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Post by uz on Mar 4, 2011 17:26:52 GMT -5
LONDON (Reuters Life!) – Britain on Thursday released 35 previously classified files documenting sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) by the military and members of the public dating back to the 1950s.
The files contain around 8,500 pages which mainly cover the period from 1997 to 2005 and include photographs, drawings and descriptions of flying saucer sightings, as well as letters the Ministry of Defense (MoD) sent eyewitnesses in response to their accounts.
Policemen, a soldier, a Royal Air Force (RAF) officer and members of the public report sightings of objects including a "chewy mint shaped solid craft" and aerial objects resembling a "ring," a "jellyfish" and a "silver voile spin top."
In one account a man said he believed he had been "abducted" by aliens in October 1998 after seeing an unidentified craft hover over his London home and finding he had gained an hour of time in the process.
"It was a large cigar-shaped vehicle with big projectiles on each side like wings," he told the MoD.
"It seemed to have two very bright lights at the front and a white light flashing round and round underneath... As you can imagine, I felt quite shaken."
The MoD wrote to the man informing him that the object was probably an airship, adding that the time he had gained was probably the result of the clocks being put back one hour on the night of his close encounter.
Another file released by the National Archives reveals how the RAF was inundated with calls one morning in 1967 after residents of southern England awoke to find six small beeping UFOs lying in a perfect line from the Isle of Sheppey to the Bristol Channel.
A bomb disposal unit blew up one of the UFOs, another was airlifted to the southeastern village of Aldermaston and both the army and the MoD's intelligence unit were mobilised for what was considered a real "alien invasion."
It was later discovered that engineering students at Farnborough Technical College had constructed and positioned the UFOs in a bid to raise money for charity.
"It does raise some questions about what really would happen if at any time in the future there was some kind of instant -- would we be prepared?" said David Clarke, author of "The UFO Files" and consultant to the National Archives' UFO project.
One of the files documents the experiences of a retired RAF officer who said he saw a UFO while on holiday in Sri Lanka in April 2004 and sent the MoD supporting photographs.
"I noticed a partial aura in the sky, a minute or so later there was a clap of thunder, then a short while later a ring like a doughnut appeared," he told the MoD, adding that he thought it was an "air burst."
In its reply the MoD suggested he contact the Sri Lankan government.
Other highlights include a UFO policy file from 1997 which reveals how the Ministry of Defense handled UFO reports and a file detailing the only full debate about UFOs ever to be held in Britain's House of Lords -- in January 1979.
The MoD said it investigated every UFO sighting report it received to determine "whether there is any evidence that the United Kingdom's airspace might have been compromised by hostile or unauthorized air activity."
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 5, 2011 3:49:36 GMT -5
Be afraid.
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 5, 2011 20:13:23 GMT -5
I cannot say with regard to the script. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as any man but I have to remind myself to be on guard against going overboard, precisely because I have a tendency to like them. Personally, I don't think the government is hiding anything, for the simple fact that I believe it could have not held on to the secret for too long.
I would be afraid of the confirmations of UFO sightings for two reasons. One is the immediate effect of finding out we are not alone in the Universe which would shake all our belief systems to the core and would let all the nutjobs out of the nutjar.
The other reason is the presence of aliens itself would be ambiguous at best and disastrously fatal at the extreme end. There is a kind of danger and lazy thinking in giving only two options when other alternatives might exist but the way I see it is that a race that can master inter stellar travel would have to be one of two things.
It would either have to be a race so morally and technologically advanced that it could not relate to a human mind in any meaningful way. Or it would have achieved its prowess based on super-slavery of its masses, by removing anything "human" from its endeavor to reach its energy-intensive goal.
Either way we would end up as cattle, only good for mass slaughter or inter-galactic slavery.
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 5, 2011 23:12:56 GMT -5
I "believe" in aliens, too.
It's not a rational belief, I have seen no evidence, nor do I think incontrovertible evidence exists, that says there are aliens out there. For me it's just a hunch, based on mathematical probability that in the vastness of space there just have to be other planets compatible with life and that life arose there.
When you look at the eagerness at which we exploit all the flora and fauna and degrade our environment, I would be more than afraid for the future of mankind if an alien race ever discovered us. The universe is an un-caring place, where species evolve through deadly competition, and the two modes of survival are the simplicity of bacteria, or the claws and fangs of the predator, everything else turns into fossil and is left scattered like dead soldiers in a battlefield. I shudder to think what horrors an alien race could unleash upon us.
Although, in my lighter moods, I think they have already passed through, turned us into effective slaves by giving us religion, stunting our growth, and left a "Keep Out" sign to any other invaders. Or maybe, I've watched too much sci-fi channel.
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 6, 2011 19:08:59 GMT -5
Talks like this is nothing new, it probably begun when the cave man first wondered "are we alone?"lol, o rlly? .... so easy a caveman can do it? I say the universe is an uncaring place because it has no built-in moral dimension. It's laws are neutral but implacable and do not suspend themselves in order to help the good or hinder the bad, no matter how extreme the evil. A person can die, a species can go extinct, a planet or a star can be wiped out of existence, and the only difference to the universe will be a slight flattening of its topography as the gravity concentration has altered. It doesn't care. The point about humanity toiling under the yoke of slavery at alien hands is extremely speculative. I usually only indulge in it in order to piss off religious idiots, a group for which I have an open dislike. In that scenario, I tell them that the book of genesis describes the story of the engineering of the human race by aliens, in order to "worship" them, a term whose real meaning is to "work" for them as obedient and grateful slaves. Your question of their timing can go either way. Maybe they are here maybe they are not, maybe they know we exist or maybe not. I think it's by far not guaranteed that an alien species would have stumbled upon us, since our earliest radio signals have only spread out in space only a 130 yrs or so, our tv waves and atomic radiation even less than that. So the point is that they would have to have been inside that 130 light yr bubble in order to become aware of us.
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 6, 2011 19:14:38 GMT -5
I forgot to say that the physical universe pits us in direct competition over limited resources and finite energy, a fact which has always ensured that competition becomes a matter of survival, a matter in which species spare no energy or brutality in order to secure themselves a few more eye blinks of geological time. Again, the universe is an uncaring place.
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Post by jonleka on Mar 6, 2011 21:09:03 GMT -5
What makes you guys think that if life exists out there it evolved different form us, or are way superior to us. I believe if they exist they would probably be very similar to us, maybe more technologically advanced.
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 7, 2011 0:43:52 GMT -5
What makes you guys think that if life exists out there it evolved different form us, or are way superior to us. I believe if they exist they would probably be very similar to us, maybe more technologically advanced. Ultimately, assuming life exists on other planets, there is no way for us to know how they would look like or how far along they are on the evolutionary and technological path. We are all in the blind here and just having fun guessing. But, think about this, even here on Earth we have so many varieties of life forms, you have the prokaroyte and eukaryote bacteria which have major differences, you have fish and squid, lizards and birds, trees and humans, all so very different. In that sense, life on other planets, under a different set of original starting conditions and different evolutionary pressures could end up being very different indeed. Plus evolution is an ongoing process with no purpose or endpoint in mind, so the dominant life form at any time could be who knows what, at one point here it was the dinosaurs, now it's us, but who knows when the cockroaches will take over from us. Uzi, We can understand and manipulate some of the natural laws, but unlike the law system, you cannot hire a physicist to freeze gravity when you are falling from a cliff to your death, volcanoes blow up, meteors strike, glaciers will crush everything on their path again, oceans will rise and fall, these things have always happened and will keep on happening as is the natural order of things. The universe will still be indifferent and cold. I understand natural death, but there are plenty of other deaths, like the robbery gone wrong that pierces the aorta, the car accident that spares your life but crushes the C4 vertebrae and leave a person a vegetable, these things happen and more and the universe doesn’t care, and often even people don’t. The ultimate act and proof of the universe not caring is the “heat death” of the universe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universeI don’t know who this “Icke dude” is but I always enjoy hearing these kinds of theories. Having that said, we are all on the fringes of reason here, or maybe we’ve already crossed into irrational territory, which is a good time to ground ourselves. I have already expressed that my “belief” is more of a statistical probability, but since generally people want you to commit to a fixed position, and I personally don’t like being wishy-washy about things, I crystallize that probability to a belief. Ultimately, all those examples you mentioned are hearsay and interpretation, one person sees an astronaut wearing a space suit and another sees pre-historic god with a sun-halo, which neither proves nor disproves anything. We just have to wait and see for solid evidence and in the meantime see what comes out of this. www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90038715?Scientist%20claims%20fossilized%20bacteria%20in%20meteorite%20is%20evidence%20Earth%20life%27s%20space%20origins
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Post by laughingriever on Mar 8, 2011 0:02:46 GMT -5
We may have the technology to predict many natural catastrophies, but we are very nearly powerless to control any of nature’s furies. Civilization is simply a luxury between the Ice Ages. What can we do the ice sheets start rolling up on us again, driving us to the equator like frightened cattle? What can anyone do when Yellowstone finally build up enough juice and decides to blow up, advance warning or not?
How good is our science when we can’t even say with certainty if there is a link between carbon emissions and global warming, or if there is even such a thing as global warming?
Even when it comes to relatively common events like hurricanes and earthquakes and we can see them coming, we can’t always escape their fury. You say it’s “cockpit error”, human fault, that the people in charge or incompetent and irresponsible, but that’s the thing; you cannot remove the human factor, with all its greed and stupidity, from the equation.
In the case of Haiti, we did unite globally – although very briefly – to help the people in need. But that kind of thing cannot last for too long. It’s just not the grain of the universe. We will always have the problem of finite resources, whether time, money or materiel. So basically the question is how do we divide those finite resources, when there isn’t enough to cover everybody all the time.
It seems to me like your answer to that question is a sort of primitive communism, where we all hold our resources and results of labor in common, and share it equally or on a need basis. (That’s if I understood your post correctly.) While that tends to work somewhat in times of large crisis when communities need to come together, I don’t think it works in the long run because it stifles the incentive for people to want to do better, to try harder to improve their personal lot in life.
In my opinion, you over-estimate people’s capability to live in “balance” with nature. People behave like bacteria, with a total happy unconcern for the exponential (growth function). Bacteria would grow to cover the entire surface of the planet in a few days, the only reason they don’t is that they run out of food (and other barriers). People will do the same thing until the food runs out. Again, just my opinion, not trying to knock you.
I think the “fake system” you are referring to is not only self-enforced but self-created and self-perpetuated, it is an expression of humanity even if at its lowest common denominator. I would not simply blame it on the elites because almost any of us would do the same in their place. In order for the system to change in any meaningful way, humanity as a whole has to re-align itself along other purposes, a transformation which I do not think will happen in the near future.
I know I am not painting a rosy picture of humanity, but I think the assessment is realist and I remain an optimist.
And we have gone far off track from the original topic.
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Post by uz on Mar 8, 2011 0:23:17 GMT -5
Looking at what has been done to us as a species over thousands of years, you can't really be surprised of how we are today. The same techniques, and the same triggers have been used against us over and over again.
All it takes nowadays is for a man to snap his fingers, and a whole nation can go to war.
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 9, 2011 9:49:45 GMT -5
I found this video someone else posted in another thread interesting:
What do you guys think about it?
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 10, 2011 9:03:52 GMT -5
indeeeeed
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Post by uz on Mar 10, 2011 21:03:02 GMT -5
SKORIC; Dont know if you have seen this, but I think you should watch it.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 11, 2011 22:41:38 GMT -5
The Kuran says.... They will come from the above, from a place away from the sun, they will fly and shoot down smokeless fire they will kill many. I think smokeless fire = laser beams
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 11, 2011 22:49:56 GMT -5
Hopefully this will occur when I n my kids are nice n dead.
Don't wana witness that massacre or be slaughtered.
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Post by Dèsîŗĕ Yèarning on Mar 11, 2011 22:59:18 GMT -5
Well usually alien things creep me out, so Il watch it in daylight tomorrow. I don't judge.
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 13, 2011 3:39:19 GMT -5
If thats real then thats pretty cool yet sad for the alien (i wonder if it has emotions..?). Like the guy (the hollywood puppet/costume guy) said at the end of part 2 since its dark it makes me skeptical but even he said that the movements looked real and if it is a hoax then it was done real good.
I found the full doco of this too, i noticed the unknown guy that brought the video in said he wasnt there when the video was being shot (or that he didnt want to say if he was there or not to protect himself) but then later he described what was happening including the people there at the time. So he must have been there lol..
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 13, 2011 3:40:45 GMT -5
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Post by SKORIC on Mar 19, 2011 8:05:56 GMT -5
I found this video someone else posted in another thread interesting: What do you guys think about it?
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Post by uz on Mar 19, 2011 20:35:30 GMT -5
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