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Post by ulf on Feb 9, 2011 19:53:07 GMT -5
I naravno da nije iskreno ovo sto ti predstavljas. Nedostaju ti Srbi iz drugih krajeva da bi uradio dobru analizu, a sa druge strane ovi ljudi sto imaju te vec spomenute svetlije crte mozda imaju drugaciji oblik ociju
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Post by terroreign on Feb 9, 2011 21:27:57 GMT -5
ma bas me briga, ili ovo prihvatis ili ne nisam ovdje da peglam o nesporazumima s osobama koje ne vide dalje od nosa. budi mi dobro
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 9, 2011 23:39:03 GMT -5
Ulf, sigurno malo glumis ovdje. Vise puta pokusavas da devalviras Hercegovci/Crnogorci... ali da znas imalo istorije znao bi da prvobitni Srbi na Balkanu poticu jedino iz tog dijela. Inace to je mesto dje se traze prave istine.
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Post by ulf on Feb 10, 2011 5:37:35 GMT -5
Arsenije ne glumim ja nista. Zar ne vidis da je covek umislio da su svi Srbi dosli iz Crne Gore i Hercegovine, sto nije istina? I nisam ja nijednom negirao Crnogorce i Hercegovce, samo sam rekao da nisu to jedini Srbi. Takodje u Srbiji osim Crnogoraca i Hecegovaca imas i Srbe doseljenike iz drugih krajeva Balkana, pored stanovnistva koje tu zivi duze vreme.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 10, 2011 7:52:06 GMT -5
^Nucleus of the Balkan Serbs Vise od pola stanovnika Beograda i Vojvodine vuku korijene iz CG/Her/Krajina. Mozda nijesi krocio van svog sela sta znam ama to ti svako dijete zna burazeru
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 10, 2011 8:11:36 GMT -5
To Krivo. Arsenije ne glumim ja nista. Zar ne vidis da je covek umislio da su svi Srbi dosli iz Crne Gore i Hercegovine, sto nije istina? Nije to on umislio nego je cist fakat. Samo mozda je bolje receno Raska jer to je ranije bilo danasnja Hercegovina/Crna Gora. Kako bi se reklo na Engleski, to je Srpska Istorija 101. Takodje smo zivjeli/vladali druge dijelove od Dalmacije do juzne Makedonije ali ta Raska je odakle se sve potice.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 10, 2011 9:03:59 GMT -5
Scepanovic - Montenegro (Brda) Zeljko Joksimovic - Montenegro (Brda) Peja Stojakovic - Srpska Krajina Nikola Pekovic - Montenegro (Brda) Andrija Draskovic - Montenegro (Old Hercegovina) Marko Lopusina - Montenegro (Old Hercegovina) Mateja Kezman Ivan Fatic - Montenegro (Brda) Marko Basa - Montenegro (Old Montenegro) Slaven Stjepanovic and Marko Cetkovic - Montenegro (Old Montenegro) Davor Brnovic - Montenegro Sasa Ivanovic - Montenegro Vladimir Boljevic - Montenegro (Old Montenegro) Igor Lambulic - Montenegro Milos Rasovic - Montenegro (Brda) Zarko Korac - Montenegro (Old Montenegro)
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Post by oszkarthehun on Feb 11, 2011 5:43:15 GMT -5
Just another idea, what about Avar influences.
I read that Avars were in Pannonia for around 200 years untill they eventually assimilated into southern Slavs.
But maybe Avars assimilated more into Croats. I have even wondered if there is any connection between the words Avar and Hrvat.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 11, 2011 23:33:42 GMT -5
Definitely a possibility oszkar, definitely worth considering.
Although...we're talking just about Serbs here (Srb and Hrvat more likely have a connection)
You might already know, genetic testing showed about 14% of the Croatian island of Hvar possessing the P haplogroup, which traces its origin to central Asia...undoubtedly of Gokturk origin.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Feb 11, 2011 23:50:53 GMT -5
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Post by terroreign on Feb 12, 2011 17:22:58 GMT -5
Arso you notice some of those Croats/Slovenians look to have a Turanid/Mongloid influence (cheekbones, skull shape)? While none of the Serbs do...
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Post by ulf on Feb 12, 2011 18:29:40 GMT -5
I've noticed that only Stipe Mesic has kind of gypsy features, but not turanid/mongoloid
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Post by terroreign on Feb 12, 2011 18:48:44 GMT -5
This dude, and the Hrvat above him, got a Mongoloid thing goin' on
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Post by ulf on Feb 12, 2011 18:51:45 GMT -5
He looks more like German to me then anything else. Germans usually has such eyes
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 12, 2011 19:24:26 GMT -5
I certainly don't regard such eyes as eyes many Germans (certainly not many southern Germans) have but more Lappoid (associated with north Scandinavia and eastern Europe) or Mongoloid influence. Slavs are neo-danubians or a fused danubian-lappoid (ladogan) blend so Slavs could have easily introduced these lappoids types across eastern half of Europe (round mongoloid-like face often accompanies then).
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Post by terroreign on Feb 12, 2011 19:38:45 GMT -5
Unlike the Njemac you posted above, this man has wider cheekbones, and different shape of the skull, common in Ukraine. Of Mongoloid extraction. The eyes, due to lacking epicanthic folds, are likely to be of non-Mongoloid origin on the other hand. Also, German tribes were recorded to have settled in Sarmatian lands (See: Goths), so it's not a surprise a few have more Eurasian/Sarmatian eyes. Lapp origin is unsure...it's possible they descend from central asia (Ural-Altaic language family), however it's possible they've just lived so long isolated in a rough environment that their eyes naturally developed to shield themselves from glare from ice/snow, severe cold, and blizzard conditions.
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Post by ulf on Feb 12, 2011 20:00:15 GMT -5
I dont know man, the German guy is really blond, thats what I believe to be clearly Germanic feature, and he looks pretty much Dalofaelid + minor Baltid. His eyeshape is what many Germanics folks have.
Croat guy doesn't have Baltidish features, I guess its more Dinaric/Noric/Pontid traits he has, but he clearly has Cromagnid features. Can't see Lappoid
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Post by ulf on Feb 12, 2011 20:03:01 GMT -5
By the way you got one thing right here, Oliver Kahn's, the German guy here, ancestors are from old Prussian part what is now Poland, so he probably has Gothic blood or Teutonic. At least thats what I heard
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 12, 2011 20:27:53 GMT -5
The eyes, due to lacking epicanthic folds, are likely to be of non-Mongoloid origin on the other hand. Or that is either secondary mongoloid eye shape and or eye shape that is a mongoloid mix.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 12, 2011 21:59:27 GMT -5
^If it is indeed a mongoloid mix, the chances this eye-shape would be retained are very little. Since Mongoloid DNA would represent a minimal element in most cases.
I believe that epicanthic folds, almond-shaped eyes or any derivative of these features would be better described as a 'condition'. Most likely to shield the eyes from sun glare, sand, strong winds, snow, hail, etc.
If we take a deeper look into where these eyes predominate, we will see a common pattern in climate: year-round harsh weather conditions - sandstorms, snowstorms, fierce winds.
Mongoloids - living between the Arid, dry, Gobi desert, high-altitude unwelcoming tundra, and the windy steppe
Sarmatians - the Steppe
Capoids - Dwelling in the arid Namid and Khalahari deserts
Lapps - isolated in below-freezing climate to the north pole.
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