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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 15, 2011 12:29:49 GMT -5
Muhtesem Yuzyil means the Magnificent Century (100 years literally) The girl on the very right is to become Hurrem Sultan the most powerful mother of a sultan ever, she is portratyed as a poor country girl taken into the Harem and the n Sultan Suleyman the Magnificent falls in Love with her, his first "baby mama" or the first one he married goes nuts and tries to kill her, there is emotional scenes where she becomes muslim, but at the same time she looks at her cross with desire. If you find the subbed version and don't take it too seriously you can have some fun.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Feb 15, 2011 12:32:16 GMT -5
Its a good show I enjoyed watching it when i was in Turkey, but I missed a few since I came back to the UK, I find it quite funny. They had to remove 23 scenes from the Tv show or it was getting banned!! I wonder what those scenes were :s
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 15, 2011 16:13:50 GMT -5
actually the point of view of the historian who was the shaper of the documentary's main points, Thanos Veremis,is to portray, following the meta-modern school of history where all people were always happy until the rise of nationalisms 2 centuries ago..., that the Greeks(and generally the giaours of the empire) and Ottomans were very happy and lived an amazing life with new built bridges, hamam, xhami, roards, schools(... )... and the population grew in the first centuries just because the Sultan was a very good man and respected all religions and ethnicities etc etc and other malakies... So that is Veremis huh. He's the guy Tragas talks about in the morning. It the american political correctness BS that is starting to appear in our country. Another fuking liberal, God help us all....
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Post by chalkedon on Feb 15, 2011 16:25:37 GMT -5
Filara, to na meletas ton eauto sou (mou, tou, mas, etc...) den einai ethniki prodosia. Ethniki prodosia einai h emmoni sto psema kai sthn metriothta. Giasou re Pyrro !
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Post by rex362 on Feb 18, 2011 17:11:52 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Feb 18, 2011 17:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Feb 19, 2011 10:10:28 GMT -5
Canaris said ....
you just keep watching ....
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 19, 2011 15:31:51 GMT -5
No matter..... your forefathers killed Greeks...... with absolutely no provocation... the rest doesn't interest me...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2011 10:49:09 GMT -5
canaris said:
I/we been saying that for 9 years here ...but not just after but during
btw ....the ones that had the arms started the organization ....
and who had the arms?..... only the armatoles/palikaris/klephtes that were allowed by Ali Pasha to carry arms ..(his agents and known Arvanitis groups/clans
they started the parade then others with special lights and lanterns joined parade made it larger ...
keep watching
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 21, 2011 11:05:25 GMT -5
Yes... but most of them were Greeks.... according to the documentary the word 'Albanian' is used in a derogatory way... it is equated as one with the enemy.... Arvaniti on the other hand is used in a more positive way... YOU and YOUR kind don't have a bone in this.. sorry, but let's call a spade for what it is...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2011 11:16:28 GMT -5
they are giving it to you in a subtle way
imo ...by the time this well done docu-series is done most of Greek citizens today will understand how muliti ethnic Greece was back then
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 21, 2011 11:27:58 GMT -5
Listen,we don't care about the multi ethnic ... we accept who we are..We know god damn well we are no Iceland( which claims to be the purest) we got no problem with it..... The Roman and Byzantine empires were not pure either and America is not either... You can stay in your part of the world and do what you want.
Yes we accept a few Arvanites were helping us... we also accept the fact that the great powers liberated Greece...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2011 12:22:09 GMT -5
better said is others jumped in the Arvanitis cause ....(Bandwagon jumpers)
to the Arvanitis is was strictly an Arvantis revolution ...then it became what it became
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 21, 2011 12:33:57 GMT -5
Thats you story and you can work all the angles .... We don't care.
Since we regard Arvanites as Greeks... it makes no difference to us.
If they were Albanian they would be called so...
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2011 12:47:32 GMT -5
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2011 12:58:31 GMT -5
lets not get off topic ,but just one more on this and back to the documentary yes your right but if we go back in time its much much differ what you call them and what they have become is basically bcs through assimilation .... listen here for a tidbit: we have recent Albanian Immigrants that entered into Greece for work. when asked where they were from they would say "Vorio Iperos" just to be in favor of getting that job and for acceptance ......you had so many of them all across Greece saying I'm from Vorio Iperus that karta now is like he is many faked it for a while ..many still do ...let alone intermarriage like vlachs of Greece for example ....vlaho becomes a derogatory term and they even stop admitting they are ethnic Vlachs ,even to their own children how many Vlahos we have here on forum ...we have had em ..you see em saying they are vlahs ...or their head up high about it ? no but you do see em saying they are vlahs in Albanian and in Macedonia with no problems whatsoever .... Greece likes to say that all is well and all is Greek within ..but not the case and in my book its almost a type of ethno-genocide on a people
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 21, 2011 13:57:05 GMT -5
It's not usual for any civilized country in the world to try to absorb immigrants... or anyone trying to go there and make a new life.When I talk with Canadians they don't like to here about old alliances and tribes,same thing goes for Americans... Why should Greece keep Albanians Vlachs Serb's old customs alive? To create problems down the road? One for all and all for one... you heard that before... Now get serious why would anyone care about the Arvaniti dialect...the Latin one was killed off as well as so many others..they would only add to the circle of confusion... The language of the land is Greek.... The French of Quebec made English a second class language here... and you're joking about Arvanitika.
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Post by rex362 on Feb 21, 2011 14:06:05 GMT -5
I dont know ...I get goosebumps when I see a Polish ,Irish,Greek Puerto Rican ,Albanian,Italian day parade here in USA bcs ....THATS AMERICA ....land of democracy btw you know Thessaly was named -Megali Vlachia- and Aitolokarnania as Little Vlachia by other greeks do they still use this term
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Post by Kanaris on Feb 21, 2011 14:39:37 GMT -5
Do Americans pay for you to send your kids to albanian schools?Do they keep Italian,greek,german etc alive? No,it's in the peoples hands to do so... No one will stop an albanian from paying a private tutor to teach his kids Albanian.Thessaly is it's name from thousands of years... you want us to change to suit the Vlachs? The Vlachs have accepted who they are..and there is Greek. In 1821... we shaped a country to be of one language ,ethnos... and conscience.Anyone trying to do anything else is an enemy of the state.
My brothers exwife's nickname was called 'vlacha'... and her father Vlachaki... I asked my dad why is it.. he tells me it's because they came from some place in Northern Greece.. he wasn't even aware... When I brought this up to her dad.. he looked at me with piecing eyes.. and sort of told me to shut up... he got really offended that I would be inclined to say he is a vlach... Personally he didn't even know himself....
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Post by socio on Feb 21, 2011 14:52:25 GMT -5
... The language of the land is Greek.... The French of Quebec made English a second class language here... and you're joking about Arvanitika. Bull-s**t ... and out of context ... There was never one language of the land, and never will be ... Arvanitika will haunt you until it gets the respect and recognition it deserves .. If the French of Quebec have made English a second class language ... so will the Arvanites have their own Quebec ... How long do you think you can surpress a people's values ... ? Never before so much as today Arvanites have been digging for those values ... never before so much as today they want to be distinguished by those values ... values that make them unique, that make them different from you ... Why do you think this is happening much more now Karkaris ... the project hasn't worked out well ... is it falling apart ?
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