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Post by ulf on Jan 11, 2011 13:28:35 GMT -5
I normally go to a Serbian church here in Chicago, where majority of the parish diaspora are Bosnian and Krajina Serbs with a bit of Serbians a far less CG Serbs. Anyways, I'm 6'2 and I can tell you I'm below avg when I walk into that cathedral! These Serb men are very tall and I'd go as far as placing their avg height at 6'3. Last Friday I was at work and couldn't drive off to the church I normally attend, so instead I attended for the first time here a Macedonian church not too far away. Okay, I was like the tallest (others there as well my height), but overall these macedonians were very short, fat (women especially and young) and have absolutely no manners in church. It's the typical thing I've seen in any Macedonian church I've been to here in the U.S. My point, there is nothing Serbian about Macedonians as a whole!!! From physical to behavior (w/out opening their mouths) there is NO Serbian character, other than us who're up in the northern part. The Bulgarians I've seen here look much much closer to Serbians than the latter. Hi Ljubo, still waiting for that info i told you. (i haven't forgotten). Now regarding Bosnian/Krajna Serbs, you can find many huge among them, but i still believe that Croats from Posavina and Serbs/Muslims/Croats from Hercegovina and Serbs from Crna Gora are even taller and/or blonder than them. I have been in muslim super markets in Brcko (e.g. Bingo) , and the people are blonde and huge. I have been in strict Serbian super markets in Brcko (e.g. Tropic, renamed as Maxi, then renamed again...), and the people are darker and shorter (but many are very tall, but still not on par with the muslims on average). Now Sumadija, south Serbia, even Vojvodina is another story. In Novi Sad you see a lot of normal people, but then you enter a public closed place like the police station, and they are many ppl above 200cm. In Nis you find a lot of dark people, a lot of medium sized people, but then you will see a giant above 210cm, but nothing like BiH/CG. In Bulgaria (Sofia) first time a got the impression they are of Serbian size (Srbianci), the second time they seemed almost of greek type. In greece (athens) the average height is rather high (i think somewhere in 180cm-185cm) but also the standard deviation is small, so you dont see many people above 195. But also its about nutrition. Greeks before 50 years were 10-20 cm shorter. Now talking about USA i think people born there, look just like normal americans. Just judging from the greeks there. Very interesting what you said about manners-discipline inside the church. Very very interesting staff. Greeks are the same. Almost 100% with what you describe. (and albanians act the same, or even worse than that). However i still believe you (Makedonians) are just better in your souls/music/kindness. (and i can only attribute that to some Slavic (Serbian-Bulgarian) genes), because if you were 100% Vlahs/Thracians you would resemble Greeks (Vlahs) even more. PS To avoid any misinterpretations, when i say Greeks in the above context, i mean people from mainland Greece, not Cretans/Cypriots (who are both purest Greeks and much better in manners/civilization/language/etc... and who never spoke a vlah or albanian word in their life) As for Belgrade, I'd say you can see some pretty short people as well as some tall, but on average people stand somewhere between 180-185 cm, and as for younger generations even I would say its considered normal even up to 193 cm. In Vojvodina(at least in places I've visited few times, which places such as Pancevo, Vrsac, Ruma, Sremska Mitrovica) were shorter people indeed, but there aren't so many really short people like you can find in Belgrade, most of them appear pretty central European in both terms of height and appearance, and of course there are less number of tall people. That's probably same for Slovenia, mainland Croatia as well as some parts of Bosnia
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Post by rusebg on Jan 11, 2011 17:13:46 GMT -5
And can you give us some explanation what those names mean? May be Gotovos comes from the word gotovo which means it's done or ready but I don't see this as a proper surname. Anyway, what do the rest of the names mean? Ah, probably Terovitsa is the woman of our former member Terro, right? ;D
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Jan 11, 2011 22:49:50 GMT -5
However i still believe you (Makedonians) are just better in your souls/music/kindness. (and i can only attribute that to some Slavic (Serbian-Bulgarian) genes) Weren't you going on about how your ridiculous theories are not genetic but purely cultural? There are cultural genes now? Flip-flop, flip-flop.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 3:39:35 GMT -5
However i still believe you (Makedonians) are just better in your souls/music/kindness. (and i can only attribute that to some Slavic (Serbian-Bulgarian) genes) Weren't you going on about how your ridiculous theories are not genetic but purely cultural? There are cultural genes now? Flip-flop, flip-flop. its the same thing stupid.
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Jan 12, 2011 3:42:59 GMT -5
No, dips**t. You continuously use terms like "genes", "soul" (lol), "culture", sometimes interchangeably, sometimes in a different sense, and also continuously forget what you've written before so you end up being wildly inconsistent (much of it seems to have to do with your mood swings). I'm sure whatever you write makes sense in your mind, though.
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 3:46:52 GMT -5
And can you give us some explanation what those names mean? May be Gotovos comes from the word gotovo which means it's done or ready but I don't see this as a proper surname. Anyway, what do the rest of the names mean? Ah, probably Terovitsa is the woman of our former member Terro, right? ;D Bozikis - Bozic (obvious meaning) Abdikos-Abdic (thats a muslim one. Check out the known Bosnian hero Fikret Abdic) Dogoritis (Do gore) Gotovos (you guess right) and yes it is a known surname, www.greekbooks.gr/gotovos-e-athanasios.person (you little eternal Thomas you!!) Strelitsas (Strelic) (obvious meaning) Decikas (Decic) (obvious meaning, ask some western bulgarian to inform you) Sundris (Sundric) (found in peloponese and Bosnia) Babitsas (Babic) (obvious meaning) (found in Thessaly and Serbia/BiH/HR) Terovitsas (Terovic) (maybe from Terovo) (this surname is found in muslims in Bosnia) satisfied idiot?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 3:49:36 GMT -5
No, dips**t. You continuously use terms like "genes", "soul" (lol), "culture", sometimes interchangeably, sometimes in a different sense, and also continuously forget what you've written before so you end up being wildly inconsistent (much of it seems to have to do with your mood swings). I'm sure whatever you write makes sense in your mind, though. give it a second thought stupid. its the same thing.
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Post by roflcopterlanding on Jan 12, 2011 3:58:24 GMT -5
give it a second thought stupid. its the same thing. No thanks, your "soul"-"genes"-"culture" theory hasn't been presented in its final form yet, considering your myriad changes of turn, so I'll just think of it as one more representation of your madness.
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 6:00:17 GMT -5
bahhahaha this thread is truly comical
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Post by ioan on Jan 12, 2011 6:21:19 GMT -5
Bozikis - Bozic (obvious meaning) or it could come from bozya/bozaya (to suck milk) abdikiram (Blg) - to abdicate. its the same in bulgarian, but we have gora (forrest). do gora means next to a forest. Here we have the bulgarian "ts" I dont know how it turns into the Serbian "ch". Strelitsa means small arrow in Bulgarian. There is very famous bulgarian female name Desi or Desislava. The root of the word is not Bulgarian or Slavic. Baba means grandmother in Bulgarian. That is also not Bulgarian. As a whole all (minus the last one) of the so called "classic" serbian toponyms can be described also as simple bulgarian (as always).
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 12, 2011 6:51:06 GMT -5
Bozikis is an arvanitic surname, and its recorded among the Arvanites Stradioti in 15th century. If it is slavic in origin is another issue, the fact is that is used by arvanites.
Dogoritis, very slavic suffix... how many slavs do you know with surnames ending in -itis...
Soundris...?
and whats the point of finding 5-10...100 surnames with slavic origin? the majority of Greeks' surnames are of greek origin... the number of those who bear the surname Papadopoulos is much more from the Terovitsas, Detsikas, and Babitsas etc all together...
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 7:00:26 GMT -5
This "arvanitic" argument is classic and always priceless! Bozic is Christmas in Serbian buddy... Your other argument about Dogoritis, shows plain stupidity. Did i say that any of the suffixes are slavic? What kind of an idiot are you, ore malako-minara? ;D What i said is that ALL those names are directly derived from ex-SERBIAN (and or Bosnian-like) surnames/names. Is that hard for your damaged brain to grasp?
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 7:02:42 GMT -5
That is also not Bulgarian. As the rest of what i posted. I agree. idiot.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 12, 2011 7:07:35 GMT -5
This "arvanitic" argument is classic and always priceless! Bozic is Christmas in Serbian buddy... Your other argument about Dogoritis, shows plain stupidity. Did i say that any of the suffixes are slavic? What kind of an idiot are you, ore malako-minara? ;D What i said is that ALL those names are directly derived from ex-SERBIAN (and or Bosnian-like) surnames/names. Is that hard for your damaged brain to grasp? idiot so many Greeks are Bosnakcovics-Herzegovinanskovics...? I thought you theory was that we just were Latin speakers(with some Serb greek speaking minority among us... ;D ;D) after Greece's Slavs migrated to Bosna and Serbia... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by terroreign on Jan 12, 2011 7:25:04 GMT -5
Bozikis is an arvanitic surname, and its recorded among the Arvanites Stradioti in 15th century. If it is slavic in origin is another issue, the fact is that is used by arvanites. Dogoritis, very slavic suffix... how many slavs do you know with surnames ending in -itis... Soundris...? and whats the point of finding 5-10...100 surnames with slavic origin? the majority of Greeks' surnames are of greek origin... the number of those who bear the surname Papadopoulos is much more from the Terovitsas, Detsikas, and Babitsas etc all together... Bozikis is for sure slavic, like 100%, Boze is vocative for Bog, meaning God It's recently been proven Albanians have more Slavic DNA than the Serbs, so this sort of thing is natural i guess.
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 12, 2011 8:09:30 GMT -5
Bozikis is an arvanitic surname, and its recorded among the Arvanites Stradioti in 15th century. If it is slavic in origin is another issue, the fact is that is used by arvanites. Dogoritis, very slavic suffix... how many slavs do you know with surnames ending in -itis... Soundris...? and whats the point of finding 5-10...100 surnames with slavic origin? the majority of Greeks' surnames are of greek origin... the number of those who bear the surname Papadopoulos is much more from the Terovitsas, Detsikas, and Babitsas etc all together... Bozikis is for sure slavic, like 100%, Boze is vocative for Bog, meaning God It's recently been proven Albanians have more Slavic DNA than the Serbs, so this sort of thing is natural i guess. I don't doubt. Many Arvanites brought with them slavic surnames, like Varibobis, Zelis, Bratis, Kandrevas etc
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Post by Kralj Vatra on Jan 12, 2011 10:06:13 GMT -5
Bozikis is an arvanitic surname, and its recorded among the Arvanites Stradioti in 15th century. If it is slavic in origin is another issue, the fact is that is used by arvanites. Dogoritis, very slavic suffix... how many slavs do you know with surnames ending in -itis... Soundris...? and whats the point of finding 5-10...100 surnames with slavic origin? the majority of Greeks' surnames are of greek origin... the number of those who bear the surname Papadopoulos is much more from the Terovitsas, Detsikas, and Babitsas etc all together... Bozikis is for sure slavic, like 100%, Boze is vocative for Bog, meaning God It's recently been proven Albanians have more Slavic DNA than the Serbs, so this sort of thing is natural i guess. You know, its not unusual for me to walk around in my town (when i go there), or elsewhere in Greece and discover Serbian surnames or Serbian toponyms (my town is literally *full* of them), but what i consider a great success of the late 2 weeks or so is 1) the deciphering of "Kamena Vourla" hot springs in Roumeli 2) the deciphering of surname ABDIKOS!!! when i linked it (spontaneously) with Fikret Abdic, i almost knocked my self down!!!! My wife could not believe i reached such height of spiritual plane! Must have been the meteora experience (where i saw the writing of our Great King Stefan Dusan) LOL!!!!
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Post by ivo on Jan 12, 2011 10:13:41 GMT -5
OUR!? Bro, you're a Greek with an identity crisis. You ain't a Serb.
It's so ironic that a confused Arvanite Greek would assert a Serbian ruler with substantial Bulgarian blood in him as his "own".
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Post by Patrinos on Jan 12, 2011 10:23:27 GMT -5
1) the deciphering of "Kamena Vourla" hot springs in Roumeli Ore vourlo... don't you understand what "Kamena Vourla" means in Greek?
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Post by ulf on Jan 12, 2011 11:34:27 GMT -5
Why do you guys have to make mockery out of every thread which somehow includes topology and similar stuff that aren't certain and probably never will be certain?
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