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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2011 18:45:04 GMT -5
* (Nationalists = basically highly emotional and thus at least somewhat volatile personalities)
I can practically guaranty that the most ardent so called nationalists on this site have at least onces either befriended someone from "opposing" side or been on very close terms with someone like that at some point. They have viewed opposite sex from such side with desire and approached them and might have easily dated them. Again I am talking of the so called nationalists here. People read what other so called nationalists read and get emotional and response while most of the time not meaning 10% of what they write lol
Balkan people as emotional as they are can say whatever they wont but if this thing is guided correctly and gradually this upcoming union is as much of a fact as sun rising up each day.
There is no way in hell the union is not coming ;D
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 18:54:24 GMT -5
Its the only rational thing.
Think about it; All cultures within the Balkans preach about Unity, and brotherhood. Why not take this concept outside the little box where it came from.
This Union would solve ALL the border issues that are present.
Why have borders at all? Can someone come up with a strong enough argument to counter this idea? Language and religion are all seconday. More than 60% of Albanians dont concider themsevles religious. Most Serbs I have spoken to feel the same. Greeks on the other-hand pretend to be religious, lol. Religion will never be a big issue in the Balkans, we are not the middle-east.
Languages? Simple, we all learn each others language. We become diverse, more open, and more educated. Put religion and language aside, WE ARE THE SAME.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2011 19:02:55 GMT -5
I agree on so many points.
Example, is calling any kind of Balkan people religious is at best laughable.
Language could easily become a non-issue since who knows what future will bring. Lets assume English becomes a dominant language in Europe and extensively used by future Balkanians as second language (especially when communicating between each other) then language becomes basically a non issue.
Lets take it further. If all future Balkanians start regarding ancient Greek heritage as also their own (while discounting localist nationalist crap) and if ancient Greek is thought in schools extensively then there goes another language that will even become unique to only us Balkanians, all of Balkanians.
Change one solitary variable and situation changes drastically!
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 5, 2011 19:15:42 GMT -5
I can easily imagine in the future 40-50 years from now some young Balkanian viewing with pity of some Balkanoid old timer who still thinks that another balkanian is something else
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Post by emer on Mar 5, 2011 19:32:56 GMT -5
* ( Nationalists = basically highly emotional and thus at least somewhat volatile personalities) I can practically guaranty that the most ardent so called nationalists on this site have at least onces either befriended someone from "opposing" side or been on very close terms with someone like that at some point. They have viewed opposite sex from such side with desire and approached them and might have easily dated them. Again I am talking of the so called nationalists here. People read what other so called nationalists read and get emotional and response while most of the time not meaning 10% of what they write lol Balkan people as emotional as they are can say whatever they wont but if this thing is guided correctly and gradually this upcoming union is as much of a fact as sun rising up each day. There is no way in hell the union is not coming ;D Not even close, I don't have a sick hatred for Greeks and Serbs and I'm not nationalist. I never had Greek or Serb friends nor have I ever been interested in any other way in such people(though I should say the Greeks I have met have been much nicer than Albanians but maybe because I met more Albanians) Just unions are stupid, if the balkans should unite why can't we invite the northern slavs and Russia?(This I actually wouldn't mind but Putin is kind of crazy) Why not central Europe? Why not the west? Why not the world? Let's all just call ourselves "human" from "earth" which is what we are, so what are the unions for? At least divisions make sense from a strictly realistic viewpoint.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 19:40:11 GMT -5
Humans from earth, I like that. I think the bottome line what he is talking about is regarding the root of nationalism. EMPEROR AADMIN - correct me if I am wrong. He is asking to concider the fact that, reading into the past (the wars, the hate, communism), doesn't do anything for us today. Great Serbia, Illyria, the Hellenic movement; There all talking about the same thing. Execept the fact that NATIONALISM entered the equation. It all of sudden became about conquering, expanding, oppressing and racism. This isn't what my ancestors fought and risked their lives for, how about yours?
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 19:46:20 GMT -5
Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Especially all this nationalist talk about bringing back Ancient Greece. Good point emer brought. Why stop in the Balkans? Maybe I want a union with Czech Republic. I got as much in common with Czech people as I have with Romanians. Why stop there?
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 19:49:32 GMT -5
I think the line has already been set to how far this Union should go.
In any case, why not czech? Its the Balkan Union, not EU.
The main point what I am trying to raise here is that WE the people of the Balkans all share the same troubles as our neighbour.
The Balkans alone is the richest region in Europe, speaking of natural resource, how many times does this need to be mentioned?
Either we have a union amongst ourselves, or we are always going to have colonialists/lobbyist taking from us what is ours and pulling strings to have us fight each other.
Conclusion being: More division.
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 21:00:41 GMT -5
@uz I admire your optimism.
Maybe there is going to be a historic reconciliation deal between Serbs & Albanians. Which might pave the wave for a second Balkan Union. Unimaginable right at this moment. But in such case we will know bosnia, montenegro, kosovo and macedonia will be on board right away. Since they are our kin, our little brother states. We might have to persuade the rest of balkan countries to join. I think it should be totally voluntarily. We should set some standards as well.
Do you think European Union will let a competitor in it's backyard? Nope, they want us in their union.
They will crush this project... unless this union comes with their blessing.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 21:20:30 GMT -5
And all the people are running for the EU. You think it's just a coincidence that the Balkans is the most unstable region in Europe? Not only do we hold most of Europes resources, but we are the gate-keepers between the East and West. Perfect advantage in trade. It makes perfect sense, why an island like England (for example) would like to disrupt any progress there. Just take a look at the power nations of Europe. Few of them, if any have resources available to feed there own. Italy is a prime example. They have very very limited resources, most of their food is IMPORTED.... italian cuisine???,,,, really? lol. According to wikipedia 80% !!! of the country's energy source is IMPORTED. No wonder they joined Hitler, thinking he was going to win. No wonder they gave into the EU, and NATO....Italy needs it. LEts take a look at germany; They barely have ANY raw materials. There is a reason why they had to master the crafts of machinery, aka BMW, BENZ. Planes and mechanics. The germans had no choice but to master the essense of a LABOUR FORCE and industrialization. Most of the country's export products are in engineering, especially in machinery, automobiles, chemical goods and metals These masters as some here like to call them, exist for a reason. They're masters because they cannot exist without the slaves. Make sense? Take a look at this link. I think everyone in the Balkans needs to concider this. www.bl-a.com/ECB/PDFFiles/GeoResBalkans.pdf
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Post by insomniac on Mar 5, 2011 21:40:23 GMT -5
We are the hub between west and middle-east/asia.
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Post by uz on Mar 5, 2011 22:37:09 GMT -5
"WE" - Is the key.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 6, 2011 14:55:07 GMT -5
Extremely well done assessment uz.
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Post by uz on Mar 6, 2011 15:17:41 GMT -5
Thanks Emperor aadmin.
We are all being played, like pawns in a chess-match, except that the King and Queen on both sides are together. And the point of the game is for the pawns to occupy themsevles by continueously fighting, and not really know why. (Without the pawns, the Kings and Queens have nothing, and they're existence, becomes purposeless).
Have you read the link, regarding geothermal energy in the Balkans? This eneergy alone, can supply the world if needed.
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 6, 2011 15:21:47 GMT -5
Too busy now to read it in detail but I have heard something about this from before.
PS: You are right about queens and kings and the whole thing.
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Post by uz on Mar 6, 2011 15:57:37 GMT -5
I think ancient greek should be taught to all balkanians for 1 specific reason.
Literature gets lost in translation, and they'rs golden knowledge in ancient greek literature.
The hisotry itself, isn't more important than anyone elses. I think all the peoples of the Balkans should have some knowledge of their "neighbours", and what their accomplishements are. Many great people, great minds, amazing ideas have come from the Balkans. And guess what? lol ... most of them have been exploited by western influences.
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Post by Caslav Klonimirovic on Mar 7, 2011 3:07:06 GMT -5
Why are we stopping at a Balkan Union? Why not just make a world union? Why don't we just have a single language, currency and everything else in the world and do away with the destructiveness of ethnicity?
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 7, 2011 11:50:22 GMT -5
If World Union was to even be achieved then it is still logical to do things step by step, first regional union and then wider one. If we are to have a say in such a Union we can not do so as dozens of worthless statelets but as a unified voice.
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Post by rex362 on Mar 7, 2011 12:27:52 GMT -5
World union ?
HAAAAA
only when Godzilla appears or when Star Ship Enterprise fly's above the heavens
now beam yourself out of here and live long and prosper
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Post by Emperor AAdmin on Mar 7, 2011 12:29:39 GMT -5
Thanks you rex for expressing your emotions regarding the topic.
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