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Post by terroreign on Feb 18, 2011 13:52:18 GMT -5
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 1:38:51 GMT -5
Bjelopavlici stems from Lek Dukagjini they were Albanian no Serb or Greek.
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 1:41:00 GMT -5
The Duakas and Dukagjini are two different things dont mix them up.
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 1:46:15 GMT -5
Why is he waring that turban thing isnt that a turk thing.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 24, 2011 1:49:02 GMT -5
Dukagjini were Serb Vlachs stemmed from a Byzantine Greek dynasty of the 11th century...they weren't shqiptars jonleka. Nice try though.
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 12:09:52 GMT -5
ok budy whatever pleases you, but if you are searching for the truth you know what it is. Since you gave a link to wikipedia maybe you should type Lek Dukagjini and se what comes up. Kanuni i Lek Dukagjinit was Serb and Greek to the core as you might know.
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 12:25:24 GMT -5
I am sure Gjin was a very common Serb name.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 24, 2011 13:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 18:25:27 GMT -5
What does Micheal mean you crna gorac you. Eugen is Greek but Gjin is not, Alexander is Greek but Leka is not Gjin bou Shpata rings a bell. Most are christian names but we Albanian use our one version you get it crna gorac.
As I said find me a serb named Gjin than we can talk.
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Post by terroreign on Feb 24, 2011 18:36:26 GMT -5
It's just historical revisionism...for example: Markë Poli...Albanian explorer who traveled the silk road in the 14th century...
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Post by jonleka on Feb 24, 2011 19:43:10 GMT -5
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 25, 2011 1:24:47 GMT -5
Assessment ingeniously done by Krivo regarding Bjelopavlici (which is my tribe btw Krivo and not Zecani )
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 25, 2011 2:02:05 GMT -5
More on one of the Doukas Theodore Komnenos Doukas
Theodore Komnenos Doukas (or Theodore Comnenus Ducas) (Greek: Θεόδωρος Κομνηνός Δούκας, Theodōros Komnēnos Doukas) (died c. 1253) was ruler of Epirus from 1215 to 1230 and of Thessalonica from 1224 to 1230.
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Initially in the service of Theodore I Laskaris of Nicaea, Theodore joined his half-brother Michael I in Epirus in c. 1210. When Michael was murdered, Theodore took his place and embarked on a policy of aggressive expansion after allying himself with Serbia and the Albanian clans. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Komnenos_DoukasHis mothers last name is Doukaina which does not sound that different from Dukadjin. Interesting: Greek last name Douklia (pronounced Duklia) sounds very simular to Duklja (which is almost also pronounced as Duklia)
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Post by toskaliku on Feb 25, 2011 2:30:47 GMT -5
Dukagjin means Duke John... Dukania simply comes from Duke. If you knew either Latin or Greek you would know, but you don't. Please don't speak on issues of language when you can't speak any of the languages in question. It insults those who do...
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Post by jonleka on Feb 25, 2011 3:09:53 GMT -5
Yeah I bet, It suites your HELLENIC ideas, but guess what they were as Geg as thy can get so live with it.
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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 25, 2011 13:47:56 GMT -5
Paul the White was a Shqiptar. Have a nice day.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 25, 2011 16:32:46 GMT -5
"Because of religious ties of the Albanian majority of the population with the ruling Ottomans and the lack of an Albanian state in past, nationalism was less developed among Albanians in the 19th century than among other southeast European nations. Only from the 1870s and onwards did a movement of ‘national awakening‘ (rilindja) evolve among them - greatly delayed, compared to Greeks, Serbs.[1]" 1^ a b Karl Kaser, Frank Kressing. Albania – A country in transition Aspects of changing identities in a south-east European country. Baden-Baden: Nomos-Verlag Extracts, 2002, p. 1 5 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_national_awakening#Rise_of_Albanian_NationalismSo until late 1800s Albanians don't even exist as an identity. Therefore centuries earlier could not have been different. "Even after Albania became independent in 1912, Albanian national identity was fragmented and possible non-existent in much of the new country.[38]"
38^ a b c d Tara Ashley O' Brien. Manufacturing Homogeneity in the Modern Albanian Nation-Building Project. University of Budapest, 2008, p. 4-5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians#Albanian_national_awakening
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Post by jonleka on Feb 25, 2011 18:30:52 GMT -5
Dukagjinis Serb, Gjergj Kastrioti Serb, Arianiti Greek and the list goes on, my question is do you guys have a limit? by they way there was a reason why they were called Albanese,Arnaut,Arbanas,Arvanit.
Just because your forefathers adopted the slavic languge and identify with slavs now days does not mean all Albanians were slavs, there is plenty of Dukagjinis, Kastriotis and others that still speak Albanian today in fact more numeros than Montenegros poplation.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Feb 25, 2011 19:24:51 GMT -5
That is just it Jonleka, there was no identity but a term to denote the geographic location no different then say Hercegovinian, Dalmatian or Bosnian. The identity in question is 100 or so years old.
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Post by jonleka on Feb 25, 2011 21:10:02 GMT -5
Well of course they had Identity, you are telling me that an Albanian had no Idea that he was Albanian and couldn't tell the difference from a Slav I say bullocks. Language,culture,traditions separated people. It was not a Geographic term because lets say Albanians in kosova were still called by Slavs Arbanas and not Kosovars. Serbs no matter were they went they were still called Serbs so your theory fails.
Your forefathers were assimilated due to several circumstances not because they just woke up one day and started speaking/feeling Slav.
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