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Post by toskaliku on Mar 7, 2011 14:58:16 GMT -5
Ejvallah Shqipe!
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Post by zoti on Mar 7, 2011 16:55:29 GMT -5
Will you teach me what Greek society is experiencing the last 20 years...? Sure if you pay me for 20 years I'll throw another 180 years for free. Btw the members of the known gang that killed the young guys, 3 were Rossopontians( a general term for those who gained citizenship claiming Pontian heritage, most of the aren't real Pontians but Russo-Georgians...) and the 4rth member is Alvanos... Not surprising at all. You know what's not surprising you guys claiming these guys as Greeks knowing full well they're not. Of course the moment they commit a crime you denounce them as not Greek. I met in college a Georgian who was a naturalized Greek because he was a wrestler and the Greeks wanted him to represent them in the Olympics. He asked me once if Pirro Dhima was really a Greek and I told him he's as Greek as much as you are one and he gave me a mischievious smile. He knew it, I knew it and apperently you know it too. The pillar of what the Greek nation is built on is just one big lie. And how do you know the Alvanos is not "Greek" too? Don't you guys claim half of Albanian as Greek too? So there's a 50% chance he's a malaka just like you.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 7, 2011 17:34:55 GMT -5
We usually call them Greek...but we really know when they're not...by the stench their bodies emit as they walk on by.
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Post by Hellenas on Mar 7, 2011 17:57:52 GMT -5
The pillar of what the Greek nation is built on is just one big lie. Wrong.Carleton S. Coon(Anthropologist):The modern inhabitants of Greece itself differ surprisingly little from their classical predecessors.carnby.altervista.org/troe/05-04.htmIt is inaccurate to say that the modern Greeks are different physically from the ancient Greeks; such a statement is based on an ignorance of the Greek ethnic character. It is my personal reaction to the living Greeks that their continuity with their ancestors of the ancient world is remarkable, rather than the opposite.carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-14.htmArvanites anthropologically Hellenes. In anthropological studies of Theodoros K. Pizziou, the Aegean population Arvanites are different morphologically and to their characters compared with the Albanians. It states: "The examination of these groups (Arvanitofonon), one in Messenia, one and two in Argolis Korinthia showed that in no way stand out from the total population of the Peloponnese or from neighboring groups. In any of the ninety maps features designed not resemble each other more than with their neighboring geographical groups. Also, the statistical dendrogrammata, simultaneous comparison of several features not arvanitofones groups separated from the rest of the Peloponnese. This research shows that the Arvanites were only Hellenes.As you can see to this video, most of Arvanites are of Mediterranean racial stock. www.an-attiki.gr/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=787&Itemid=103
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Post by zoti on Mar 7, 2011 18:16:17 GMT -5
We usually call them Greek...but we really know when they're not...by the stench their bodies emit as they walk on by. Greece must be one smelly place then. Hellenas don't botther posting links I can do the same and post links from Greek authors to prove my point but you'll call them traitors or leftists. You'll believe what you want to believe no matter what I tell you.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 7, 2011 18:51:46 GMT -5
You Zoti of all people shouldn't be talking at all.... you should be staying mum in threads like these..... You don't look albanian and thats a plus IMO... your'e one of us mutts..... ;D
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 8, 2011 0:13:25 GMT -5
We usually call them Greek...but we really know when they're not...by the stench their bodies emit as they walk on by. I can picture this, Kanaris as modern day Diogenes, going around Athens with his lamp and sniffing out for an honest greek ;D Attachments:
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Post by Hellenas on Mar 8, 2011 4:35:44 GMT -5
Hellenas don't botther posting links I can do the same and post links from Greek authors to prove my point but you'll call them traitors or leftists. You'll believe what you want to believe no matter what I tell you. It's not like that, I post scientists not just links and you are free to post too, even if I think that there are some traitors-leftists over here, there also are patriot leftists like the Paleoanthropologist/Anthropologist Aris poulianos, for an example, who during World War II fought as a member of ELAS from 1942 up until 1943. During the Greek Civil War, he fought on the side of the DSE from 1948 up until 1949. Anyway, I don't think there are any scientists who say something opposite of what I say.
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Post by bato2 on Mar 8, 2011 6:05:35 GMT -5
Condolences to the policemen....Hope the criminals will bee behind bars soon
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Post by zoti on Mar 8, 2011 9:44:03 GMT -5
You Zoti of all people shouldn't be talking at all.... you should be staying mum in threads like these..... You don't look albanian and thats a plus IMO... your'e one of us mutts..... ;D I don't look like you you red headed freak I look "Greek" to you because you mistake the Arvaniti look for Greek. Remember when you guys gained your independece from the Turks, Albanians were found throghout Greece and janina was one of our capitals. And chances are you brother is Albanian too Hellenas this is a map of Pelopones circa 1890. Albanian parts in red: Here's a description about Plaka in Athens: Travellers in the 19th century were unanimous in identifying Plaka as a heavily " Albanian" quarter of Athens. John Cam Hobhouse, writing in 1810, quoted in John Freely, Strolling through Athens, p. 247: "The number of houses in Athens is supposed to be between twelve and thirteen hundred; of which about four hundred are inhabited by the Turks, the remainder by the Greeks and Albanians, the latter of whom occupy above three hundred houses." Eyre Evans Crowe, The Greek and the Turk; or, Powers and prospects in the Levant, 1853: "The cultivators of the plain live at the foot of the Acropolis, occupying what is called the Albanian quarter..." (p. 99); Edmond About, Greece and the Greeks of the Present Day, Edinburgh, 1855 (translation of La Grèce contemporaine, 1854): " Athens, twenty-five years ago, was only an Albanian village. The Albanians formed, and still form, almost the whole of the population of Attica; and within three leagues of the capital, villages are to be found where Greek is hardly understood." (p. 32); " The Albanians form about one-fourth of the population of the country; they are in majority in Attica, in Arcadia, and in Hydra...." (p. 50); "The Turkish [sic] village which formerly clustered round the base of the Acropolis has not disappeared: it forms a whole quarter of the town.... An immense majority of the population of this quarter is composed of Albanians." (p. 160)
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 8, 2011 12:38:01 GMT -5
Listen Joachim.... the only reason Albanians were there is because the Turks planted you there.... there were hundreds of thousands of Greeks transplanted elsewhere and replaced with Albanians.Don't you find it funny that before 1200 there was absolutely no Albanians anywhere in the balkans... no history of them then all of a sudden you got Georgi Kastrioiti .. an Albanian hero with a Greek name... how strange..then the next hero Ali Pasha.... it is clearly known that our lands were polluted with your kind.Arvanites are clearly Greek... no matter what you say...
Just keep in mind that your are an Albanian and me and you can live in harmony ...you are not fit to call yourself an Arvaniti even though we think lowly of them...
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Post by atdhetari on Mar 8, 2011 12:51:58 GMT -5
how did the turks plant us there if you are saying we were there in the 12 hundreds?
gjergj kastrioti was never regarded as a greek nor did he ever claim he was such
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Post by zoti on Mar 8, 2011 12:57:59 GMT -5
Listen Joachim.... the only reason Albanians were there is because the Turks planted you there.... Just keep in mind that your are an Albanian and me and you can live in harmony ...you are not fit to call yourself an Arvaniti even though we think lowly of them... Hey Conan how can the Turks have planted us there in 1250 when they came to Balkans in the late XIV century (that's 14th centory for you). you are not fit to call yourself an Arvaniti even though we think lowly of them... I am not calling myself an Arvaniti I am just saying that Arvanitis were Albanian at one time. I don't care much for them now.
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 8, 2011 13:05:37 GMT -5
The Seljuk Turks came in and around 1060 ad....
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Post by atdhetari on Mar 8, 2011 13:14:15 GMT -5
yea? came by boat did they? completely avoided greece or sorrounding countries
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Post by Kanaris on Mar 8, 2011 13:38:11 GMT -5
Why would they need a boat? The turks didn't need any boats.... you are here the same way the Roma are here....
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Post by atdhetari on Mar 8, 2011 13:48:05 GMT -5
certainly, it is hard to argue with such incisive knowledge,
have you a theory as to why do we not speak a turkish dialect or a language that resembles turkish?
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Post by kijgol on Mar 8, 2011 14:10:57 GMT -5
Kanaris view of history is laughable. I'm no historian, but I know some of it (I guess all Balkanians know their own version of history), but I would never preach to others about it. I usually don't speak about things I know nothing about. Kanaris posts vague sentences and one liners. He's pretty much what teh internetz would refer to as a "troll."
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Post by rex362 on Mar 8, 2011 14:18:03 GMT -5
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Post by Hellenas on Mar 8, 2011 14:24:40 GMT -5
I don't look like you you red headed freak I look "Greek" to you because you mistake the Arvaniti look for Greek. Remember when you guys gained your independece from the Turks, Albanians were found throghout Greece and janina was one of our capitals. And chances are you brother is Albanian too Wrong. Hioannina was the capital of the Greek Epirotes not of Albanians(we all know that you want to steal territories from Hellas). When Albanians look like Hellenes it's because you have Albanize many Greek Epirotes as well. Carleton S. Coon:A tall, dolichocephalic or mesocephalic type with dark hair and dark brown eyes, a straight nasal profile, and a tendency toward a lesser leptorrhiny than the total group. This is an Atlanto-Mediterranean racial type which is also prevalent in other Balkan countries. It may also be sorted out of available statistical series of Greeks, while it is common in Bulgaria and easily distinguishable among Serbs. It, or a similar type, also occurs with Dinarics in northern Italy and the Tyrol. In northern Albania it is commonest in Malsia Jakovλs and Dukagin.carnby.altervista.org/troe/12-13.htmWrong.The red parts don't show "albanians" but Helleno-Arvanites who racially are not "albanians", anyway here are the numbers which follow this map: ARVANITESPosted by Patrinos:To clear some things about Arvanites, their population and role in the Revolution. I'll use the sourses by this greek blog,translated via google,and me. kleftouria.blogspot.com/About the population: Let us therefore begin with the question of population Arvaniton especially the 19th century when the language was spoken almost universally by Greeks with Arvanitic origin wand was easier to "discrimination", starting, not only to the generally accepted and comprehensive book K. Biris "Arvanites, the Dorians the younger Greeks, the history of Greek Arvaniton. Biris (Arvanitis himself) in the capital of the demographic review highlights the big mistake of those foreign (consuls, travelers) dealt with this issue which unscientificaly easily identified the mixture of the indigenous paroikous Arvanites were now bilingual as Albanians. ( 1) Let's see what Johann Georg von Hahn wrote (Albaneische Studien, 1854) considered the father of alvanology and lived in Greece more than 20 years since 1843 as in 1869 he served successively as consul of Austria in Ioannina, Syros and finally in Athens as Consul General.. The table listed in the above book states in place of the population of Arvanites in Greece and ends in total 173,000 Arvanites when Greece was in accordance with the population census in 1856 1,096,810. But Hahn in his foreword, which he wrote afterwards refers to his mistake he did in his list when he said about 10.000 Arvanites in Spercheios area and another 5.000 in Phocis, where as Mpiris admits(2), never existed! He also writes in the foreword that many questioned his counts like Finlay(he've written about the Revolution and not only) who counted the Arvanites 100.000(3) even if strangely in his book(4) he raises the number to 200.000 with out analysing the distribution. Accepting Hahn's writings as worthy being an albanologist and living in Greece so many years the number of Arvanites after his corrections is 158.000 which is about 14% of the population of the free Greece of 1854(Peloponnesus,Sterea Ellas,and Cycladic islands). Analytically Hahn writes: 55.000 Arvanites in Attica and Boetoia(plus Salamina) in total population of 116.021. In south Euvoia 25.000 Arvanites in 72.368 total population in the island. In northern Andros(5) 6000 Arvanites in total amount of citizens 19.376. In Argolis and in the islands of Argosaronic(Ydra,Spetses,Poros) he mention 47.000 Arvanites in total amount of 75.501 citizens of which the monolingual Hellenophones are found mainly west and north of Argos and in the two centers Argos and Nauplion. Also he refers to the 15.000 Arvanites in Achaia and Korinthia in total population of 129.000. Those in Achaia live mainly in the so called Arvanitohoria or Zoubatohoria in the western Panachaikos and some villages in Dymis and Fares municipalities. In Korinthia the language exists in the eastern part and in the area of today Sykion municipality. For the rest Peloponnesus he mention with questionmark 10.000 Arvanites who are located in small group of villages like these of the Soulimohoria Messinias(the Ntredhes), in the area of Zaraka in Lakonia, and in some villages in Hraia municipality in Arcadia(Paloumba etc) Mpiris also mention and with Alfred Philippson(Swedish) who travelled in Peloponnesus in 1889 writing the «Zur Ethnographie des Peloponnes ,Pettersmans Mitteilungen»,1890. This researcher(who studied the ethnography of Greece,and especially Peloponnesus) counted the number of Arvanites in Peloponnisos and in the islands of Argosaronikos 90,253 in a total population of the area 730.000, meaning 12% of the whole area, and 9.5 of Peloponnesians. He also counts the total population of Arvanites in Greece of 1889(that is Greece with out Macedonia,Thrace,Crete and Dodecanese,and of course with out the Greek of Minor Asia and Pontos!). in the number of 224.000 when the population of free Greece was 2.187.208,that means 10% of the population were Arvanites. In the same year a Patrinos doctor H.P. Koryllos wrote the "Ethnographia tis Peloponnesou,Patra,1890) after traveling throughout Peloponnesos and collected information having in mind opinions of mayor and parliamentals he reached in the conclusion that the number of Arvanites in Peloponnesos and the Argosaronic islands was 71.037(50.352 for Peloponnesos and 20.685 for the islands) that means in a total population of that area of 730.000 Arvanites make the 9.5% and for Peloponnesos the 7%. Also the national British "Handbook of Greece,1918,Naval Staff-Intelligence Division,p.72) analysing Greece's ethnography says that Arvanites are not more than the 8.5% of the population of the Greek state.upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Pelopones_ethnic.JPG
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