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Post by jimsa on Mar 15, 2008 8:55:25 GMT -5
oi arvanites tipota den tha paroun mazi tous mono autokinita tha afisoun piso kai kakomathimenes kopeles tha efeuga se pio omorfa meri me pio oraious antropous an ginotane tha taksideua
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Post by jimsa on Mar 15, 2008 8:59:01 GMT -5
pios asxolite me tous alvanous kai pou tous idate tous filoksenous arvanites kai ponopsixous olo se trapezes einai gia katathesi iparxoun kai kaloi arage ala den kseroun na zoun i zoi einai periergi kai mistiria
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Post by Duke John on Mar 15, 2008 9:32:47 GMT -5
Yes they are...and we shouldnt be hung up if albanians tells us that they were once ethnically albanian Most albanians like luma even admit that they are completely disconnected from albania. I dont see the issue... Its nothing to do with admiting or not, you make it sound like we lose something if we "admit". Like i said thous arvanites that feel ashamed of their origins and deny their ethnical roots are nothing in my eyes, but on the other hand if thous once ethnic arvanites have intermarryed with greeks then they are a mixed ethnicity and no more "ethnic" albanians like they once were, so it makes sence when you say that they take pride on hellenism and you see them as hellenes, as far as i have understood what is to be greek is that there is no actual greek ethnicity, being greek is to speak greek and to integrate into greek culture thats how you become hellen, but the albanian issue is very different, albanians go buy ethnicity or in other word, the blood, thats the big difference between albanians and greeks, you cant be albanian if you are not ethnically albanian but you can be greek if you take greek culture and greek language. The definiton of Greek/Hellen is a linguistical and cultural concept, but the definition of being Albanians is a clear Ethnical concept!. I do not know how much arvanites have intermarryed with greeks nor do i know their marrying habits, did they marry only arvanites as a tradition or did they just marryed with greeks?, thous arvanites that deny their roots are nothing more that assimilated but thous arvanites that are proud of their ethnical ancestry well if there are any, i really respect them. Here an interesting language comparision, in my eyes its just different dialects of Albanian language. Compared with Standard Tosk Albanian (second row), and Gheg Albanian (third row).Áti ýnë që jé ndë qiéjet, ushënjtëróft' émëri ýt. Ati ynë që je në qiell, u shënjtëroftë emri yt. Ati ynë që je në qiell, shejtnue kjoftë emni yt. Our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name árthtë mbëretëría jóte; ubëftë dashurími ýt, arthtë mbretëria jote; u bëftë dëshira jote, ardhtë mbretnia jote; u baftë vullnesa jote, thy kingdom come thy will be done si ndë qiél, edhé mbë dhét; si në qiell, edhe mbi dhe. si në qiell ashtu në dhe. on earth as it is in heaven búkënë tónë të përdítëshimen' ép-na néve sót; bukën tonë të përditëshme jepna neve sot; Bukën tonë të përditshme epna ne sot; give us this day our daily bread edhé fálj-na fájetë tóna, edhe falna fajet tona, e ndiejna ne fajet e mëkatet tona, and forgive us our trespasses sikúndrë edhé néve ua fáljmë fajtórëvet tánë; sikundër edhe ne ua falim fajtorëvet tanë; si i ndiejmë na fajtorët tanë; as we forgive those who trespass against us edhé mos na shtiér ndë ngásie, pó shpëtó-na nga i ljígu; edhe mos na shtjerë në ngasje, po shpëtona nga i ligu; e mos na len me ra në keq, por largona prej gjith së keq; and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil sepsé jótia është mbëretëría e fuqía e ljavdía ndë jétët të jétëvet. sepse jotja është mbretëria e fuqia e lavdia në jetët të jetëvet. sepse joteja âsht rregjinija e fuqia e lafti në jetët të jetëvet. for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever.What i see is that Arvanitika is just a dialect, and i understand it 100% with no kind of problems even i am from north(gheg)!.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 15, 2008 10:51:15 GMT -5
Our Arvanites are good people. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kastorianos on Mar 15, 2008 13:35:31 GMT -5
Re jimsa ti mourmoura einai auti, gia pes mas tora ksekathara ti sou kanan oi dikoi sou ...ap'tin Andro eisai?
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 15, 2008 13:58:56 GMT -5
Pes tou kati re Kastor....
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Post by atlantis on Mar 15, 2008 14:03:09 GMT -5
Re jimsa ti mourmoura einai auti, gia pes mas tora ksekathara ti sou kanan oi dikoi sou ...ap'tin Andro eisai? speak english not gipsy......
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 15, 2008 14:41:21 GMT -5
Atlantis are you as a lowly Albanian calling Greek a gyspy language...?I think you are cruising for a bruising..
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Post by Kassandros on Mar 15, 2008 15:13:30 GMT -5
atlantis.... that language is in the neighborhood around 5000 years. Its not our fault you were close in your Hotza's big prison and you cant understand.. Dont be jealous... your children will speak it....and most propably they will finish school too.
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Post by leandros nikon on Mar 15, 2008 16:50:44 GMT -5
Our Arvanites will be the bait or lets say-in an polite manner-the catalyst which will lead to the easier assimilation of the albanian immigrants.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 16, 2008 21:57:48 GMT -5
Atlantis are you as a lowly Albanian calling Greek a gyspy language...?I think you are cruising for a bruising.. Sorry man ....................Ididn't know that was greek........one suggestion ............ learn some literature figure like comparison ,alliteration,assonance , etc.
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Post by grksdied4you on Mar 16, 2008 22:05:37 GMT -5
Atlantis, shhhh....
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Post by atlantis on Mar 16, 2008 22:11:49 GMT -5
atlantis.... that language is in the neighborhood around 5000 years. Its not our fault you were close in your Hotza's big prison and you cant understand.. Dont be jealous... your children will speak it....and most propably they will finish school too. Maybe ,you could be wright ............I don’t know .........could be different.... Balkan Peninsula could learned the real antic language ....who knows ....now, I’m working on enlish with your help......I’m not jealous, I just have the right to say ........the real race of Balkan should speak and write not a phoneticians Egyptian language but their own.. a Europian one from etruschian -pelasgian λλυριοὺς Ἕλληνες ἡγοῦνται τοὺς ὑπέρ τε Μακεδονίαν καὶ Θρᾴκην ἀπὸ Χαόνων καὶ Θεσπρωτῶν ἐπὶ ποταμὸν Ἴστρον transliterated Illurious Hellenes hegountai tous huper te Makedonian kai Thraiken apo Khaonon kai Thesproton epi potamon Istron translated the Greeks call those people Illyrians who occupy the region beyond Macedonia and Thrace from Chaonia and Thesprotia to the river Ister word by word Illurious--- Illyrians masc acc pl Hellenes--- the Greeks masc nom pl hêgeomai ---to go before, lead the way ho--- the, that huper--- over, above, w. gen, over, beyond, w. acc. te--- and Makedon--- a Macedonian kai--- and Thraike--- Thrace apo--- from, away from. c. gen. Khaonon-- of Chaonians masc gen pl kai--- and Thesproton--- masc gen pl epi--- on, upon with gen., dat., and acc. potamos--- a river, stream Istron--- Danube fem acc sg whoever knows modern greek can easily understand that sentence order is very different from ancient greek
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Post by atlantis on Mar 16, 2008 22:14:19 GMT -5
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 16, 2008 22:14:27 GMT -5
I don't know too much Greek and I even can read it.
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Post by atlantis on Mar 23, 2008 11:47:00 GMT -5
Our Arvanites will be the bait or lets say-in an polite manner-the catalyst which will lead to the easier assimilation of the albanian immigrants. I'll bet soon Athina will speak only albanian longuage .....
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Post by Arxileas on Mar 23, 2008 12:18:43 GMT -5
A recycled garbage topic from albania .com
http://www.albanian.com/community/vbl/showthread.php?t=15205
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