Blame your socialist government for that. Greece is full of doctors. It is not so simple. And bribes are a common practice *EVEN IN PRIVATE HOSPITALS*, can you imagine ? And pls, stop calling Greece socialist. Greece is the most capitalist country in Europe. I already said that, you are neither deaf nor blind, are you? Now about USA and capitalism and industrialization, etc.... WITHOUT the need to kill millions, you are seeing this by a completely distorted mirror. UK HAD to kill millions to establish USA. Netherlands/UK had to kill millions to establish south africa, etc etc... . You are correct. It is the Western world that actually first implemented "genocide", "concentration-camps", "ethnic-cleansing"...etc etc... And now they want to be heroes for the free world? Only a shiptar can fall for such a lie, lol.
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Post by Novus Dis on Dec 26, 2010 22:22:53 GMT -5
Total incompetency and idiocy is socialism. Remember that capitalism, actual capitalism, turned America from Britain's rural backyard to the world's leading industrial nation. And on top of it, America didn't have to kill millions to do so. Kingdom of Yugoslavia was capitalist and it managed to overcome WW1 and become a regional superpower. It comes down to people willing to work for their own survival and enrichment and not out of charity. Socialists believe people can be coerced. They can't. People will lie about what they have, people will call in sick, people will be lazy at work. People won't work. And if doctors are charging too much in Greece then it's because there's not enough doctors in Greece. Basic supply and demand. If the Greek government tried to impose their will on doctors then the doctors will become much more lazy and demand bribes. Also, most doctor appointments wouldn't be made if it wasn't required by law to get a doctor's prescription for certain drugs. Blame your socialist government for that. Greece is full of doctors. It is not so simple. And bribes are a common practice *EVEN IN PRIVATE HOSPITALS*, can you imagine ? And pls, stop calling Greece socialist. Greece is the most capitalist country in Europe. I already said that, you are neither deaf nor blind, are you? Now about USA and capitalism and industrialization, etc.... WITHOUT the need to kill millions, you are seeing this by a completely distorted mirror. UK HAD to kill millions to establish USA. Netherlands/UK had to kill millions to establish south africa, etc etc... Greece isn't capitalist. Look at its deficit, look at the bureaucrats and professional students rioting in the streets. And none of those countries had to commit genocide in order to become industrial powerhouses. They committed genocide to become empires/superpowers and to increase their territory. Completely different reason altogether. Greece is full of doctors. It is not so simple. And bribes are a common practice *EVEN IN PRIVATE HOSPITALS*, can you imagine ? And pls, stop calling Greece socialist. Greece is the most capitalist country in Europe. I already said that, you are neither deaf nor blind, are you? Now about USA and capitalism and industrialization, etc.... WITHOUT the need to kill millions, you are seeing this by a completely distorted mirror. UK HAD to kill millions to establish USA. Netherlands/UK had to kill millions to establish south africa, etc etc... . You are correct. It is the Western world that actually first implemented "genocide", "concentration-camps", "ethnic-cleansing"...etc etc... And now they want to be heroes for the free world? Only a shiptar can fall for such a lie, lol. You can't do anything or hold onto anything without getting your hands dirty. Look at the Shqiptars. They've managed to take 15% of Serbia and 30% of Macedonia by prostituting themselves to the Americans and committing horrible atrocities. What have Serbs gotten in the past several decades for being the most honorable and merciful tribe in the Balkans? Nothing. Less than nothing.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Dec 27, 2010 17:43:38 GMT -5
This thread will eventually end up in Yugoslavia Forum.
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Post by Babylon Enigma on Dec 27, 2010 19:54:14 GMT -5
sorry if i sound like cheering, but tagging Papandreou as a Socialist is smth that will make me laugh for the rest of the day, and its only 05:00 in the morning. That's because you think socialism is actually a movement for the poor by the poor.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 28, 2010 2:39:20 GMT -5
nope, i just think that in Socialism you dont pay 800 euros (black money, without receit, right out of your pocket) to fix your kids' teeth.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Dec 28, 2010 4:22:28 GMT -5
Yugonostalgics You can easily include me in that group youngster since that was a real country and unlike the utter crap that followed after its demise which was obviously orchestrated by outside sources and its agents (Milosevic, Tudjman and Izetbegovic to name some). If it was still in existence (in whatever forum, even as a confederacy) it would have entered EU by mid 1990s easily and it would have had a standard of living just like any western country by now and many of us would have never left the country or would have been typing from one of its cities. Funny how kids today who have no clue about what that country was are quick to judge something the will never know first hand. I did not mean it as an insult & I don't think the term it self is by definition an insult anyway.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Dec 28, 2010 4:29:34 GMT -5
Arsenije Bro, Novi is not a yugonostalgic. On the contrary he believes ex-yu was ultra anti-Serb. I agree with that. I like ex-yu cause Slavs had more value and better lives back then, but it surely was more pro-slo, pro-bos, pro-cro, pro-alb rather than pro-Serb. Tito was a complete English agent.
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