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Post by plisbardhi on Feb 28, 2011 21:37:55 GMT -5
^Your in the same boat with Admin. Just because you want something to be history doesn't make it so.
There is no connection between the Doukas and the Dukagjini, it would have been noted and it would be too huge to overlook. And Eugeanios Doukas would theoretically most likely be Gjinduka in Alb if anything. Your claims, as are Admin's, are unsupported and infantile.
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Post by emer on Feb 28, 2011 21:39:35 GMT -5
Krivo, just because Greeks and Serbs have a common enemy and are friends because of that common enemy it does not make them the same, they're different people. They are seperate entitities, even if they were of nobility I'm sure you know how inheritance worked in the past, property was the main reason why infidelity was not encouraged. Lol And what is vlach? That's like saying gypsy, these people adapt.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 1, 2011 1:48:09 GMT -5
plis, if you can refute something just because it lacks historical documentation than I guess Kanaris is really right in saying you weren't in the Balkans before 1250...
Show me support claiming that Gjin or Leka have albanian etymological root, until then we're speaking of Greeks and Serbs who simply speak Albanian. It's nothing new under the sun, in fact we know we supply you with all of your greatest heroes.
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Post by plisbardhi on Mar 1, 2011 13:21:38 GMT -5
Thats the problem with uneducated and biased seljaks like you and Admin, you pick and choose what can possibly support your view and leave everything else out.
Gjin and Lek are very old Alb dimunitives for originally non-Albanian names. They are wide-spread among Albs, especially Ghegs and Labs. If I name my sons Gjin and Lek, common Alb names now as well as in the middle ages (two among the most early Alb names recorded), they don't automatically become Serbs or Greeks you dumbass. Now go read a book.
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Post by emer on Mar 1, 2011 15:55:26 GMT -5
plis, if you can refute something just because it lacks historical documentation than I guess Kanaris is really right in saying you weren't in the Balkans before 1250... Show me support claiming that Gjin or Leka have albanian etymological root, until then we're speaking of Greeks and Serbs who simply speak Albanian. It's nothing new under the sun, in fact we know we supply you with all of your greatest heroes. You want support? Nothing Greek or Serb Vlach or whatever about the following two, named appropriately Gjin and Leka. Pure mountain Albanians. Case study 1 (Gjini) Case study 2 (Lek) The A has been shortened in this case.
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Post by EriTopSheqeri on Mar 1, 2011 16:36:55 GMT -5
OMFG!!!
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Post by terroreign on Mar 1, 2011 18:14:21 GMT -5
Name me a gjin older than dukagjin or a leka older than lek dukagjin and you have a point, without that you're just fakers adopting other nations peoples as genuinely yours.
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Post by jonleka on Mar 1, 2011 19:48:20 GMT -5
Gjin bou shpata and as for leka why dont you find a serb named leka in middle ages than we can talk, by the way even Arvanitis had names like lekas.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 2, 2011 1:25:38 GMT -5
^Gjin Shpata was in the 14th century, later than the Dukagjin's.
Leka has always been a short form of Aleksandar, which is greek in origin. And yeah, it's present among Serbs nothing strange about it. What you think you fools are the only ones who can come up with nicknames?
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Post by emer on Mar 2, 2011 3:09:55 GMT -5
^Stfu, no one has to explain anything to you. Everything has its roots in Greek or Latin
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Post by zoti on Mar 2, 2011 12:18:11 GMT -5
If in 100 years we Albanophones have managed to create a nation of 8 million and two states out of nothing I think that bodes very very well for our future.
Albanian Federation, modern day Illyricum will once again become a reality. Aadmin, Krivo and Patrino we won't hold the backstabbing against you. We will welocme you with open hearts. I give you my BESA Shqipe.
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Post by jonleka on Mar 2, 2011 19:35:26 GMT -5
Gjin Bua Shpata died in 1399, Lek Dukagjini was born in 1410. Krivo convice us that Leka is short for Alexander in Serbian or name a notable Serb named Leka during middle ages or even now for that matter otherwise bugger off.
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Post by jonleka on Mar 2, 2011 19:53:38 GMT -5
I forgot to mention Gjin Progoni.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 3, 2011 15:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by jonleka on Mar 3, 2011 20:54:57 GMT -5
Ok buddy think logically Leka amongst Serbs can only be found in Montenegro as you mentioned your tribe which has roots in the Albanian ones. Leka is wide spread amongst Albanians Tosk and Geg even Arvanitis carried the name, so if you think that Montenegrin influenced all Albanians then you are just having a wet dream.
Duka Gjini why he is Albanian, during middle ages he was quite a strong prince but was over shadowed by Gjergj Kastrioti so outside sources rarely mentioned him except few Venetian ones, so you Serbs no nothing about him. His legacy did not live thru Serbs or Greeks but Albanians remembered him like a god. Albanians kept his code which survives to this day. Just like you Serbs remember Car Dushan.
The region Serbs call Metohija by Albanians is called Dukagjin, no other Albanian prince is remembered they way Leka is.
Trying to make him a Serb or Greek is pathetic.
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Post by terroreign on Mar 4, 2011 17:12:08 GMT -5
^ Never said one influenced another, Leka is just another way of shortening Greek Alexander, common among Serbs and Albanians, Skander is Turkish, you have that too right? Right..
Anywho Lek Dukagjini is Albanian like I said, just not shqiptar, he is of Greek-Vlach origins. & remember we don't celebrate these countrymen of ours, not because they aren't ours...but because they're hardly significant compared to the extensive amount of Heroes we have.
Peace out propogandist! : )
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Post by jonleka on Mar 4, 2011 20:02:56 GMT -5
Anywho Lek Dukagjini is Albanian like I said, just not shqiptar, he is of Greek-Vlach origins. What does that mean I do not understand. Country men of yours get a fuck out a here
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Post by uz on Mar 4, 2011 20:09:45 GMT -5
To the genius above: Vlach-Greeks are NOT Albanian.
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Post by jonleka on Mar 4, 2011 20:51:05 GMT -5
no shit smart arss
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Post by uz on Mar 4, 2011 20:52:16 GMT -5
lol touchy kid over here.
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