Post by Hellenas on Dec 21, 2010 14:34:29 GMT -5
Turkey:
It cannot be denied that the present-day Turks of Asia Minor have absorbed much of the pre-Turkish population, but that their ancestors came in great numbers from central Asia is equally true.
The Christian population of Turkey, or that remnant of it which has remained unabsorbed, had until recent years always been numerous; it consists mostly of Greeks, many thousands of whom have been sent back to Greek soil.
The modern Turks of Anatolia differ little in most or their metrical characters from peoples whom we have already encountered in central and southeastern Europe.
The western and southern Turks are low brachycephals, the eastern and northern ones high. In the regions of Brussa, Smyrna, and Konia, there is, therefore, an important long-headed minority.
Some dimensions could easily be matched among Yugoslavs or Scopjans.
Even the roundest-headed region has a relatively small head breadth. It is interesting to note that the Greeks of the north shore of Asia Minor have the same head form as the Turks, but to a more exaggerated degree;
The faces of the Osmanli Turks of Anatolia, as well as their head vaults, have dimensions reminiscent of southeastern Europe.
In these dimension the Turks resemble Balkan Mediterraneans and Alpines; their faces are not long enough for exaggerated Dinarics. Like the Greeks and the peoples to the west of the Black Sea, they preserve a forehead-jaw ratio which emphasizes the width of the mandible.
The unexposed skin color of the Turks is mostly brunet-white or swarthy (von Luschan #11-16), the head hair color, in 90 per cent of cases, dark brown.[/b] Black hair, however, is found in less than 5 per cent, and blondism is rare. The ratio of dark brown hair is constant, except in the eastern provinces, where it is nearly 100 per cent. [/i]
On the whole, the Anatolian Turks are prevailingly brunet in pigmentation, but brunet in a condition in which the skin is brunet-white, the hair dark brown, and the eyes brown or dark-mixed.
The virtual absence of black hair, however, the presence of rufosity, and the, high ratio of mixed eyes, when combined with the metrical data, indicate that the principal brunet strain is some form of Alpine.
The associated Dinaric character of a convex nasal profile is found among 58 per cent of the total; the ratio is slightly higher in the north and east than in the west.
On the basis of the metrical and morphological data outlined above, we may dismiss the theory that the Anatolian Turks are in any sense mongoloid. It may be possible to find individuals with some recognizable mongoloid features, but no more frequently than in most countries of Europe. The Anatolian Turks are for the most part Cappadocian Mediterraneans, with a mixture of Alpines in sufficient quantity to produce the Dinaric transformation. Only in Kastamuni, on the shore of the Black Sea, and in the provinces which contain large populations of Armenians and other non-Turks, does the brachycephaly of the Osmanlis reach full Dinaric proportions. In the west and south, there are enough unassimilated dolichocephalic factors left to form a considerable minority.
If the Turks are for the most part Cappadocians Dinaricized through Alpine mixture, this simply means that the zone of reduced Upper Palaeolithic survivors extends into Anatolia; with a result parallel to that experienced throughout the entire Alpine racial zone in Europe. This conclusion would mean that the Turks are not Turks at all, except in speech and tradition, except for one thing: the remnants of the pre-Turkish population are more brachycephalic, more typical members of this Near Eastern Dinaric race than are the Turks themselves. We have already seen that the Asia Minor Greeks are even rounder-headed than the Turks of Kastamuni; The Turks, therefore, while to a large extent descended from the pre-Turkish population, are perceptibly different as a group from its most fully authentic survivors.
In facial features they are not at all mongoloid. If the early Turkish invaders of Asia Minor belonged largely to this type, then the racial position of the modern Osmanlis in reference to that of the previous Anatolians is easily comprehended.
Were thus non-mongoloid whites of a tall, long-faced, high-headed, brunet Mediterranean variety.
The Turks who invaded eastern Russia, on the other hand, belonged rather to the Kirghiz type, which is a Mongol-Turkoman-Nordic mixture.
Data on the Turkish inhabitants of the present southeastern European states are very conflicting. A series of 200 from Fyrom is hyper-Anatolian, with a mean cephalic index of 87, and pigmentation comparable to that of Turks in Asia Minor; another series, presumably from a different part of Fyrom is dolichocephalic, with a mean index of 77.7. Turks in Rumelia, that is southern Bulgaria, and Turks in the Dobruja, have cephalic indices of 82-83, and metrical and morphological features which relate them to the body of Turks in general. Owing to the fact that the Osmanli Turks of the Balkans have preferred emigration rather than assimilation since the disappearance of their European empire, it is unlikely that they have contributed much in a racial sense to populations which are now Christian, or to Moslem groups which are not Turkish in speech.
carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-17.htm
The peninsula of Crimea:
Subsequently Greeks colonized the peninsula in large numbers, and it remained largely Greek until overrun by Goths in 250 A.D.
There are still Greeks in the Crimea, as well as some Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians, Karaite Jews, and, of course, Russians.
carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-10.htm
EUROPEAN GENETIC VARIATION
Geneticist L. L. Cavalli-Sforza has used autosomal DNA to determine and map the five principal components that account for genetic variation in Europe.
Hidden patterns in the geography of Europe shown by the first five principal components, explaining respectively 28%, 22%, 11%, 7%, and 5% of the total genetic variation for 95 classical polymorphisms:
THE FOURTH is strongly reminiscent of Greek colonization in the first millennium B.C.
racialreality.110mb.com/genetic_variation.html
Majority of Anatolian Turks are Greeks racially
(Written by Zetaman re-edited by Hellenas)
According to racial anthropology roughly half of today's Turkish population is in reality turmenized Byzantine-Asia Minor Hellenes(20% in the form of East Mediterranean's, original Hellenes and 35% in form of Dinaricized Mediterraneans, partially Hellenes). Racialy pure Turks are noneexistant but rather mixed Hellenic-Persian-Turkics are around 20% in central Anatolia (Konya region). Turks of Hellenic or partial Hellenic ancestry number around 30 million (or staggering three time the number of Hellenes in Hellas/Greece).
Some about Turkics:
That the Huns came in great numbers cannot be questioned, and that they introduced a completely alien racial type onto European soil is vividly attested by the accounts of numerous contemporary historians, among whom may be mentioned Jordanes, Sidonus, Appolinaris, and Priscus. These authors unanimously describe the Huns as being short, broad shouldered, thick-set, swarthy, flat-nosed, slit-eyed, nearly beardless, and bandy-legged. The Avars are described by some authors as being identical with the Huns, but by others as being less horrible of aspect. According to that Byzantine wit, Jordanes, the Avars defeated the Iranian-speaking Alans, who were the descendants of the Sarmatians, by frightening them with their faces and not by valor.
"Turmenized Persians"
The Mongols were not numerous enough to do all of their conquering alone, and incorporated most of the central Asiatic Turks into their armies. Hence there arose a perplexing welter of Mongolized Turks and Turkicized Mongols, and no doubt of Mongolized as well as Turkicized Iranians.
A. Mediterranid race: Atlanto-Mediterranean or Aegean-Mediterranean or East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Hellas and Turkey).
A Partial Hellenic subrace:Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; an element in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey, important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
G. Turanid race: (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey).
H. Irano-Afghan race: (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey).
More on Turanids:
Turanid SubRace- Europid / Mongolid hybrid = Eastern Caspian Sea --> borders of Mongolia.
Japanese language belongs to Turanian (Ural-Altaic) ones. (Turanian is to Ural-Altaic as Aryan is to Indo-European). Though the word "Turanian" originaly means one of the families of language, it has also started to be used as a racial term especially in Hungary and Japan during the 1920-30's with the racial term "Turanid". Turanian Identity of those days was based on the theory that Turanian peoples had some cultural or racial relationships.
The Manchus are, of course, a Mongolian (Mongolid) people, but probably with some Turanid admixture, and characteristically have relatively aquiline noses.
G. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey).
80% of todays Turkish population are NOT of Turkic origin do to the fact that only 20% are Turanids (proto-Turkic origin).
About BOTH Cyprus and Anatolia, It is already scientifically proven that majority in these two areas are not of Turkic origin but Hellenic one instead.
Majority of Japanese are in actuality fully oriental in race and a small minority is Ainu (appears mix between oriental and some sort of ancient Caucasians).
Turks (original Mongoloids with minor Persian influence) numbered several million (3-4) while the Byzantine (mainly Hellenic and Helleno-Phrygian) population of Anatolia numbered during the time of Justinian empire ~ 10 m That would make the Byzantine population in Anatolia in the next 3 or so centuries after Justinian (~10cen. was when Seljuks penetrated Anatolia) at liest 10m up to 15m (likely say 13m ). Byzantine outnumbered Turks 4-1.
Turanid (mixed Mongol Turks with Mediterranean autochonious people) population today in Turkey doesn't exceed 1/4 of Total. Hellenic racial element is ~ 1/2 of Turkey (Coastal and Western Regions) while Iranian (Primarily Kurds) is 1/4 of the total population.
First lets look at the racial classification of Anatolia
what a beautiful Hellenic name
Hellenic types (do to the complexity of Hellenic history) can contain several different racial types:
-Eastern Mediterranean's (are in effect the Hellenes).
-Dinarized Mediterranean's (are Hellenic-Caucasian/Armenoid racial mix since original Hellenes were of Mediterranid race such as Dorians and Acheans and all other Hellenic tribes).
-Dinarics(a mix of Armenoid-Caucasian/Alpine/Mediterranean, only 1/3 Hellenes, probably late-Illyrians or just Caucasians).
We have 4 major types in Anatolia;
-Eastern Mediterranean
-Dinaricized Mediterranean's
-Irano-Afghans
-Turanids
The last two types are easy to understand as to their origin. Turanid's are descendants original Turkish invaders of Anatolia (mixed Turkics). Irano-Afghan type consists of Persian element (todays Kurds).
Eastern Med.'s are Hellenes and can be found also in Romania (Black sea region), Bulgaria and Aegean Turkey and all of those are areas of Greek settlements.
Dinarized Med.'s can be found in very small numbers in Hellas and more in Turkey. Dinaric element in this type in Turkey is Caucasian or Armenoid(all of whom were thorouhly hellenized by the time of arival of Turkic invaders).
Carleton S. Coon:
"The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important; the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricisrn here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics."
The only source of Eastern Med's in Western Turkey is the same as in Hellas while the same doesn't goes for the Dinarized Med's (which are East-Med's mixed with Caucasians or Armenoids like Med. coast such as western Syria and Lebanon which are racially not only Arabs but also mixed with Helleno-Romans and Caucasians-Armenoids as well as ancient East Med's proto-Hellenes such as Philistines).
"So turkized greeks are a minority. and the eastern mediterranean hmm what is that mediterranean proper. what is the homeland of them. the arabia."
Wrong again, Arabian Mediterranean (which I regard as HARDLY Mediterranean since they originated in southern Arabia and are semi-negroid to minor extent) type is clearly different facially and physically from the eastern Mediterranean and western Mediterranean type and they have different origin although might have common ancestors or what seems to be more likely they may have intermixed with each other (Arabs and Helleno-Romans) in certain Arabic regions (especially Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine, north Egypt, Libya and especially Tunisia).
More facts that Anatolians ARE NOT OF TURKIC ORIGIN:
Curiously the Seljuk Turks, who wrested Anatolia from the Byzantine Empire in the 11th century, have left only a faint genetic signal of their presence, Dr. Underhill said. Though the conquerors imposed their language and culture over a wide region, an army of a mere 40,000 made little genetic difference to a population that had already reached 12 million by Roman times.
An Uigur girl (real semioriental original Turkic look):
Most of today's Turkish-Cypriots are of Hellenic origin:
The Historic Evolution of the Turkish-Cypriot Community and the Cryptochristians:
To understand the historical context of how war came to Cyprus in 1974 we examine the relations between Hellenes and Turks on the island. In this issue we host an article by Mr Savvas P. Mastrappas condensed from the original in Ardin magazine . Ed.
The Turkish-Cypriot community was originally created by mass and mandatory conversions to Islam, or islamizations, of the Hellenic and other Christian populations of Cyprus since the 16th century. Since that time the community has been in close contact with Turkey. However during the last decades the contact has intensified especially through a continuous Turkish propaganda through the educational system, a propaganda which reveals the geostrategic intentions of Turkey against Cyprus.
August 1571 marks the end of Venice's dominion over Cyprus and the beginning of Ottoman rule. Slaughtering and severe pillaging following the Turkish invasion increased the death toll dramatically. In an effort to lift Cyprus out of economic misery, the Sultan commanded during the years 1571-1581 mandatory transfers of people from other parts of the Ottoman Empire to Cyprus. The majority of people that settled in Cyprus at that time were Hellenes, Christian Armenians, Minor Asia inhabitants, Jews and a few Muslim Turks.
The majority of today's Turkish-Cypriot population are Muslims of Hellenic origin. Their conversion occurred in a variety of ways: either in the course of punishments of unsuccessful revolts or following regular mass abductions of children (Paidomazwma); there was also voluntary islamization as a means to avoid the heavy taxation imposed by Moslem authorities on non-believers.
A considerable number of islamized people, however, preserved secretly their former faith and worshipping habits for a long period of time. These secret Christians, or Cryptochristians, were called "Linovamvakoi" in Cyprus since they resemble a cloth with a side of linen (Lino) covered by a side of cotton (Vamvaki) in that they are only able to show one side, one facet, at a time. It is estimated that in the nineteenth century the population of Cryptochristians in Cyprus was 10,000-15,000 Cryptochristians out of a total of 32,000 Muslims.
When the British established sovereignty over Cyprus in 1878, they officially adopted a neutral stance on the matter; in practice, however, their policy was anti-Hellenic and eventually succeeded in converting the Cryptochristians completely: The administration built on earlier efforts by local Turkish religious leaders, or Hodjas, who had tried repeatedly to transplant a Turkish conscience into the minds and hearts of the Cryptochristians by working through the educational system.
The British appointed a Muslim board of education which systematically proposed building Turkish schools in villages with a Cryptochristian majority. These efforts received support from the British, because the British regime had an interest in creating a politically strong and arithmetically big Turkish community that would weaken the demands of the Hellenic majority's right to self-determination.
In the long run the educational policy proved fruitful for the British. After 1923 and the establishment of the New Turks in Ankara, their agents worked with the extremist Turkish-Cypriot groups, with continued backing by the British, to continue a strong propaganda within the Turkish populations and the Cryptochristian villages.
By the time of the Turkish invasion on the island in 1974 the Cryptochristian community had been further alienated, and following the invasion, it has been completely cut off from the Hellenes-Christians in the free part of the island.
Modern Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot historians have argued that the "ancestors of the current Turkish- Cypriots were Turkish or Muslim populations that were brought into Cyprus," however, this has not been proven. This argument is simply an effort to distort historical reality and it is an opinion that was shaped in order to support the expansionist policies and geostrategic intentions of the Turkish state against Cyprus in particular, and Hellenism in general.
"what proof is there that turkish cypriots aren't turks???"
In race, if they were Turkic in origin (same goes for most of Anatolian Turks) they would be of Turanid racial type (which is only 20% of Anatolia) - which means that actual Turkics are ONLY 20% or the population of Turkey! Population of Turkey is 55% of Byzantine Hellenic or partial Hellenic-Armenoid/Caucasian origin and 25% of Iranian origin while 20% is of Turkic origin.
It cannot be denied that the present-day Turks of Asia Minor have absorbed much of the pre-Turkish population, but that their ancestors came in great numbers from central Asia is equally true.
The Christian population of Turkey, or that remnant of it which has remained unabsorbed, had until recent years always been numerous; it consists mostly of Greeks, many thousands of whom have been sent back to Greek soil.
The modern Turks of Anatolia differ little in most or their metrical characters from peoples whom we have already encountered in central and southeastern Europe.
The western and southern Turks are low brachycephals, the eastern and northern ones high. In the regions of Brussa, Smyrna, and Konia, there is, therefore, an important long-headed minority.
Some dimensions could easily be matched among Yugoslavs or Scopjans.
Even the roundest-headed region has a relatively small head breadth. It is interesting to note that the Greeks of the north shore of Asia Minor have the same head form as the Turks, but to a more exaggerated degree;
The faces of the Osmanli Turks of Anatolia, as well as their head vaults, have dimensions reminiscent of southeastern Europe.
In these dimension the Turks resemble Balkan Mediterraneans and Alpines; their faces are not long enough for exaggerated Dinarics. Like the Greeks and the peoples to the west of the Black Sea, they preserve a forehead-jaw ratio which emphasizes the width of the mandible.
The unexposed skin color of the Turks is mostly brunet-white or swarthy (von Luschan #11-16), the head hair color, in 90 per cent of cases, dark brown.[/b] Black hair, however, is found in less than 5 per cent, and blondism is rare. The ratio of dark brown hair is constant, except in the eastern provinces, where it is nearly 100 per cent. [/i]
On the whole, the Anatolian Turks are prevailingly brunet in pigmentation, but brunet in a condition in which the skin is brunet-white, the hair dark brown, and the eyes brown or dark-mixed.
The virtual absence of black hair, however, the presence of rufosity, and the, high ratio of mixed eyes, when combined with the metrical data, indicate that the principal brunet strain is some form of Alpine.
The associated Dinaric character of a convex nasal profile is found among 58 per cent of the total; the ratio is slightly higher in the north and east than in the west.
On the basis of the metrical and morphological data outlined above, we may dismiss the theory that the Anatolian Turks are in any sense mongoloid. It may be possible to find individuals with some recognizable mongoloid features, but no more frequently than in most countries of Europe. The Anatolian Turks are for the most part Cappadocian Mediterraneans, with a mixture of Alpines in sufficient quantity to produce the Dinaric transformation. Only in Kastamuni, on the shore of the Black Sea, and in the provinces which contain large populations of Armenians and other non-Turks, does the brachycephaly of the Osmanlis reach full Dinaric proportions. In the west and south, there are enough unassimilated dolichocephalic factors left to form a considerable minority.
If the Turks are for the most part Cappadocians Dinaricized through Alpine mixture, this simply means that the zone of reduced Upper Palaeolithic survivors extends into Anatolia; with a result parallel to that experienced throughout the entire Alpine racial zone in Europe. This conclusion would mean that the Turks are not Turks at all, except in speech and tradition, except for one thing: the remnants of the pre-Turkish population are more brachycephalic, more typical members of this Near Eastern Dinaric race than are the Turks themselves. We have already seen that the Asia Minor Greeks are even rounder-headed than the Turks of Kastamuni; The Turks, therefore, while to a large extent descended from the pre-Turkish population, are perceptibly different as a group from its most fully authentic survivors.
In facial features they are not at all mongoloid. If the early Turkish invaders of Asia Minor belonged largely to this type, then the racial position of the modern Osmanlis in reference to that of the previous Anatolians is easily comprehended.
Were thus non-mongoloid whites of a tall, long-faced, high-headed, brunet Mediterranean variety.
The Turks who invaded eastern Russia, on the other hand, belonged rather to the Kirghiz type, which is a Mongol-Turkoman-Nordic mixture.
Data on the Turkish inhabitants of the present southeastern European states are very conflicting. A series of 200 from Fyrom is hyper-Anatolian, with a mean cephalic index of 87, and pigmentation comparable to that of Turks in Asia Minor; another series, presumably from a different part of Fyrom is dolichocephalic, with a mean index of 77.7. Turks in Rumelia, that is southern Bulgaria, and Turks in the Dobruja, have cephalic indices of 82-83, and metrical and morphological features which relate them to the body of Turks in general. Owing to the fact that the Osmanli Turks of the Balkans have preferred emigration rather than assimilation since the disappearance of their European empire, it is unlikely that they have contributed much in a racial sense to populations which are now Christian, or to Moslem groups which are not Turkish in speech.
carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-17.htm
The peninsula of Crimea:
Subsequently Greeks colonized the peninsula in large numbers, and it remained largely Greek until overrun by Goths in 250 A.D.
There are still Greeks in the Crimea, as well as some Bulgarians, Germans, Albanians, Karaite Jews, and, of course, Russians.
carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-10.htm
EUROPEAN GENETIC VARIATION
Geneticist L. L. Cavalli-Sforza has used autosomal DNA to determine and map the five principal components that account for genetic variation in Europe.
Hidden patterns in the geography of Europe shown by the first five principal components, explaining respectively 28%, 22%, 11%, 7%, and 5% of the total genetic variation for 95 classical polymorphisms:
THE FOURTH is strongly reminiscent of Greek colonization in the first millennium B.C.
racialreality.110mb.com/genetic_variation.html
Majority of Anatolian Turks are Greeks racially
(Written by Zetaman re-edited by Hellenas)
According to racial anthropology roughly half of today's Turkish population is in reality turmenized Byzantine-Asia Minor Hellenes(20% in the form of East Mediterranean's, original Hellenes and 35% in form of Dinaricized Mediterraneans, partially Hellenes). Racialy pure Turks are noneexistant but rather mixed Hellenic-Persian-Turkics are around 20% in central Anatolia (Konya region). Turks of Hellenic or partial Hellenic ancestry number around 30 million (or staggering three time the number of Hellenes in Hellas/Greece).
Some about Turkics:
That the Huns came in great numbers cannot be questioned, and that they introduced a completely alien racial type onto European soil is vividly attested by the accounts of numerous contemporary historians, among whom may be mentioned Jordanes, Sidonus, Appolinaris, and Priscus. These authors unanimously describe the Huns as being short, broad shouldered, thick-set, swarthy, flat-nosed, slit-eyed, nearly beardless, and bandy-legged. The Avars are described by some authors as being identical with the Huns, but by others as being less horrible of aspect. According to that Byzantine wit, Jordanes, the Avars defeated the Iranian-speaking Alans, who were the descendants of the Sarmatians, by frightening them with their faces and not by valor.
"Turmenized Persians"
The Mongols were not numerous enough to do all of their conquering alone, and incorporated most of the central Asiatic Turks into their armies. Hence there arose a perplexing welter of Mongolized Turks and Turkicized Mongols, and no doubt of Mongolized as well as Turkicized Iranians.
A. Mediterranid race: Atlanto-Mediterranean or Aegean-Mediterranean or East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Hellas and Turkey).
A Partial Hellenic subrace:Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; an element in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey, important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)
G. Turanid race: (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey).
H. Irano-Afghan race: (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey).
More on Turanids:
Turanid SubRace- Europid / Mongolid hybrid = Eastern Caspian Sea --> borders of Mongolia.
Japanese language belongs to Turanian (Ural-Altaic) ones. (Turanian is to Ural-Altaic as Aryan is to Indo-European). Though the word "Turanian" originaly means one of the families of language, it has also started to be used as a racial term especially in Hungary and Japan during the 1920-30's with the racial term "Turanid". Turanian Identity of those days was based on the theory that Turanian peoples had some cultural or racial relationships.
The Manchus are, of course, a Mongolian (Mongolid) people, but probably with some Turanid admixture, and characteristically have relatively aquiline noses.
G. Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey).
80% of todays Turkish population are NOT of Turkic origin do to the fact that only 20% are Turanids (proto-Turkic origin).
About BOTH Cyprus and Anatolia, It is already scientifically proven that majority in these two areas are not of Turkic origin but Hellenic one instead.
Majority of Japanese are in actuality fully oriental in race and a small minority is Ainu (appears mix between oriental and some sort of ancient Caucasians).
Turks (original Mongoloids with minor Persian influence) numbered several million (3-4) while the Byzantine (mainly Hellenic and Helleno-Phrygian) population of Anatolia numbered during the time of Justinian empire ~ 10 m That would make the Byzantine population in Anatolia in the next 3 or so centuries after Justinian (~10cen. was when Seljuks penetrated Anatolia) at liest 10m up to 15m (likely say 13m ). Byzantine outnumbered Turks 4-1.
Turanid (mixed Mongol Turks with Mediterranean autochonious people) population today in Turkey doesn't exceed 1/4 of Total. Hellenic racial element is ~ 1/2 of Turkey (Coastal and Western Regions) while Iranian (Primarily Kurds) is 1/4 of the total population.
First lets look at the racial classification of Anatolia
what a beautiful Hellenic name
Hellenic types (do to the complexity of Hellenic history) can contain several different racial types:
-Eastern Mediterranean's (are in effect the Hellenes).
-Dinarized Mediterranean's (are Hellenic-Caucasian/Armenoid racial mix since original Hellenes were of Mediterranid race such as Dorians and Acheans and all other Hellenic tribes).
-Dinarics(a mix of Armenoid-Caucasian/Alpine/Mediterranean, only 1/3 Hellenes, probably late-Illyrians or just Caucasians).
We have 4 major types in Anatolia;
-Eastern Mediterranean
-Dinaricized Mediterranean's
-Irano-Afghans
-Turanids
The last two types are easy to understand as to their origin. Turanid's are descendants original Turkish invaders of Anatolia (mixed Turkics). Irano-Afghan type consists of Persian element (todays Kurds).
Eastern Med.'s are Hellenes and can be found also in Romania (Black sea region), Bulgaria and Aegean Turkey and all of those are areas of Greek settlements.
Dinarized Med.'s can be found in very small numbers in Hellas and more in Turkey. Dinaric element in this type in Turkey is Caucasian or Armenoid(all of whom were thorouhly hellenized by the time of arival of Turkic invaders).
Carleton S. Coon:
"The Greeks, in short, are a blend of racial types, of which two are most important; the Atlanto-Mediterranean and the Alpine. Dinaricisrn here is present, but not all pervading; true Alpines are commoner than complete Dinarics."
The only source of Eastern Med's in Western Turkey is the same as in Hellas while the same doesn't goes for the Dinarized Med's (which are East-Med's mixed with Caucasians or Armenoids like Med. coast such as western Syria and Lebanon which are racially not only Arabs but also mixed with Helleno-Romans and Caucasians-Armenoids as well as ancient East Med's proto-Hellenes such as Philistines).
"So turkized greeks are a minority. and the eastern mediterranean hmm what is that mediterranean proper. what is the homeland of them. the arabia."
Wrong again, Arabian Mediterranean (which I regard as HARDLY Mediterranean since they originated in southern Arabia and are semi-negroid to minor extent) type is clearly different facially and physically from the eastern Mediterranean and western Mediterranean type and they have different origin although might have common ancestors or what seems to be more likely they may have intermixed with each other (Arabs and Helleno-Romans) in certain Arabic regions (especially Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Palestine, north Egypt, Libya and especially Tunisia).
More facts that Anatolians ARE NOT OF TURKIC ORIGIN:
Curiously the Seljuk Turks, who wrested Anatolia from the Byzantine Empire in the 11th century, have left only a faint genetic signal of their presence, Dr. Underhill said. Though the conquerors imposed their language and culture over a wide region, an army of a mere 40,000 made little genetic difference to a population that had already reached 12 million by Roman times.
An Uigur girl (real semioriental original Turkic look):
Most of today's Turkish-Cypriots are of Hellenic origin:
The Historic Evolution of the Turkish-Cypriot Community and the Cryptochristians:
To understand the historical context of how war came to Cyprus in 1974 we examine the relations between Hellenes and Turks on the island. In this issue we host an article by Mr Savvas P. Mastrappas condensed from the original in Ardin magazine . Ed.
The Turkish-Cypriot community was originally created by mass and mandatory conversions to Islam, or islamizations, of the Hellenic and other Christian populations of Cyprus since the 16th century. Since that time the community has been in close contact with Turkey. However during the last decades the contact has intensified especially through a continuous Turkish propaganda through the educational system, a propaganda which reveals the geostrategic intentions of Turkey against Cyprus.
August 1571 marks the end of Venice's dominion over Cyprus and the beginning of Ottoman rule. Slaughtering and severe pillaging following the Turkish invasion increased the death toll dramatically. In an effort to lift Cyprus out of economic misery, the Sultan commanded during the years 1571-1581 mandatory transfers of people from other parts of the Ottoman Empire to Cyprus. The majority of people that settled in Cyprus at that time were Hellenes, Christian Armenians, Minor Asia inhabitants, Jews and a few Muslim Turks.
The majority of today's Turkish-Cypriot population are Muslims of Hellenic origin. Their conversion occurred in a variety of ways: either in the course of punishments of unsuccessful revolts or following regular mass abductions of children (Paidomazwma); there was also voluntary islamization as a means to avoid the heavy taxation imposed by Moslem authorities on non-believers.
A considerable number of islamized people, however, preserved secretly their former faith and worshipping habits for a long period of time. These secret Christians, or Cryptochristians, were called "Linovamvakoi" in Cyprus since they resemble a cloth with a side of linen (Lino) covered by a side of cotton (Vamvaki) in that they are only able to show one side, one facet, at a time. It is estimated that in the nineteenth century the population of Cryptochristians in Cyprus was 10,000-15,000 Cryptochristians out of a total of 32,000 Muslims.
When the British established sovereignty over Cyprus in 1878, they officially adopted a neutral stance on the matter; in practice, however, their policy was anti-Hellenic and eventually succeeded in converting the Cryptochristians completely: The administration built on earlier efforts by local Turkish religious leaders, or Hodjas, who had tried repeatedly to transplant a Turkish conscience into the minds and hearts of the Cryptochristians by working through the educational system.
The British appointed a Muslim board of education which systematically proposed building Turkish schools in villages with a Cryptochristian majority. These efforts received support from the British, because the British regime had an interest in creating a politically strong and arithmetically big Turkish community that would weaken the demands of the Hellenic majority's right to self-determination.
In the long run the educational policy proved fruitful for the British. After 1923 and the establishment of the New Turks in Ankara, their agents worked with the extremist Turkish-Cypriot groups, with continued backing by the British, to continue a strong propaganda within the Turkish populations and the Cryptochristian villages.
By the time of the Turkish invasion on the island in 1974 the Cryptochristian community had been further alienated, and following the invasion, it has been completely cut off from the Hellenes-Christians in the free part of the island.
Modern Turkish and Turkish-Cypriot historians have argued that the "ancestors of the current Turkish- Cypriots were Turkish or Muslim populations that were brought into Cyprus," however, this has not been proven. This argument is simply an effort to distort historical reality and it is an opinion that was shaped in order to support the expansionist policies and geostrategic intentions of the Turkish state against Cyprus in particular, and Hellenism in general.
"what proof is there that turkish cypriots aren't turks???"
In race, if they were Turkic in origin (same goes for most of Anatolian Turks) they would be of Turanid racial type (which is only 20% of Anatolia) - which means that actual Turkics are ONLY 20% or the population of Turkey! Population of Turkey is 55% of Byzantine Hellenic or partial Hellenic-Armenoid/Caucasian origin and 25% of Iranian origin while 20% is of Turkic origin.